[Earl-Hickey]

People are probably going to start calling for this if both win their next fights.

But personally id rather not see it yet.

Fury is two fights from wbc mandatory, Haye probably two away from wba mandator .

Why wipe a title shot out for one of them?

It's a long shot but there is a chance of a big unificaton next summer, I believe fury will win the wbc title within a year, and Haye is one punch from beating Wladimir, why not look to set that up rather than some non title domestic dust up?

If all the belts are involved it'd be a Wembley job

 

[Roe]

Why would you care about whether there's some tacky Argos belt up for grabs? :huh

 

[Earl-Hickey]

Why would you care about whether there's some tacky Argos belt up for grabs? :huh

It just means more big fights.

I'd rather see fury vs Vitali, Haye vs wlad and the winners fight.

Or it'll be Haye vs fury and the winner fights wlad

Three bigguns instead of two

 

[Lunny]

The only reason I'd want it is because I don't like Fury...

 

[Back to Bill]

Why would you care about whether there's some tacky Argos belt up for grabs? :huh

Well said.

 

[Roe]

It just means more big fights.

I'd rather see fury vs Vitali, Haye vs wlad and the winners fight.

Or it'll be Haye vs fury and the winner fights wlad

Three bigguns instead of two

That doesn't even make sense. You know Vitali and Wlad would probably both win right? and then they wouldn't fight each other anyway.

Only thing a belt would add to a fight like Haye vs Fury is bullshit. If one of them is the legitimate champ then fair enough it'll be for a title.

If you were just a random guy on the street I can see why you might think it'd be better with "a belt" but you're meant to be a boxing fan, on a serious lol boxing forum.

 

[Back to Bill]

Wanting one of theses paper straps on the line is totally the wrong attitude imo. People should be doing all they can to ignore them, it should always be about the quality of the fight, how many decent match ups could have been made over the years but have not happened because they was waiting for one of the fighters to be a ''world champion'' first.

It's bullshit and the sooner people start to realise that, boxing as a whole, suffers and loses out.

 

[Earl-Hickey]

That doesn't even make sense. You know Vitali and Wlad would probably both win right? and then they wouldn't fight each other anyway.

Only thing a belt would add to a fight like Haye vs Fury is bullshit. If one of them is the legitimate champ then fair enough it'll be for a title.

If you were just a random guy on the street I can see why you might think it'd be better with "a belt" but you're meant to be a boxing fan, on a serious lol boxing forum.

I don't think Vitali would beat Fury.

He has not looked impressive in years, and Fury did better against the common opponents.

Fury is not a Manuel Charr or a Dereck Chisora, a Thomas Adamek or a Shannon Briggs. He's a legitimate young contender, the type which Vitali hasn't fought since...well... I don't remember when. And Vitali is getting older by the day.

Vitali is living off a reputation he built a decade ago, in truth he's not head and shoulders above the rest of the division anymore, he's one of a few guys who could all beat each other, but he only fights fringe contenders.

I know it's easy to say "belts mean nothing" but they do.

Like I say people get too obsessed with domestic dust-ups on here, like I say, fight when it's for something.

 

[Chatty]

What difference does a belt mean these days - there all meaningless trinkets - the boxers make for how good a fight is, not a bloody sanctioning body.

 

[JamieC]

I think Fury would take Vitali now, hes asking to lose to the next decent contender hes in with imo, and the only benefit to having a WBC trinket or WBA regular :lol: on the line is they might be able to force Wlads hand to fight for the actual belt

 

[Earl-Hickey]

What difference does a belt mean these days - there all meaningless trinkets - the boxers make for how good a fight is, not a bloody sanctioning body.

They mean a lot.

They help sell the fight, they get the casuals interested, they add to ones legacy.

I know we all hate the sanctioning bodies, but non-title fights are not as big as title fights, especially amongst casuals, who lets face it are the ones who buy most of the tickets, and get sky the viewing figures. Which is what our sport needs to thrive.

 

[BUMPY]

I watched Fury v Johnson again last night, people are looking into that win too much, Johnson wasn't there to win, and Fury still made a lot of mistakes. Haye would do a total destruction job on Fury, I mean I'd worry for Fury's health.

 

[Earl-Hickey]

Put it this way, how does this compare for the casuals (again, the ones who pay 90% of the money)

"In the Blue Corner, the WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world!!!!"

or

"In the Blue Corner, a good heavyweight"

not the same. just not the same, like it or not

 

[JamieC]

Put it this way, how does this compare for the casuals (again, the ones who pay 90% of the money)

"In the Blue Corner, the WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world!!!!"

or

"In the Blue Corner, a good heavyweight"

not the same. just not the same, like it or not

Haye vs Chisora?

 

[Chatty]

They mean a lot.

They help sell the fight, they get the casuals interested, they add to ones legacy.

I know we all hate the sanctioning bodies, but non-title fights are not as big as title fights, especially amongst casuals, who lets face it are the ones who buy most of the tickets, and get sky the viewing figures. Which is what our sport needs to thrive.

Haye v Chisora - no belt
Mayweather v Mosley - no belt
Pacquaio v Marquez IV - no belt
yadda yadda yadda

They mean shit. This fight would be bigger now than it would be after fury has been knocked out of one of the K bros and he'd make more money fighting Haye. They both talk a load of horse shot so it would sell massively. A ot of people outside the UK will have little interest in this whether there is a belt or not. Simply put, theres more money in this fight with an unbeaten fury than a Fury that has already been exposed.

 

[Back to Bill]

Put it this way, how does this compare for the casuals (again, the ones who pay 90% of the money)

"In the Blue Corner, the WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world!!!!"

or

"In the Blue Corner, a good heavyweight"

not the same. just not the same, like it or not

I don't care about anybody else but myself mate, I honestly could not give a flying fuck about a casual fan and what they might think, I'm not about to accept insanity and it is insanity when it comes to world titles because a casual fan not might watch.

 

[Earl-Hickey]

I watched Fury v Johnson again last night, people are looking into that win too much, Johnson wasn't there to win, and Fury still made a lot of mistakes. Haye would do a total destruction job on Fury, I mean I'd worry for Fury's health.

He was there to win until he realised Fury was not just this big stiff chump that everyone thinks he is.

He was there to win until he kept getting a jab stuck in his face

He was there to win until he couldn't cope with the speed, movement and skill

There is always an excuse for every single one of Fury's wins, the fact is people are STILL sleeping on him.

Fury is not a big stiff idiot like David Price, he is not uncouth and unskilled, he is not just size and a right hand.

The kid is an athlete (yes, seriously), he's got a lot of skill, he might be one of the most naturally gifted big men in the sport (yes i'm serious)

I don't know if he is going to be able to keep motivation, and keep putting in the work to maximise his talent, (he has mentality issues) but trust me if he maxes his potential in 2-3 years he is going to be a problem for anyone.

 

[Chatty]

The casuals don't gove a shit about belts, they gave up on them as soon as someone told them there was 746 world chmpions in each weight. They haven't got a clue who the champions are and they don't care. they also couldn't give a fuck about Michael Buffers announcing. The papers sell the fights so all they have to do is talk up how they hate each other and are gonna snap each others necks etc and thats all the gullible public needs to hand over their cash.

Both these guys will talk shit so they don't need a belt.

 

[Earl-Hickey]

Haye vs Chisora?

Was a big fight because of the brawl.

Would have been bigger if it was also for the world title (stamford bridge instead of west ham)

Just like Haye vs Wlad was bigger than Haye vs Chisora (and that didn't have the brawl to sell it, just a few words and some title belts)

 

[JamieC]

Was a big fight because of the brawl.

Would have been bigger if it was also for the world title (stamford bridge instead of west ham)

Just like Haye vs Wlad was bigger than Haye vs Chisora (and that didn't have the brawl to sell it, just a few words and some title belts)

I doubt it tbh it was massive all over mainstream media without the belt, Brits love a domestic dust up regardless of belt. the brawl sold it, im sure Haye and Fury between them could easily sell a fight without a belt to the level of Haye vs Chisora. And Haye vs Wlad is different, it was for the belt, not a couple of belts or a belt, it was for the undisputed title, which actually matters and only Wlad is a world champion