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Whaddaya' mean, IF?
lol ....

So then:
Fast Eddie continues to peddle meaningless "AJ vs no-hoper" fights to the deluded Brtish fans, until his cash cow's udders drop off, and Fury prepares to take on Usyk in the Spring.


Simples.
 

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After AJ loses this fight, he pulls a "Naseem Hamhead" move and eats himself into "Super Heavyweight" contention, and never boxes again. He lives out his life on his earnings happy to never climb back between the ropes.

Fury goes on to unify the division by taking all belts, retires and goes on a Karaoke tour of the world belting out songs as only he can. He stays retired for several years and then tries to pull a "George Foreman" move and make a come-back, but at 450 lbs. it proves just too much.
 

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I think at that point AJ is done as a consideration at the very top level for HW… I mean, there might still be some interest in a Wilder fight but really it’s just a side show leading to nowhere in particular.

I was coming on the forum to pose the opposite question, which is far more interesting imo…

What does the HW landscape look like if Joshua KOs Fury.

You have AJ holding the last belt, the unified champ with the other belts has already beaten him comfortably twice?!?

Maybe a Fury vs Usyk for the sake of it as it’s an interesting match-up style wise?

Where does AJ go?
 

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I think at that point AJ is done as a consideration at the very top level for HW… I mean, there might still be some interest in a Wilder fight but really it’s just a side show leading to nowhere in particular.

I was coming on the forum to pose the opposite question, which is far more interesting imo…

What does the HW landscape look like if Joshua KOs Fury.

You have AJ holding the last belt, the unified champ with the other belts has already beaten him comfortably twice?!?

Maybe a Fury vs Usyk for the sake of it as it’s an interesting match-up style wise?

Where does AJ go?

Fury's camp immediately invokes the "Rematch Clause" tying up Joshua to another bout in the near future-----which AJ loses badly and then pulls a Mike Tyson and announces, "Maybe it's time I fade off into Bolivian" and is never seen in the ring again unless asked to make a guest appearance at other championship fights prior to the ring announcements.


Fury then goes on to batter the much smaller Usyk, capturing all the belts----then goes on the above mentioned World Karaoke Tour.
 

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I think at that point AJ is done as a consideration at the very top level for HW… I mean, there might still be some interest in a Wilder fight but really it’s just a side show leading to nowhere in particular.

I was coming on the forum to pose the opposite question, which is far more interesting imo…

What does the HW landscape look like if Joshua KOs Fury.

You have AJ holding the last belt, the unified champ with the other belts has already beaten him comfortably twice?!?

Maybe a Fury vs Usyk for the sake of it as it’s an interesting match-up style wise?

Where does AJ go?
The rematch clause would kick in and Fury and AJ would go again. I don't think AJ can beat Fury once, let alone twice.
 

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Mike actually grows the stuff commercially.

That plus his podcast, plus all his acting gigs, plus his family life ....... Quite a second half.
I knew he was into cultivating and selling now. He had to do something to make up for the huge fortune he pissed away from all the purses he made as a boxer. I still can't wrap my head around a guy going through all that money-----even with Don King as a promoter-----one of the biggest crooks in the history of boxing.

But I've been around long enough to see many retired boxers piss their money away------some winding up doing menial jobs just to make money like Leon Spinks working in a fast food restaurant and a janitor at a YMCA, Beau Jack shining shoes, Tommy Hearns having to liquidate much of his estate to pay off debts, Joe Louis working as a "Meet and Greeter" guy in Vegas, Evander Holyfield losing his fortune to the many women he owned child support to and his lavish lifestyle.
 

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AJ needs a sports psychologist, he has the tools but something isn't clicking between the ears
I am not sure you can teach somebody to be a warrior. In fact I highly doubt it is possible.

AJ is a big, strong athlete who was able to bully opponents using his physical advantages and it worked well for him until he came up against real fighting men who weren't over the hill at the time. He was fortunate to fight Klitschko when Wlad was well past his best or that would have been AJ's moment of truth, but it was instead delayed until he met Ruiz.

Ruiz, Usyk and Fury are not athletes who found they could beat people in a fight using their size and athleticism. They are fighters to their very core. That's the difference, and although a sports psychologist could very likely help AJ, when the bell rings he is on his own.
 

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AJ needs a sports psychologist, he has the tools but something isn't clicking between the ears
AJ has been using sports psychologists since his amateur days. He has practiced and learnt all the various aspects of sports psychology probably more then any other British Boxer ever. Mindfulness, hypnosis, positive affirmations, creative visualisation etc.

A lot of his preparation has been based on modern sports science. Until recently all of his training camps were based near Sheffield University. Using all the top experts from there from Sports Psychologists , to dieticians to physiotherapists, to rest and recuperation specialists etc.

And recently he has based himself at Loughborough University. These universities have amongst the best Sports Psychology and Science departments in the country.

Well too much of something can be counter productive. As Business speaker Jim Rohn states “They say An apple a day keeps the Doctor away, but if you eat only apples you will get sick even too much of something good can be bad for you.”

Maybe he needs to stop cluttering his mind with all this science and over thinking and over analysing everything. Just do some serious old school training and hard sparring. That’s another thing listening to his interviews I think he stopped doing hard sparring since he replaced his first coach Tony Simms with Robert Mccraken. And instead focused on technical sparring. Because the scientific data and analysis showed hard sparring can harm a boxers longevity in the sport.

P.S. I am not against sports psychology but a firm advocate it. I have tried many of these methods. But what I found is you become too obsessive with them. It leads to mental burn out.

Similarly to a person who has a daily schedule mapping out in detail every task that needs to be completed at a given time. Although initially you get great results but after a while you just burn out and emotionally get tired of living your entire life within time constraints.

Mind you there is a school of thought in psychiatry that the best treatment for Anxiety disorders. Is exposure therapy. So from that perspective if you are a boxer who suddenly becomes gun shy and develops an anxiety about getting hit. The best way to overcome it would be to practice getting hit in hard sparring sessions.
Here is an interesting article on exposure therapy Exposure Therapy for Anxiety Disorders

I suppose the brutal and infamous gym wars in the Kronk gym back in the 1980’s could be labelled as boxing’s version of exposure therapy.
 

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Nothing wrong with sports science, (I happen to have an MS in the field) but 95% of everything just comes down to what you've got inside you. Your toughness, willingness to push through pain, willingness to train hard when you don't feel like it, etc. Pretty boys like AJ think that all the science + lifting weights will make them a champ, and that's just an illusion. Those old time trainers knew what they were doing. It's the pain business. Come to fight, or go home.

To quote Duke Ellington: "It don't mean a thing if it 'aint got that swing."

To paraphrase that great philosopher Mike Tyson: "Every sports physiologist has a plan, but sometimes you just have to go and punch somebody in the mouth."
 

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I heard something today about Usyk saying he wants Wilder next if Fury is fighting Joshua next. Then I thought well isn't Fury only calling Joshua because Usyk said he needs to rest up and heal for the remainder of 2022?

Anyway when Fury knocks Joshua out it has to be Usyk afterwards but hopefully Usyk can be next instead of Joshua, I don't want to see the world champion fighting someone who's lost their last two, that simply isn't acceptable in my book at least, I can't pay to watch that so I'll have no choice but to rip it off
 
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