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Cloud-Hopkins / Thurman-Zaveck Live Discussion Thread
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On Sky Sports 2 (HD) from 8pm (UK Time):
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21:00 - Lee Purdy vs Cosme Rivera
21:40 - George Groves vs Dario German Balmaceda
22:15 - Darren Barker vs Simone Rotolo
Times are estimates but that's the running order for the tv card.
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I had it 117-111 Hopkins, and I couldn't give Cloud a clear round, thought he could've won it by 118/119 easily, but I gave Cloud the benefit of the doubt in the first half and had it even. From 6 to 12, I had to score everything to Hopkins.
Great win for Hopkins, he can half a fight so easily. He can't fight twelve rounds, let's be honest, and he couldn't since probably the Calzaghe fight or even before, so he tries to reduce the amount of work with clinching, less output, and making his opponent do the hard graft and making him miss. It's an amazing gameplan for someone in their late 40s, and it keeps him relevant and has results. He beat Foreman's record twice over, in a few years he will be looked back on even fonder than he is now, it's an amazing accomplishment, it truly is.
But I'll say this, Bernard Hopkins has absolutely no chance in Welsh hell in beating Cleverly, none whatsoever. Cleverly has an absolute iron chin, his output rivals Calzaghe, he's got heart, he's got everything you need other than an experienced corner to win that fight. Hopkins obviously picks his opponents very well, and I suspect he looks at the corner as well as the fighter, because it was apparent from round 1 that Cloud's corner couldn't help him whatsoever. Cleverly does not need his corner to win that fight, he can simply outwork him, it's that simple. Hopkins is just not active enough to win that fight. Yes he can set traps, but he'll set two or three around to land a handful of combinations whereas Cleverly can outscore him by three or four times as much. It's a very easy fight for him and hopefully Hopkins won't take it. If anything, he should retire now, but it's apparent after that outburst he won't. Honestly, what else is there to prove? He's set records, his accomplishments and record speak for themselves, but he will never be the kingpin of any division. Fighters who will not break to his game can easily defeat him.
Just feel like I have so much to say about this fight. One thing that definitely comes to mind is that he didn't need to do all that shit. I mean I love B-Hop and I love him staring down press row, but you've just made history, this doesn't need to be about Don King or Andre Ward. Celebrate your win. It's kinda like he didn't give a fuck about setting an amazing record, compared to the Jean Pascal record in Canada. It just seemed a bit weird and overshadowed the exact result. This is one of those fights where you DON'T look to the future and who he can fight next, but rather celebrate the win for as long as its fresh in the memory, because it's an amazing achievement.
Great win for Hopkins, he can half a fight so easily. He can't fight twelve rounds, let's be honest, and he couldn't since probably the Calzaghe fight or even before, so he tries to reduce the amount of work with clinching, less output, and making his opponent do the hard graft and making him miss. It's an amazing gameplan for someone in their late 40s, and it keeps him relevant and has results. He beat Foreman's record twice over, in a few years he will be looked back on even fonder than he is now, it's an amazing accomplishment, it truly is.
But I'll say this, Bernard Hopkins has absolutely no chance in Welsh hell in beating Cleverly, none whatsoever. Cleverly has an absolute iron chin, his output rivals Calzaghe, he's got heart, he's got everything you need other than an experienced corner to win that fight. Hopkins obviously picks his opponents very well, and I suspect he looks at the corner as well as the fighter, because it was apparent from round 1 that Cloud's corner couldn't help him whatsoever. Cleverly does not need his corner to win that fight, he can simply outwork him, it's that simple. Hopkins is just not active enough to win that fight. Yes he can set traps, but he'll set two or three around to land a handful of combinations whereas Cleverly can outscore him by three or four times as much. It's a very easy fight for him and hopefully Hopkins won't take it. If anything, he should retire now, but it's apparent after that outburst he won't. Honestly, what else is there to prove? He's set records, his accomplishments and record speak for themselves, but he will never be the kingpin of any division. Fighters who will not break to his game can easily defeat him.
Just feel like I have so much to say about this fight. One thing that definitely comes to mind is that he didn't need to do all that shit. I mean I love B-Hop and I love him staring down press row, but you've just made history, this doesn't need to be about Don King or Andre Ward. Celebrate your win. It's kinda like he didn't give a fuck about setting an amazing record, compared to the Jean Pascal record in Canada. It just seemed a bit weird and overshadowed the exact result. This is one of those fights where you DON'T look to the future and who he can fight next, but rather celebrate the win for as long as its fresh in the memory, because it's an amazing achievement.
that's weak. he beat pascal, he beat cloud tonight in fairly easy fashion. what in world make you think he can't beat cleverly?
The stuff that I just said.
At the end of the day, styles make fights bruv, it is what it is.
At the end of the day, styles make fights bruv, it is what it is.
you know you're totally backwards on this. cloud was supposed to do that tonight. he's done this against fighters that were better than cleverly. the reason cloud couldn't do it, was because he was countered cleanly. hopkins held him in check and fought him even when cloud was able to open up...
against fighters not named hopkins...
Wage an avy bet, if it ever happens?
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Well happy for Hopkins. Brilliant achievement at 48.
Still bullshit that he's a "champion" though. Campillo did a better job overall against Cloud.
Well happy for Hopkins. Brilliant achievement at 48.
Still bullshit that he's a "champion" though. Campillo did a better job overall against Cloud.
Getting knocked down twice isn't really a better job.:happy
Well happy for Hopkins. Brilliant achievement at 48.
Still bullshit that he's a "champion" though. Campillo did a better job overall against Cloud.
B-Hop is a fucking G. I'm just amazed at his intelligence in the ring. Insane.
ffs i fell asleep at about 3:45 :deadmanny
anywhere i can watch a replay?
anywhere i can watch a replay?
couldnt see it on there anywhere
found it here though if anyone else wants it http://boxingtube.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/bernard-hopkins-vs-tavoris-cloud-free.html
found it here though if anyone else wants it http://boxingtube.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/bernard-hopkins-vs-tavoris-cloud-free.html
Nah. He'd buttfuck Cleverly and, I suspect, he'd win a clear ud as well.I had it 117-111 Hopkins, and I couldn't give Cloud a clear round, thought he could've won it by 118/119 easily, but I gave Cloud the benefit of the doubt in the first half and had it even. From 6 to 12, I had to score everything to Hopkins.
Great win for Hopkins, he can half a fight so easily. He can't fight twelve rounds, let's be honest, and he couldn't since probably the Calzaghe fight or even before, so he tries to reduce the amount of work with clinching, less output, and making his opponent do the hard graft and making him miss. It's an amazing gameplan for someone in their late 40s, and it keeps him relevant and has results. He beat Foreman's record twice over, in a few years he will be looked back on even fonder than he is now, it's an amazing accomplishment, it truly is.
But I'll say this, Bernard Hopkins has absolutely no chance in Welsh hell in beating Cleverly, none whatsoever. Cleverly has an absolute iron chin, his output rivals Calzaghe, he's got heart, he's got everything you need other than an experienced corner to win that fight. Hopkins obviously picks his opponents very well, and I suspect he looks at the corner as well as the fighter, because it was apparent from round 1 that Cloud's corner couldn't help him whatsoever. Cleverly does not need his corner to win that fight, he can simply outwork him, it's that simple. Hopkins is just not active enough to win that fight. Yes he can set traps, but he'll set two or three around to land a handful of combinations whereas Cleverly can outscore him by three or four times as much. It's a very easy fight for him and hopefully Hopkins won't take it. If anything, he should retire now, but it's apparent after that outburst he won't. Honestly, what else is there to prove? He's set records, his accomplishments and record speak for themselves, but he will never be the kingpin of any division. Fighters who will not break to his game can easily defeat him.
Just feel like I have so much to say about this fight. One thing that definitely comes to mind is that he didn't need to do all that shit. I mean I love B-Hop and I love him staring down press row, but you've just made history, this doesn't need to be about Don King or Andre Ward. Celebrate your win. It's kinda like he didn't give a fuck about setting an amazing record, compared to the Jean Pascal record in Canada. It just seemed a bit weird and overshadowed the exact result. This is one of those fights where you DON'T look to the future and who he can fight next, but rather celebrate the win for as long as its fresh in the memory, because it's an amazing achievement.
why not?Wage an avy bet, if it ever happens?
daum, b hop turned the clocks back, he actually wasnt in a boring fight lol hes a nutcase though he cracks me up having scream ups with everyone in the ring :lol:
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