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ScouseLeader

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The Ring gave Keith Thurman prospect of the year, I mean all he did was knock out Carlos Quintana who's past it and has always had poor punch resistance. Surely there have been better prospects?
 
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Lunny said:
Price as prospect of the year:

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8784628/david-price
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Interesting looking at Rafael's list of prospects of the year. A few hits and misses!

2012: David Price
2011: Gary Russell Jr.
2010: Canelo Alvarez
2009: Daniel Jacobs
2008: Victor Ortiz
2007: Amir Khan
2006: Andre Berto
2005: Joel Julio
2004: Samuel Peter
2003: Jermain Taylor
2002: Miguel Cotto
2001: Francisco Bojado
2000: Julio Diaz
 
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tdw said:
Interesting looking at Rafael's list of prospects of the year. A few hits and misses!

2012: David Price
2011: Gary Russell Jr.
2010: Canelo Alvarez
2009: Daniel Jacobs
2008: Victor Ortiz
2007: Amir Khan
2006: Andre Berto
2005: Joel Julio
2004: Samuel Peter
2003: Jermain Taylor
2002: Miguel Cotto
2001: Francisco Bojado
2000: Julio Diaz
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Not a bad list to be fair.
 
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I find Japanese prospects really hard to gauge, they tend to be matched pretty tough from the start of their careers anyways. Guys like Sato - who I thought was a guy being thrown in at the deep end going into the Rungvisai fight - kind of come out of nowhere and automatically establish themselves at world level. I like Yukinori Oguni though, he was impressive against Serie when lots of people didn't think he'd come through and Ryosuke Iwasa shut out De La Mora last time out which is pretty impressive. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think his only loss is against Yamanaka, which is hardly something to be ashamed of.:yep I swear people think fighters drop their "prospect" tag just because they've lost a fight sometimes.

I've always liked Felix Diaz but god his career has moved slowly. He turned pro the year after he won gold in Beijing and hasn't really progressed much at all. He was supposed to fight Nuzhenko at one point, who isn't all that but it was a significant enough step up in competition, which under the condition he came through unscathed I hoped was a sign he was beginning his gradual rise through the ranks. Hope he gets a move on now, he's in his late 20's at this stage.

Gilberto Ramirez Sanchez is supposedly a very promising fighter though I can't say I've seen much of him(not through lack of trying, mind. Unless I'm missing something obvious actual footage of him fighting is sparse in quantity). From the limited amount I've come across he looks pretty leaky defensively, but tidy on the attack. Physical dimensions are impressive too.

Leo Santa Cruz is obviously way past prospect level at this stage but I'm quite proud I latched onto him before a lot of people on this side of the world seemed to.:yep
 
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What are some global names you'd have thrown in there? (just wanting to know who to look out for)
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For the year that he has had, Yukinori Oguni definitely deserved a mention. I can't gauge what level he will reach - I've only seen one of his early fights, a struggle with Eric Rapada - but successfully defending the equivalent of the European title against three solid opponents (especially the world rated Serie, who he dominated according to reports) is very impressive. Plus, he has only had ten fights!

Others from Japan to watch out for in 2013 include Naoya Inoue, Ryosuke Iwasa, Sho Ishida, Kenichi Ogawa (interesting to see how he'll bounce back from his first loss), Kyotaro Fujimoto, Tomoki Kameda, Kenji Kubo, and Keita Obara.

Thailand has a few guys coming through as ever. Jomthong Chuwatana is the standout, due to his rapid progression and Muay Thai background. He has only had four fights, but looks ready to challenge for world honours next year. Amnat Ruenroeng, a talented former Olympian boxer, is another guy being moved along fast (although that is mainly down to him being 33) and one to watch out for. I also like the look of Teerachai Kratingdaenggym, a 20-year old welterweight who also comes from a Muay Thai background.

From the Philippines, I've been watching Froilan 'The Sniper' Saludar for a long time. He only made steady progress this year, but I believe he is highly ranked by a few governing bodies so it'll be interesting to see how they move him in 2013. I wouldn't label him as a prospect, but Denver Cuello is, arguably, the best current Filipino fighter not to have challenged for a 'world' title. That will change next year when he faces Xiong Zhao Zhong, a fight he should be a big favourite in.

I don't really follow the African boxing scene too much, but Zolani Tete is a talented fighter that I like the look of despite him losing three of his last six contests. I've seen Bongo Lipembo receive quite a bit of hype, but his career seems to have stagnated despite talk of him fighting in the USA this year. And Thabiso Mchunu won the Super 8 cruiserweight tournament in South Africa this year, so he is worthy of a mention.

Others that I'm watching include Wale Omotoso, Jack Culcay, Fedor Papazov, the Arroyo twins, and Carlos Ivan Velasquez.

Err, sorry for going on...:p
 
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I find Japanese prospects really hard to gauge, they tend to be matched pretty tough from the start of their careers anyways. Guys like Sato - who I thought was a guy being thrown in at the deep end going into the Rungvisai fight - kind of come out of nowhere and automatically establish themselves at world level. I like Yukinori Oguni though, he was impressive against Serie when lots of people didn't think he'd come through and Ryosuke Iwasa shut out De La Mora last time out which is pretty impressive. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think his only loss is against Yamanaka, which is hardly something to be ashamed of.:yep I swear people think fighters drop their "prospect" tag just because they've lost a fight sometimes.

I've always liked Felix Diaz but god his career has moved slowly. He turned pro the year after he won gold in Beijing and hasn't really progressed much at all. He was supposed to fight Nuzhenko at one point, who isn't all that but it was a significant enough step up in competition, which under the condition he came through unscathed I hoped was a sign he was beginning his gradual rise through the ranks. Hope he gets a move on now, he's in his late 20's at this stage.

Gilberto Ramirez Sanchez is supposedly a very promising fighter though I can't say I've seen much of him(not through lack of trying, mind. Unless I'm missing something obvious actual footage of him fighting is sparse in quantity). From the limited amount I've come across he looks pretty leaky defensively, but tidy on the attack. Physical dimensions are impressive too.

Leo Santa Cruz is obviously way past prospect level at this stage but I'm quite proud I latched onto him before a lot of people on this side of the world seemed to.:yep
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For the year that he has had, Yukinori Oguni definitely deserved a mention. I can't gauge what level he will reach - I've only seen one of his early fights, a struggle with Eric Rapada - but successfully defending the equivalent of the European title against three solid opponents (especially the world rated Serie, who he dominated according to reports) is very impressive. Plus, he has only had ten fights!

Others from Japan to watch out for in 2013 include Naoya Inoue, Ryosuke Iwasa, Sho Ishida, Kenichi Ogawa (interesting to see how he'll bounce back from his first loss), Kyotaro Fujimoto, Tomoki Kameda, Kenji Kubo, and Keita Obara.

Thailand has a few guys coming through as ever. Jomthong Chuwatana is the standout, due to his rapid progression and Muay Thai background. He has only had four fights, but looks ready to challenge for world honours next year. Amnat Ruenroeng, a talented former Olympian boxer, is another guy being moved along fast (although that is mainly down to him being 33) and one to watch out for. I also like the look of Teerachai Kratingdaenggym, a 20-year old welterweight who also comes from a Muay Thai background.

From the Philippines, I've been watching Froilan 'The Sniper' Saludar for a long time. He only made steady progress this year, but I believe he is highly ranked by a few governing bodies so it'll be interesting to see how they move him in 2013. I wouldn't label him as a prospect, but Denver Cuello is, arguably, the best current Filipino fighter not to have challenged for a 'world' title. That will change next year when he faces Xiong Zhao Zhong, a fight he should be a big favourite in.

I don't really follow the African boxing scene too much, but Zolani Tete is a talented fighter that I like the look of despite him losing three of his last six contests. I've seen Bongo Lipembo receive quite a bit of hype, but his career seems to have stagnated despite talk of him fighting in the USA this year. And Thabiso Mchunu won the Super 8 cruiserweight tournament in South Africa this year, so he is worthy of a mention.

Others that I'm watching include Wale Omotoso, Jack Culcay, Fedor Papazov, the Arroyo twins, and Carlos Ivan Velasquez.

Err, sorry for going on...:p
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woah nelly, that's great stuff. Cheers. Where do you usually watch these guys?
 
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