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·Had Ward taken on Bute and then won a belt at 175. While Dawson rematches Pascal and picks up another title???
How big a fight could Ward vs Dawson have been?
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This.
I don't think it would be any bigger. I think both would have been favourites (even despite Pascal winning the first) and I don't think we would be looking at either boxer as better than they are now. They still wouldn't seel a big fight because both are so boring, in and out the ring.
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I think it would have been a lot bigger.
If Ward had beat Bute instead of Froch that would mean a lot. Added to that moving up and getting a title in a higher weight. Then Dawson beating Pascal, yeah it would have made the fight much bigger than having it at 168 in the current situation imo.
If Ward had beat Bute instead of Froch that would mean a lot. Added to that moving up and getting a title in a higher weight. Then Dawson beating Pascal, yeah it would have made the fight much bigger than having it at 168 in the current situation imo.
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The problem with Ward is that he's an absolute cock-smoker. I can't imagine him generating a lot of fans, regardless of how supremely talented he is. This is assuming you mean how big it would be in terms of revenue, or audience as opposed to the significance of the bout for the sport.
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It would have been a lot bigger if they'd both won those fights, and at 175 it's just a better fight. No reason to have it at 168. If Ward wins he will have to move up as unless Dirrell suddenly becomes relevant again there is nothing for him. If Dawson somehow wins the only fight for him at 68 is Froch.
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I wonder how big it could've been if boxing fans cared about watching skill over uneducated, no-ducking, no blocking, no lateral movement aggression.
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·I think theres allot more options for Dawson if we wins than Ward.
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Is there much skill on show here? Define skill in a boxing sense, ward is messy and will maul his way to a points win never shaking Dawson, whilst Dawson throws 4 punches per round
:nono Technical skills can be great to watch but they need to be matched right also. Having two guys who are never in exciting fights and have no personalities is always going to be a poor seller. I mean everyone expected Ward to beat Froch (most anyway) but at least there was a chance that Froch could draw him into a fight and make it exciting.
Of course maybes there styles will contradict the expectations and gel but most likely it'll be a dull affair with Ward cagily outboxing Dawson in a fight that sees more posturing than punches thrown.
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There's a difference between skills and styles, too often people think being an outboxer or counterpuncher is more skillful than infighting, which is not true
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Are you saying neither have been in exciting fights? I find Ward's performances to often be exciting, but they're not competitive enough for most. That I can understand. Now, to suggest that Dawson was never in an exciting fight, no offence, is simply ridiculous, to anyone who has ever seen at least Dawson/Johnson I. That was a dogfight, through and through, no ifs, no ands and no buts, mate. So, save your no-no emoticon. Harumph. And the Pascal fight had plenty of action also. But, whatever.
If you don't think they're both skilled operators or that skills will most likely be on display in a fight like this, I am truly beside myself as to what you think skill actually is.
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Are they any more skilled than other world level fighters? Maybe but tyson versus bowel would have been a great display of skill and would have been a totally different fight, ward is good at negating and has skills, but JMM is equally skilled imo
For Dawson I would say 6 of his last 8 have been extremely boring - well lets say 7 and discount Hopkins 1 because it never really got going.
For ward the only fight I've ever enjoyed that much was the Kessler fight, the Bika one wasn't to bad and every other world class fight has been pretty dull.
They just aren't exciting fighters, it doesn't make me like them any less and I rate both guys but they will only have a decent fight about 1 in 6 times.
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Dawson will never be a star. He's inherently dislikeable, can't maintain a world-class performance without forgetting he's in the ring, and has no fans of any note.
Ward is a superior fighter, but lacks the fire and grit to really make a statement in a fight, certainly not the sort that makes you a star. He lacks that Ray Leonard quality where you destroy opponents with silky smooth skills and devastating aggression and power.
Also, the God-bothering thing comes off weird.
Ward is a superior fighter, but lacks the fire and grit to really make a statement in a fight, certainly not the sort that makes you a star. He lacks that Ray Leonard quality where you destroy opponents with silky smooth skills and devastating aggression and power.
Also, the God-bothering thing comes off weird.
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Think @dftaylor sums up nicely why this is never a fight that transcends the spot or has massive fanfare attached to it.
Still an interesting one for the purists to mull over. Theres no doubt that on paper, and on video, Dawson presents some interesting questions of Ward he hasn't faced. Height, length, southpaw and speed.
I do just think Andre will find a way to outhustle him though. No matter how, he'll find a way. He does at the best of times but Dawson is exploitable in this sense, he's to put it mildly...dopey.
Still an interesting one for the purists to mull over. Theres no doubt that on paper, and on video, Dawson presents some interesting questions of Ward he hasn't faced. Height, length, southpaw and speed.
I do just think Andre will find a way to outhustle him though. No matter how, he'll find a way. He does at the best of times but Dawson is exploitable in this sense, he's to put it mildly...dopey.
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And is hardly Mr Aggression either. He'll find a way inside and sit on Dawson's chest. Shit, when even Glen Johnson stops Alan Green, you need to rethink your style.
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