My top 5 would be
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
if you were to rank on the eye test...
Forgetting the traditional approach to ranking fighters, if we were rank guys purely on how they look on film, what would your top ten look like?
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:lol::-(
No wonder the standard of Maths in schools is going down the toilet...
I'm not decided on places 6-10
It is difficult to single down and maybe the only way to begin splitting is based on quality of opponents beaten.Hmm, it would maybe be something like (just off the top of my head and in no order):
Robinson
Duran
Pep
Ali
Louis
Jones jr
Napoles
Whitaker
Chang
Leonard (SRL)
That was so difficult to single it down because there are so many that impress me on film at their best. As I say though that was off the top of my head.
I agree @orriray59
I reckon based on how good a guy looks at the top level, with a degree of consistency and a consideration of how good the men defeated I'd go for a bit of:
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones Jr
Armstrong
B. Leonard
Duran
R. Leonard
Hearns
Pep
Ali
Napoles
Hagler
Sanchez
Chavez
Louis
As a top 15. Chang, Lopez, Kalambay, Tyson, Liston, Foreman, McClarnin, Kalambay, Jofre, Harada might make up my next 10.
I reckon based on how good a guy looks at the top level, with a degree of consistency and a consideration of how good the men defeated I'd go for a bit of:
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones Jr
Armstrong
B. Leonard
Duran
R. Leonard
Hearns
Pep
Ali
Napoles
Hagler
Sanchez
Chavez
Louis
As a top 15. Chang, Lopez, Kalambay, Tyson, Liston, Foreman, McClarnin, Kalambay, Jofre, Harada might make up my next 10.
I dont think Pac ever looked as impressive as liston did against Floyd. And I don't think he ever dominated a prime great on the level of Floyd.I dunno if I'd rate Liston with those men despite his two KO1's over Floyd Patterson.
Y'know, Pacquiao beat the shit out of an all-time great in devastating fashion. Just throwing that name out there.
I'm sure there are plenty of guys more deserving than the top 25 I listed but that's why I began the thread. I prefer ranking like this as it's more enjoyable than trawling t'internet studying records.
what I meant was say two guys look brilliant on film but one guy looks brilliant against better opposition, he's the one I'd rank higher. You feel me?I'm more of the line of thinking that the focus is more on resume/quality of opposition beaten when ranking fighters by greatness and legacy whereas when it comes to a topic like this it's more so that the focus is purely on footage. Of course quality of defeated opponents is important but I don't think that's the overriding criteria on a thread like this one. Defo of importance though
The thing abiut skills is interesting because you have aesthetically pleasing guys who look untouchable like Jones, then you have brutally efficient guys like Rocky. Who's to say the former is a "better" fighter?I get what you're saying luf, as I say quality of opposition is defo important here. I thought I read your post as saying its maybe the only way to assess them but I just read back and saw that your post said its maybe the only way to split them, so I don't disagree with that. I do think though that when dealing with who is the best on the eyes we're probably dealing with too many separate skills on display etc for it to really come to that. But yeah I see what you're saying, potentially if two guys were putting on more or less identical displays but one guy was doing it against a world class fighter whereas the other was doin it to a journeyman then yeah my nod would go to the former.
Tough call for me because finding a way to win is a skill itself.
Same with Louis. Guys like Monzon and Louis were just a picture of composure in the ring because their belief was always they would break their man down.
In terms of facing guys your own size rocky would struggle to come up against better boxers than he actually faced and all of them ended up being stopped no matter how the fight started off.
Slick and Black is always an easy choice to go with but these hard working guys who chopped away at the tree relentlessly and effectively are every bit as good in my opinion. Sure they never danced and looked breathtaking in their but at the end of the fight their glove was still raised all the same.
In terms of facing guys your own size rocky would struggle to come up against better boxers than he actually faced and all of them ended up being stopped no matter how the fight started off.
Slick and Black is always an easy choice to go with but these hard working guys who chopped away at the tree relentlessly and effectively are every bit as good in my opinion. Sure they never danced and looked breathtaking in their but at the end of the fight their glove was still raised all the same.
you think jofre looks better than Jones?
You must be the first person I spoke to who wasn't impressed by Jones!
I'm not even convinced Whittaker deserves to be above him.
I'm not even convinced Whittaker deserves to be above him.
Fenech > Chavez?
Not sure I see that one flea.
Not sure I see that one flea.
So if I rank firstly on how good a fighter looks on film and secondly on the highest level of opposition they were able to defeat, my top tier probably looks like this (not properly ordered)
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
R Leonard
Napoles
B Leonard
Kalambay
Mayweather
Lopez
Jofre
Pep
Ali
Louis
Liston
Hagler
Monzon
Harada
Chang
Not sure whether to include Gomez,Marc Johnson and Chavez in that list.
But I think that's my top tier the best 17 fighters ive ever seen on film. I'd then split them on level of opposition. Anyone look out of place on that list (flea you can't mention Floyd:lol
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
R Leonard
Napoles
B Leonard
Kalambay
Mayweather
Lopez
Jofre
Pep
Ali
Louis
Liston
Hagler
Monzon
Harada
Chang
Not sure whether to include Gomez,Marc Johnson and Chavez in that list.
But I think that's my top tier the best 17 fighters ive ever seen on film. I'd then split them on level of opposition. Anyone look out of place on that list (flea you can't mention Floyd:lol
I know my inclusion of liston and ommission of arguello could be a bit strange but the truth is, Ali aside, liston never really had a competitive fight. He decimated all who stood in his way. He was a force of nature.
I think I do as well mate, Rosario, Haugen, Camacho, all top level performances.
My mind's blank and I'm hungover, I'll probably feel like a tit for asking this but who is M Johnson?
:lol:Glad Marc Johnson got a shout out too, what a fighter
Yeah Gomez should be in, not sure who to take out for him. Then again I might just make my top tier 26 large instead of 25 :lol:
Gomez>Liston
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