Cotto should avoid Canelo
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Damn, not one reply? OK then, here's the synopsis. I think Team Cotto should go after Sergio Martinez instead of Canelo because:
1) Styles make fights - Cotto CAN'T fight Canelo the way he just fought Rodriguez. He will eat punches on the way in, get muscled on the inside, find it harder to land those looping hooks on the Mexican and probably can’t hurt him. Now Martinez on the other hand has shown some vulnerability against come-forward stalkers in recent fights. His stamina can be tested, especially if you go to the body and make him move a lot.
2) There has never been a Puerto Rican 4-division titlist, Cotto could be the first if he were to fight and beat Martinez. It's risk versus reward here. Whether you think Canelo is more beatable for Cotto than Martinez (and I don't), there is way more reward in a fight with the Argentinian.
3) Cotto is with Top Rank, Canelo is with Golden Boy - we all know the story there. Cotto will get a much better deal going up against Martinez, who is with Lou DiBella (the best promoter in boxing) and will work with anyone. Bigger share of the purse, east coast venue, etc.
4) Let's say Cotto beats Canelo, so what? Mayweather just dominated him. But if he were to beat Sergio, that's another guy that Floyd has avoided and it sets up a justifiable, lucrative rematch with Money May.
1) Styles make fights - Cotto CAN'T fight Canelo the way he just fought Rodriguez. He will eat punches on the way in, get muscled on the inside, find it harder to land those looping hooks on the Mexican and probably can’t hurt him. Now Martinez on the other hand has shown some vulnerability against come-forward stalkers in recent fights. His stamina can be tested, especially if you go to the body and make him move a lot.
2) There has never been a Puerto Rican 4-division titlist, Cotto could be the first if he were to fight and beat Martinez. It's risk versus reward here. Whether you think Canelo is more beatable for Cotto than Martinez (and I don't), there is way more reward in a fight with the Argentinian.
3) Cotto is with Top Rank, Canelo is with Golden Boy - we all know the story there. Cotto will get a much better deal going up against Martinez, who is with Lou DiBella (the best promoter in boxing) and will work with anyone. Bigger share of the purse, east coast venue, etc.
4) Let's say Cotto beats Canelo, so what? Mayweather just dominated him. But if he were to beat Sergio, that's another guy that Floyd has avoided and it sets up a justifiable, lucrative rematch with Money May.
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1) mayweather won a close decision,he never dominated canelo.
2) i agree the sergio win will be bigger. although i don't think cotto will be able to take sergios power. i think he'd counter him coming in.
2) i agree the sergio win will be bigger. although i don't think cotto will be able to take sergios power. i think he'd counter him coming in.
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good stuff Montero, Sergio has not been the same since the knee injuries , but I also have not seen him fight a smaller man in a long time
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Ross? is that you?...
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I think that Canelo is the perfect fight for Cotto right now. Canelo could be mentally vulnarable after suffering his first defeat, and it's a big money fight. Canelo is a beast, and Cotto looked tremendous this past weekend. I would love to see it.
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Cotto should avoid fighting a winnable fight? No, I wouldn't want to see Cotto at 160 lbs. How are you going to say Cotto won't hurt a 154 lber. Canelo but could somehow beat 160 lb. Martinez? I disagree fully. I mean he does have a chance against Martinez, but I think his chances to beat Canelo are even better. Oh, and Canelo is still listed as p4p #9 , last I checked. The public (or at least Ring) still sees him as a p4p fighter, even with his loss to Floyd.
I disagree man. I scored that fight 10-2 for Floyd, could make a case for 9-3.
I just think Canelo is more durable than Martinez at this point. Also Canelo's vulnerabilities are against slick boxers (Mayweather, Trout), not guys who will be there in front of him (Cotto). I'm not saying he has great odds, but at this point Cotto has a really good chance for Martinez, who is ripe for the taking.
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I agree the Canelo fight will be harder to make due to promotional companies, net him less money as Canelo will demand and get a larger purse than Sergio, and the prize of being the first Puerto Rican 4-division titlist is a bigger reward.. But I don't think he can beat Martinez yet.
Still see that fight happening before Canelo fight though.
Still see that fight happening before Canelo fight though.
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He'll be an underdog against either guy. But his footwork and overall boxing ability will serve him better against Canelo than it likely will against Sergio. Cotto is lighter and swifter on his feet than Canelo, and we've all seen how footwork can give the kid fits. Movement, a little body work to further gas the kid, and a decision is possible.
Martinez is a complete unknown at this point. He relies on athleticism and reflexes far more than textbook technique. Father Time has a habit of really taking a toll on fighters like that. But even a slowed Martinez should be able to handle Cotto's shots and catch Miguel coming forward.
Martinez is a complete unknown at this point. He relies on athleticism and reflexes far more than textbook technique. Father Time has a habit of really taking a toll on fighters like that. But even a slowed Martinez should be able to handle Cotto's shots and catch Miguel coming forward.
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Props for making a vid.
I agree that Delvin doesn't tell us much, as he was a tune-up fight below Cotto's level. However certain things translate, and Cotto's fundamentals and body work were there for reasons other than simply the fact it was Delvin in front of him.
Martinez is certainly the least dangerous, if he stays as worn as he is. I agree on that. It's a good fight to chase for him. Getting the lineal championship at 160 even at this stage would be a good accomplishment.
But he's looking at more big paydays, a few more fights to finish on a high note. Assuming he beats Sergio, I think Canelo is vulnerable to someone as skilled as Cotto. Sure he's bigger, harder hitting, and maybe stronger (though whether he has enough craft to use his strength as leverage as well as Cotto does is up for debate). But Cotto has the far better stamina, the better footwork in any direction, and is much tighter on the inside. Cotto can't neglect his defense against Canelo but he's more likely to Corner Alvarez than the opposite happening. Canelo was terrified of Floyd's rangefinder jab and would just sit there. Same with Trout's flicker of a jab, one counter for every 10 Trout punches. Cotto's consistent pressure and boxing ability would be something new for Canelo.
Also I want to post this GIF because it's one of the better ones I've made, relevant or not. Get em Jose get em!
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I agree that Delvin doesn't tell us much, as he was a tune-up fight below Cotto's level. However certain things translate, and Cotto's fundamentals and body work were there for reasons other than simply the fact it was Delvin in front of him.
Martinez is certainly the least dangerous, if he stays as worn as he is. I agree on that. It's a good fight to chase for him. Getting the lineal championship at 160 even at this stage would be a good accomplishment.
But he's looking at more big paydays, a few more fights to finish on a high note. Assuming he beats Sergio, I think Canelo is vulnerable to someone as skilled as Cotto. Sure he's bigger, harder hitting, and maybe stronger (though whether he has enough craft to use his strength as leverage as well as Cotto does is up for debate). But Cotto has the far better stamina, the better footwork in any direction, and is much tighter on the inside. Cotto can't neglect his defense against Canelo but he's more likely to Corner Alvarez than the opposite happening. Canelo was terrified of Floyd's rangefinder jab and would just sit there. Same with Trout's flicker of a jab, one counter for every 10 Trout punches. Cotto's consistent pressure and boxing ability would be something new for Canelo.
Also I want to post this GIF because it's one of the better ones I've made, relevant or not. Get em Jose get em!
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If I was Miguel Cotto, with his style, age, size, I rather fight Sergio. Sergio will be 38 years old, coming off of surgery, catchweight or not it wouldn't matter because SM does not struggle to make 160, he can even make 154 for the right fight (Mayweather, Pacquiao), so the win would not be hindered if there was CW.
Canelo on the other hand, is young, big, powerful, his style is more aggressive than Sergio, but at the same time his defense is tight. He won't get hit cleanly a whole lot. Trading body blows with Canelo would be suicide for Cotto. Martinez's style suits Cotto more, yes Martinez is taller, powerful, probably same size, but his style of getting on his bike often will suit Cotto. Canelo ain't getting on his bike against Cotto, he knows he has the power advantage over Cotto, and he'll be sure to come in as the bigger man on fight night. Martinez can get hit cleanly a lot! His defense has always been iffy and he CAN be drawn in to wars. Also, Martinez looked worse against Murray than Canelo looked against Mayweather.
Canelo on the other hand, is young, big, powerful, his style is more aggressive than Sergio, but at the same time his defense is tight. He won't get hit cleanly a whole lot. Trading body blows with Canelo would be suicide for Cotto. Martinez's style suits Cotto more, yes Martinez is taller, powerful, probably same size, but his style of getting on his bike often will suit Cotto. Canelo ain't getting on his bike against Cotto, he knows he has the power advantage over Cotto, and he'll be sure to come in as the bigger man on fight night. Martinez can get hit cleanly a lot! His defense has always been iffy and he CAN be drawn in to wars. Also, Martinez looked worse against Murray than Canelo looked against Mayweather.
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Canelo looks like an ant there compared to now. Looks like he's literally a little kid there, like 15 years old :lol:Props for making a vid.
I agree that Delvin doesn't tell us much, as he was a tune-up fight below Cotto's level. However certain things translate, and Cotto's fundamentals and body work were there for reasons other than simply the fact it was Delvin in front of him.
Martinez is certainly the least dangerous, if he stays as worn as he is. I agree on that. It's a good fight to chase for him. Getting the lineal championship at 160 even at this stage would be a good accomplishment.
But he's looking at more big paydays, a few more fights to finish on a high note. Assuming he beats Sergio, I think Canelo is vulnerable to someone as skilled as Cotto. Sure he's bigger, harder hitting, and maybe stronger (though whether he has enough craft to use his strength as leverage as well as Cotto does is up for debate). But Cotto has the far better stamina, the better footwork in any direction, and is much tighter on the inside. Cotto can't neglect his defense against Canelo but he's more likely to Corner Alvarez than the opposite happening. Canelo was terrified of Floyd's rangefinder jab and would just sit there. Same with Trout's flicker of a jab, one counter for every 10 Trout punches. Cotto's consistent pressure and boxing ability would be something new for Canelo.
Also I want to post this GIF because it's one of the better ones I've made, relevant or not. Get em Jose get em!
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You think he grew that much?
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Cotto looked good because delvin isnt that great.
I think Canelo beats him and that martinez would be a better bet. Especially if martinez goes to 154 for Cotto. Hes nearing the shot stage pretty soon, even the fights he has won in recent years he has had come from behind KO's and he wont be able to pull that off every time.
Canelo's speed and defense will bother cotto.
I think Canelo beats him and that martinez would be a better bet. Especially if martinez goes to 154 for Cotto. Hes nearing the shot stage pretty soon, even the fights he has won in recent years he has had come from behind KO's and he wont be able to pull that off every time.
Canelo's speed and defense will bother cotto.
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Yeah, and he's getting bigger.
Fight night weights for Canelo:
Vs: Cotto: 160lbs
Vs Baldomir: 163lbs
Vs Hatton: 165lbs
Vs Gomez 168lbs
Vs Mosley: 167lbs
Vs Lopez: 164lbs
Vs Trout: 172lbs
http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-canelo-compubox-detailed-analysis--69631
From the Cotto fight to the Trout fight, that is a 12lbs difference on fight night. Huge difference. Though I expect to see him average about 168-170lbs on fight nights as the years go by.
But yeah, put the Canelo of the Cotto fight against the Canelo of the Trout fight, he'll look like a child. Looks like a pit bull now with his huge neck.
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