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Arum'll make a fortune with the already-signed Pac-Bradley II 'n no longer have to take heat for avoiding Mayweather.
It's win-win for him -- worthy of Don Corleone
It's win-win for him -- worthy of Don Corleone
Could the Pac shocker be an Arum masterstroke?
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XPERT-post m8.:deal
And Pacroid-Marquez 4 can be delayed to May 2013, when Old Man Marquez is even older. :-(
Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke
And Pacroid-Marquez 4 can be delayed to May 2013, when Old Man Marquez is even older. :-(
Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke
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That's my view too. For whatever reason it seems he doesn't want to fight Mayweather. A 4th Marquez fight sees Pac lose. A robbery vs Bradley doesn't lose Pac any credibility and it avoids the other fights that are out there.
Could be looking way too much into it but I don't think it's a coincidence that robberies happened in 2 Pac fights in a row.
Could be looking way too much into it but I don't think it's a coincidence that robberies happened in 2 Pac fights in a row.
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its no doubt a gangster move by arum, for him personally lol but not for boxing as a whole... we still lose out, as its just another strong arm tactic that again shows what a shady business our sport is... im getting more fed up with the decisions every time they happen... people talk about boycotting the shows or the next 'so and so fight' on this occasion bob arum, but i never will because i enjoy the fights to much lol the people higher up need to do something about it... they never will though...
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I wrote an article for the main page but roe won't out it up
I'll just put it in here seen as though it's the same topic
What Kind of Corruption Are We Facing in Boxing Now?
It seems to be a dodgy decision is par for the course lately in boxing. What's going on here? 'British stoppages', bad decisions, fighters unable to get it on with fighters from different promotional camps, Ring magazine rankings almost as ambiguous as what goes on inside the thick of the alphabet soup. It has become all too normal and regular.
Last night Manny Pacquiao lost a fight that nobody sane thought he lost. In his previous fight, Manny Pacquiao won a fight that nobody sane thought he won. Two wrongs don't make a right, and neither do three. In April just gone, another world title fight involving Brandon Rios and Richard Abril, produced one of the most bitterly disputed decisions in world boxing. These are not fights like Khan-Peterson, Bellew-Cleverley, Degale-Groves, close fights which you can't argue with whose hand is raised either way. These are blatant robberies.
I've never been one for boxing politics, to be blunt, I hate everything in and around it. I just want to see fighters get the chances and the decisions they deserve. From Charley Burley to Junior Witter, the age old ducking and dodging (and not in the ring) has become too much for me to take with a smile. Today we have major feuds between business entities in the sport of boxing, all of whom are striving only to keep their shows completely in house. They want to put on fights between two fighters that they have full promotional rights too, and I can't blame them, because good business is good business. But this is hurting my sport, I need it to stop. We're never going to have Mayweather-Pacquiao, and we should have seen a trilogy of it by now.
Tim Bradley is a respectable warrior, but he lost last night. Juan Manuel Marquez, for me, has beaten Manny Pacquiao three times, the first two were very close, so I have no gripes, but the last one was clear as day, he was his opponent’s master. Marquez has walked away from that trilogy with no official victory to speak of.
If we're going to be cynical and assume the existence of corruption, and we have the right to, because we pay for the privilege to watch such terrible decisions, then we have to ask ourselves- to what extent will the powers that be go to to prevent a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight from occurring?
I'll just put it in here seen as though it's the same topic
What Kind of Corruption Are We Facing in Boxing Now?
It seems to be a dodgy decision is par for the course lately in boxing. What's going on here? 'British stoppages', bad decisions, fighters unable to get it on with fighters from different promotional camps, Ring magazine rankings almost as ambiguous as what goes on inside the thick of the alphabet soup. It has become all too normal and regular.
Last night Manny Pacquiao lost a fight that nobody sane thought he lost. In his previous fight, Manny Pacquiao won a fight that nobody sane thought he won. Two wrongs don't make a right, and neither do three. In April just gone, another world title fight involving Brandon Rios and Richard Abril, produced one of the most bitterly disputed decisions in world boxing. These are not fights like Khan-Peterson, Bellew-Cleverley, Degale-Groves, close fights which you can't argue with whose hand is raised either way. These are blatant robberies.
I've never been one for boxing politics, to be blunt, I hate everything in and around it. I just want to see fighters get the chances and the decisions they deserve. From Charley Burley to Junior Witter, the age old ducking and dodging (and not in the ring) has become too much for me to take with a smile. Today we have major feuds between business entities in the sport of boxing, all of whom are striving only to keep their shows completely in house. They want to put on fights between two fighters that they have full promotional rights too, and I can't blame them, because good business is good business. But this is hurting my sport, I need it to stop. We're never going to have Mayweather-Pacquiao, and we should have seen a trilogy of it by now.
Tim Bradley is a respectable warrior, but he lost last night. Juan Manuel Marquez, for me, has beaten Manny Pacquiao three times, the first two were very close, so I have no gripes, but the last one was clear as day, he was his opponent’s master. Marquez has walked away from that trilogy with no official victory to speak of.
If we're going to be cynical and assume the existence of corruption, and we have the right to, because we pay for the privilege to watch such terrible decisions, then we have to ask ourselves- to what extent will the powers that be go to to prevent a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight from occurring?
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If the decision last night to raise Tim Bradley's arm was made in the interests of a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight from happening, then I would much rather that these dark forces would have prevented it by doing the right thing in Pac Man's last fight (Marquez), which would be to make him the official loser of a fight which he did not do enough to win. But a good close fight with the Mexican legend could gave always lead to a fourth fight between the two if the decision was dubious, and these ever so crafty business men know that. Mayweather-Pacquiao is never happening, period. No matter what the event, measures will be taken to make sure that that fight is on hold, we just have to accept that that is permanent.
Personally, I was over it a long tme ago, I would rather have Mayweather and Pacquiao retire than go on not fighting each other. Boxings inability to deliver its biggest fight is only going to over shadow all the good in the sport whilst these two linger without fighting one another. I'm reading constantly on the likes of facebook about how boxing is dead. Most of these people have never heard much about Andre Ward, Chad Dawson, Nonito Donaire, and prospects like David Price and Guillermo Rigondeaux. Boxing will never die, but I wish we could loosen the choke hold on it. It doesn't help when those who are applying the choke hold are wearing balaclavas and have no identity to be revealed.
Terrible decision last night. Well done, Manny, well done Tim, and congratulations to Randall Bailey and his old equalizer.
If the decision last night to raise Tim Bradley's arm was made in the interests of a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight from happening, then I would much rather that these dark forces would have prevented it by doing the right thing in Pac Man's last fight (Marquez), which would be to make him the official loser of a fight which he did not do enough to win. But a good close fight with the Mexican legend could gave always lead to a fourth fight between the two if the decision was dubious, and these ever so crafty business men know that. Mayweather-Pacquiao is never happening, period. No matter what the event, measures will be taken to make sure that that fight is on hold, we just have to accept that that is permanent.
Personally, I was over it a long tme ago, I would rather have Mayweather and Pacquiao retire than go on not fighting each other. Boxings inability to deliver its biggest fight is only going to over shadow all the good in the sport whilst these two linger without fighting one another. I'm reading constantly on the likes of facebook about how boxing is dead. Most of these people have never heard much about Andre Ward, Chad Dawson, Nonito Donaire, and prospects like David Price and Guillermo Rigondeaux. Boxing will never die, but I wish we could loosen the choke hold on it. It doesn't help when those who are applying the choke hold are wearing balaclavas and have no identity to be revealed.
Terrible decision last night. Well done, Manny, well done Tim, and congratulations to Randall Bailey and his old equalizer.
JG, the point you raised is I think in fairly mainstream agreement, it all fits too well. Teeto, spot on with your post/s, what is sad is that I no longer care for Mayweather Pacquiao, the time for that has passed and that is to the detriment of the sport. The questions and intrigue that match-up provided a couple of years ago are now gone, we will never know. Yes, i'd watch if they step in together next year, i'd also watch Jenna stick a Bute doll up her Krueger, it doesn't mean it's what I wanted to see happen.
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I believe so.
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Be interested to hear why your article wasn't put up, T
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I doubled over laughin', D
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Said this earlier, don't think it is.
The plus side of doing this is Pac-Bradley 2, that will make alright money but hardly a fortune. Bradley gets a lift, but will remain largely anonymous for the casuals.
The minus sides would be getting Pac a loss that could hamper his selling potential, will make the negotiations on a Floyd-fight harder for him, giving Mayweather an advantage in the pissing contest they have, possibly pissing off his money machine Pacquiao (who Bradley will never come even close to replacing)
Imo doesn't make much sense on his part. Just crappy officiating.
The plus side of doing this is Pac-Bradley 2, that will make alright money but hardly a fortune. Bradley gets a lift, but will remain largely anonymous for the casuals.
The minus sides would be getting Pac a loss that could hamper his selling potential, will make the negotiations on a Floyd-fight harder for him, giving Mayweather an advantage in the pissing contest they have, possibly pissing off his money machine Pacquiao (who Bradley will never come even close to replacing)
Imo doesn't make much sense on his part. Just crappy officiating.
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