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"Controversial Fight #1": Ronald Wright vs Fernando Vargas

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After being here a few days I thought it was time I made some sort of substantial boxing post...naturally I have done quite the opposite and ripped out an old thread from ESB General I made. I do this because I know a number of you who live in the Brit forum and Lounge wouldn't have seen this. So hopefully we can get a good discussion going over one of the more under-the-radar great fights of recent times. Ronald Wright - Fernando Vargas.

I'll try and add a few more fights, personal scorecards etc of the more controversial fights of times gone when I myself have that greatest of resources (after Brent crude); time. However while my life is ruled by 12 hour working days it may get off to a slow start.

Anyway, le commence.

Round 1: Vargas 10-9 Wright
Round 2: Vargas 9-10 Wright
Round 3: Vargas 10-9 Wright
Round 4: Vargas 10-9 Wright
Round 5: Vargas 9-10 Wright
Round 6: Vargas 9-10 Wright
Round 7: Vargas 10-9 Wright
Round 8: Vargas 9-10 Wright
Round 9: Vargas 9-10 Wright
Round 10: Vargas 10-9 Wright
Round 11: Vargas 10-10 Wright
Round 12: Vargas 10-9 Wright

Final Score: Vargas 115-114 Wright

First off, everytime I watch this fight I'm wowed. This most be the third time I've watched this fight and I'm bowled over by the performances of both men and the sheer amount of action in this fight. First some background and what would happen after to put this fight into some perspective. Vargas was coming off big wins over Marquez and Campas, stopping both in the process and would go onto fight Quartey in his next fight. Wright on the other hand had just fought Derrick Graham following his "controversial" loss to Harry Simon and would go onto fight Bronco McKart after this fight.

Anyway as I stated I was bowled over by both mens performance, Vargas was the younger fighter by some distance and Wright had the much longer professional fight career. Vargas hadn't fought anyone of the same calibre who shared Wright's style. Wright fought what was a very aggressive fight, bringing the action to Vargas behind a typically Winkyish high guard and would use his strength once on the inside to stop Vargas backing him up. This would help to dictate the direction of the fight past round 5, as Vargas started to move much more and struggled once he found himself on the outside. That being said, when the action was taking place inside, I felt Vargas to be getting the better of the action, operating being a very accurate and powerful right hand that was breaking Winky's guard right down the middle. He had great success I thought with the right uppercut to the body and upstairs. He didn't have the success to the body that I think he thought he would, with his hooks to the body slapping against Winky's elbows giving Winky the chance to counter upstairs. None the less, Vargas started to get inside less and less between rounds 5 and 9.

Between these rounds I felt Ronald picked up the vast majority of theme, putting together beautiful combinations, flicking with the right hook and landing a very accurate left hand as he did so. His jab did the job of keeping Fernando on the outside for the majority of time during these rounds, but failed to really land in quantity with Vargas's parrying skills and occasional head movement proving effective. Vargas was only able to make it inside occasionally during this period and wasn't effective enough to take the majority of rounds from Wright who was content to move out of the pocket or stay inside and match Vargas punch for punch once there, out-hustling at times (round 9 stuck in particular).

Coming into Round 10 whatever lead Vargas's team felt he had picked up early on had dissipated and they commanded Vargas to start throwing more and to be more reckless. He had no reason to be reckless as Winky couldn't match Vargas's activity in 10 and 12, despite a nice round 11 where he unsuccessfully tried to regain his mid round momentum. Vargas wasn't as accurate in these rounds as he had been early on but he was throwing so many punches compared to the relatively inactive Wright in 10 and 12 that he would have to have dropped dead to lose them in my opinion. These three rounds really showed Vargas to be deserving of the moniker "Ferocious" as he did enough to seal the win on my card.

I was genuinely pleased with both men's performance, I thought Vargas showed his ability, working behind very accurate power punching on the inside and doing some decent work at mid-range against Winky in the earlier rounds. He showed top-notch stamina and conditioning (as did Winky) considering the bodyshots he took from Wright early on. As for Winky, a man who is lauded for his jab and watertight defence, I was more impressed with his arsenal of combination punching and an impressively accurate right hook and straight left. Their styles gelled incredibly well to give what was a back and forth burner sort of fight. Naturally I will have given spoilers in my dissertation of the fight, but its quite unexpected how Vargas tips the fight in his favour enough in the last few rounds to take the fight, considering the way in which Winky had done enough to take the majority of the middle rounds.

Winky looked very upset with the scores and I kind of have to agree with him, I felt that Debra Barnes (116-112) was way to wide, there was no way I could have given Vargas the benefit of the doubt in any more rounds to reach a score like that. I don't Ledermann was quite on top of it with his scorecard that favoured Winky by 2 points either. It was certainly a very close fight although I felt confident enough to split them on every round except 11.

A very action packed fight and I don't think we see any 22 year olds today fight with the same quality in the game today that Vargas did that night. I think that night would do a number on anybody at 154 today, including Sergio.

Thoughts?

(tl;dr, I had Vargas winning by a sole point).
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VARGAS: 1; 3; 4; 10; 12
WINKY: 2; 5; 6; 7; 8; 9; 11

Some close rounds here, have always felt Winky got the better of it on previous viewing but it's always hard to score rounds where one guy dictates early and the other guy gets more successful as he goes on and takes the second half/end of the round.

Both fighters showed they were diverse fighters who could do a bit of most facets of the game. In some rounds Vargas is landing the more eye catching work, but Winky's consistent jab is snapping away throughout. Winky kept it tight and steady while Vargas tried all sorts to try and get his punches in, countering, throwing short bursts, pressurising, but Winky kept a solid approach, so again, easy to see why it's easy to be sympathetic to Wright.

However, as was sometimes the case with Marlon Starling, it must be hard for some judges to get a good view of just what is being blocked and what is landing when someone flurries against a block heavy defensive fighter than a reflex based one. Whereas one gy makes his opponent miss, the other allows the shot to hit him. That gives judges a lot more to work with.

So, all in all, I can see how the judges might've thought Vargas nicked in, as well as I can see the arguments for Winky winning. Both gave a good account of themselves. One of those fights, some hard to score rounds, and those that weren't were clear to either man.

VARGAS: 1; 3; 4; 10; 12
WINKY: 2; 5; 6; 7; 8; 9; 11

VARGAS 113-115 WRIGHT

Real shame Reid suffered further injuries against Trinidad, he would've made for some great fights in that criwd if talented fighters between 147-154.
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I had it 114-114

Vargas 1,3,4,7,10,12
Wright 2,5,6,8,9,11

Thought the 11th could of gone either way but winky landed a nice right hand with around 30 seconds to go which really stuck out. Then again Vargas started to land more after it. A lot of swing rounds in that fight can see it being a few rounds in either fighters favour.

Thank god winky got rid of ric flair in his corner was hoping he would of shut up after a few rounds but he just kept going.
:lol: Agreed, glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. He was off beat too often for my liking as well, for a while it seemed he was rooting for Vargas :lol:
:lol: Agreed, glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. He was off beat too often for my liking as well, for a while it seemed he was rooting for Vargas :lol:
:lol: Thought that as well. A few rounds he seemed to be a big Vargas fan. He was well off on some of Winky's as well a few times I heard the Woooo and had to look back and see if I missed something. A good tactic though beats a fighter barking any time they throw a punch.
If Ric Flair was in Winky's team then I guess we can draw some sort of conclusion as to why Winky made as many financial errors in his career as he did. :lol:

On a separate note it is kind of a shame what happened to Reid and how his fight with Trinidad exacerbated the trouble with his eyelid. That would have been a truly stacked period in 154's history. I guess its also a shame that by the time Mosley reached 154 he abandoned elements of his offensive arsenal that made him such an effective fighter at 135 and 147, the talent in the division would have just oozed everywhere. Just another what if in boxing's long history of what ifs though...

Enjoyed reading the responses.
@LancsTerrible Actually mate IIRC Tito actually injured the other eye (or caused a detached retina on the droopy one) and that finished him. Such a shame. Reid Vs Oscar, Mosley, Winky, Forrest, and if he was healthy all through his career you could imagine him moving up to middle and fighting Joppy, Hopkins, Sturm even, well, as fans we were deprived of some really exciting fights.

On phone so can't post it but if you haven't seen it check his fight with Simon Brown that I posted on YouTube. A horrific ending, I edited out the five odd minutes of Brown lying motionless on the mat, it got a bit disturbing :lol:

Past his best but dangerous, a quality win for such a green prospect, and boy could Reid bang :deal

His fight with massively underrated fellow Olympian and solid junior middleweight champion Laurent Boudouani is pretty fun, and could've gone either way IMO. Sadly no longer on YouTube :-(
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Round 1- Vargas (It was a close round, though. Vargas, for the most part, controlled the first couple of minutes, but then Wright came on in the last minute or so, and made a case for winning the round.)

Round 2- Wright (This was a good round for Wright. He basically picked up where he left off the first round.)

Round 3- Wright (A very close round. A good comeback round for Vargas. I gave it to Wright though, they both landed about the same, but I felt Winky was more of the boss.)

Round 4- Vargas (Close round. Vargas really put in the work in the last minute to get it for me.)

Round 5- Wright (Big round for Winky. Vargas really didn't land anything significant, Vargas was neutralized for most of the round.)

Round 6- Wright (A closer round, compared to round 5, but still, Wright was effective with the jab and left hand. Keeping Vargas at bay.)

Round 7- Wright (Definitely a swing round. Close, but I felt Wright landed the more clean, effective, shots.)

Round 8- Wright (Big round for Winky. Winky pushing Vargas back, and keeping him on the wrong end of the 1-1-2.)

Round 9- Wright (Another close round, but I felt Winky did enough. Vargas put in good body work early, but I felt Wright nicked it towards the end being the boss.)

Round 10- Vargas (Nobody's round until Vargas stepped on the gas. Vargas took the round at the end.)

Round 11- Wright (Vargas started well, but I felt Wright was in control and fought well for ha;f the round. Really controlling it.)

Round 12- Vargas (Winky not as active, but when he did throw, Wright's jab would snap the head of Vargas. Close round, but I thought Vargas nicked it with his activity and power)

116-112 Wright
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Never seen this fight until now, just sat and scored it and it really is a damn good fight, I had it 115-114 for Winky, had him winning 2,5,6,8,9 and 11 with 7 even.
@LancsTerrible Actually mate IIRC Tito actually injured the other eye (or caused a detached retina on the droopy one) and that finished him. Such a shame. Reid Vs Oscar, Mosley, Winky, Forrest, and if he was healthy all through his career you could imagine him moving up to middle and fighting Joppy, Hopkins, Sturm even, well, as fans we were deprived of some really exciting fights.

On phone so can't post it but if you haven't seen it check his fight with Simon Brown that I posted on YouTube. A horrific ending, I edited out the five odd minutes of Brown lying motionless on the mat, it got a bit disturbing :lol:

Past his best but dangerous, a quality win for such a green prospect, and boy could Reid bang :deal

His fight with massively underrated fellow Olympian and solid junior middleweight champion Laurent Boudouani is pretty fun, and could've gone either way IMO. Sadly no longer on YouTube :-(
I never actually knew it was the other eye that was so damaged in the Tito fight, I'd always presumed that it was already damaged one. I think it gives us a pretty good idea of just what an effective puncher Tito was in that he was able to put such a beating on two potentially great, if already very good fighters in Reid and Vargas even if he found himself outboxed and outfoxed at times.

I've been fortunate enough to have seen the knockout of Brown, certainly one of the more standout knockouts by a rising prospect on an ageing if still wily fighter like Brown. I've always been a fan of Brown due to his knockout of Terry Norris in the years past, so it was a little shocking to see just how much damage Reid did with what was one punch. I'd say its one of my more favourite under-the-radar one punch knockouts of the 90's along with the likes of Carbajal-Gonzalez I (if you don't count the blocked setup right hook Carbajal throws).

I've not been fortunate enough to see Boudouani-Reid. If I ever get round to getting a Reid career set I'll make to tune in to that first.

The potential for all that talent to be at 154 at the same time would have been incredible. Horses for courses on how you rate great fighters but with de la Hoya, Trinidad, Mosley and Wright in the same division at the same time that would have been 4 in my book, along with the very good and tricky Forrest. Even if you think about fighters that could have dabbled in the 154 mix to give us some great fights, like Mayorga, Spinks, Castijello etc, you've got the potential for a string of brilliant fights and those guys certainly weren't afraid to fight each other.
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Wright's fight with Vazquez is a excellent fight to, if any of you havent seen it. Wright showed good boxing skills and a nice jab but was maybe a bit raw and inexperienced at that time. He showed immense balls and heart in getting up from 5 knockdowns at the hands of the rugged Argentine though. Vazquez himself is one of the underrated fighters of the 90's era himself. The full fight is on the tube.
Think I'm going to give this one a watch late or tomorrow. Full fight is on Youtube with good quality also its got that epic World Championship boxing theme tune

@LancsTerrible Nice post, agree with all of it.
@LancsTerrible Nice post, agree with all of it.
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