what I meant was say two guys look brilliant on film but one guy looks brilliant against better opposition, he's the one I'd rank higher. You feel me?
if you were to rank on the eye test...
Forgetting the traditional approach to ranking fighters, if we were rank guys purely on how they look on film, what would your top ten look like?
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I get what you're saying luf, as I say quality of opposition is defo important here. I thought I read your post as saying its maybe the only way to assess them but I just read back and saw that your post said its maybe the only way to split them, so I don't disagree with that. I do think though that when dealing with who is the best on the eyes we're probably dealing with too many separate skills on display etc for it to really come to that. But yeah I see what you're saying, potentially if two guys were putting on more or less identical displays but one guy was doing it against a world class fighter whereas the other was doin it to a journeyman then yeah my nod would go to the former.what I meant was say two guys look brilliant on film but one guy looks brilliant against better opposition, he's the one I'd rank higher. You feel me?
The thing abiut skills is interesting because you have aesthetically pleasing guys who look untouchable like Jones, then you have brutally efficient guys like Rocky. Who's to say the former is a "better" fighter?I get what you're saying luf, as I say quality of opposition is defo important here. I thought I read your post as saying its maybe the only way to assess them but I just read back and saw that your post said its maybe the only way to split them, so I don't disagree with that. I do think though that when dealing with who is the best on the eyes we're probably dealing with too many separate skills on display etc for it to really come to that. But yeah I see what you're saying, potentially if two guys were putting on more or less identical displays but one guy was doing it against a world class fighter whereas the other was doin it to a journeyman then yeah my nod would go to the former.
Tough call for me because finding a way to win is a skill itself.
Exactly, and very good point on your last sentence. It all comes down to effectiveness ultimately. :goodThe thing abiut skills is interesting because you have aesthetically pleasing guys who look untouchable like Jones, then you have brutally efficient guys like Rocky. Who's to say the former is a "better" fighter?
Tough call for me because finding a way to win is a skill itself.
I guess that puts guys like Monzon in a better position than they have been thus far in this thread
Thing about Monzon is at times watching him feels like butchering your eyes but he's undeniably a brilliant fighter on film. He oozed effectiveness, no matter who he fought, or what style. Rarely lost his composure.
Same with Louis. Guys like Monzon and Louis were just a picture of composure in the ring because their belief was always they would break their man down.
In terms of facing guys your own size rocky would struggle to come up against better boxers than he actually faced and all of them ended up being stopped no matter how the fight started off.
Slick and Black is always an easy choice to go with but these hard working guys who chopped away at the tree relentlessly and effectively are every bit as good in my opinion. Sure they never danced and looked breathtaking in their but at the end of the fight their glove was still raised all the same.
In terms of facing guys your own size rocky would struggle to come up against better boxers than he actually faced and all of them ended up being stopped no matter how the fight started off.
Slick and Black is always an easy choice to go with but these hard working guys who chopped away at the tree relentlessly and effectively are every bit as good in my opinion. Sure they never danced and looked breathtaking in their but at the end of the fight their glove was still raised all the same.
Well I think Monzon looks great on film, I don't just mean that to sound all high and mighty, he looks great to me if not for anything else but his performances which display his domination. On Louis, he just looks amazing flat out IMO. Probably the greatest finisher of all time in any weight division.
I also think Monzon looks outstanding.
LouisForgetting the traditional approach to ranking fighters, if we were rank guys purely on how they look on film, what would your top ten look like?
Jofre
SRL
SRR
Whitaker
These 5 are easily the best ones in this criteria IMO...
you think jofre looks better than Jones?
Yes, I´m looking biased saying this but I never was as impressed watching Jones as most people....don´t get me wrong, he was awesome, but many of his performances were not great....I think Jones was inaccurate with his punches more than people like to think, he didn´t land that much most of the time.....that´s something that always prevented me to put him as one of the greatest on film like people like Jofre or SRL for instance......
If I make a top 10 Jones probably is on the list though...
If I make a top 10 Jones probably is on the list though...
You must be the first person I spoke to who wasn't impressed by Jones!
I'm not even convinced Whittaker deserves to be above him.
I'm not even convinced Whittaker deserves to be above him.
It's mad because technically he's probably one of the worst boxers to become an ATG ever but that really is why the superman moniker was so appropriate for me because this was a guy who really wasn't technically sound at all but could do some tremendous things in the ring. It's also crazy how regardless of him being technically relatively poor he was still a great ring general who dominated the ring. His physical attributes made for amazing viewing for me.Yes, I´m looking biased saying this but I never was as impressed watching Jones as most people....don´t get me wrong, he was awesome, but many of his performances were not great....I think Jones was inaccurate with his punches more than people like to think, he didn´t land that much most of the time.....that´s something that always prevented me to put him as one of the greatest on film like people like Jofre or SRL for instance......
If I make a top 10 Jones probably is on the list though...
In the first Jofre fight with Harada there's that period of the fight around round 11 possibly if my memory is right where Harada is lacing him badly and then Jofre comes back with a combination of punches which is one of the most beautiful displays of accurate punching I've seen on film
Nice post. Bad avatar. haha jkIn the first Jofre fight with Harada there's that period of the fight around round 11 possibly if my memory is right where Harada is lacing him badly and then Jofre comes back with a combination of punches which is one of the most beautiful displays of accurate punching I've seen on film
@lufcrazy I´m not saying I´m not impressed with Jones....I am. But I simply more impressed with others......
As I've said on the other site (in no particular order, just as they come to me)
Kalambay
Chang
Duran
Robinson
Marcel
Whitaker
Jones
Fenech
Louis
Hagler
Conteh at times but wasn't consistent enough in his application. SOOOOOOOOOOO (yes I just did that) many fighters but these ten are the first that spring to mind, until I remember some shocking omissions and change it up.
Joe Louis remains the greatest puncher of all time, with Arguello a close second, but they had functional feet rather than being able to diversify their application with them. Nothing wrong with that of course. Still, I've plumped for Louis>Tyson, and Arguello loses out for the first Vilomar fight and the Ramirez fight, which showed the blueprint on how to beat him (first six rounds of Chacon as well)
Kalambay
Chang
Duran
Robinson
Marcel
Whitaker
Jones
Fenech
Louis
Hagler
Conteh at times but wasn't consistent enough in his application. SOOOOOOOOOOO (yes I just did that) many fighters but these ten are the first that spring to mind, until I remember some shocking omissions and change it up.
Joe Louis remains the greatest puncher of all time, with Arguello a close second, but they had functional feet rather than being able to diversify their application with them. Nothing wrong with that of course. Still, I've plumped for Louis>Tyson, and Arguello loses out for the first Vilomar fight and the Ramirez fight, which showed the blueprint on how to beat him (first six rounds of Chacon as well)
Fenech > Chavez?
Not sure I see that one flea.
Not sure I see that one flea.
On punchers I just want to add Olivares too but you already guessed that :lol:As I've said on the other site (in no particular order, just as they come to me)
Kalambay
Chang
Duran
Robinson
Marcel
Whitaker
Jones
Fenech
Louis
Hagler
Conteh at times but wasn't consistent enough in his application. SOOOOOOOOOOO (yes I just did that) many fighters but these ten are the first that spring to mind, until I remember some shocking omissions and change it up.
Joe Louis remains the greatest puncher of all time, with Arguello a close second, but they had functional feet rather than being able to diversify their application with them. Nothing wrong with that of course. Still, I've plumped for Louis>Tyson, and Arguello loses out for the first Vilomar fight and the Ramirez fight, which showed the blueprint on how to beat him (first six rounds of Chacon as well)
So if I rank firstly on how good a fighter looks on film and secondly on the highest level of opposition they were able to defeat, my top tier probably looks like this (not properly ordered)
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
R Leonard
Napoles
B Leonard
Kalambay
Mayweather
Lopez
Jofre
Pep
Ali
Louis
Liston
Hagler
Monzon
Harada
Chang
Not sure whether to include Gomez,Marc Johnson and Chavez in that list.
But I think that's my top tier the best 17 fighters ive ever seen on film. I'd then split them on level of opposition. Anyone look out of place on that list (flea you can't mention Floyd:lol
Robinson
Whittaker
Jones
Armstrong
Duran
R Leonard
Napoles
B Leonard
Kalambay
Mayweather
Lopez
Jofre
Pep
Ali
Louis
Liston
Hagler
Monzon
Harada
Chang
Not sure whether to include Gomez,Marc Johnson and Chavez in that list.
But I think that's my top tier the best 17 fighters ive ever seen on film. I'd then split them on level of opposition. Anyone look out of place on that list (flea you can't mention Floyd:lol
I know my inclusion of liston and ommission of arguello could be a bit strange but the truth is, Ali aside, liston never really had a competitive fight. He decimated all who stood in his way. He was a force of nature.
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