[scribbs]

Boxing is a muddle with all the titles that are on offer, Numerous sanctioning bodies offering belts willy nilly, from proper titles to interim, silver, regular, emeritus, international, incontinental, regional etc. In the insane world of belt holders, the Ring belt has been seen as the one fighters would like to have, as recognition of being the man of the division.

But, lately the policy was changed in order to have more belts occupied. GBP has been accused of turning the magazine into a propaganda rag & there have been concerns that the policy change will basically start to benefit his stable of fighters.

At present we have

H - Wladmir Klitscho
C - Yoan Pablo Hernandez
LH - Chad Dawson
SM - Andre Ward
M - Sergio Martinez
LM - Saul Alvarez
W - Floyd Mayweather
LW - Danny Garcia
L - Vacant
JL - Vacant
F - Mikey Garcia
JF - Guillermo Rigondeaux
B - Vacant
JB - Vacant
F - Akira Yaegashi
JFY - Vacant
STW - Vacant

Taking from the list I was not aware Saul Alvarez was classed as the Ring champ, I thought PBF was the no.1 in the division if I'm correct so the No.2 & 3 contenders would have fought for it in their "unification" fight. A disputed title for some is the Fly title held by Akira Yaegashi, who holds the WBC & Lineal version, but who beat a weak holder & has competition from Juan Estrada, the WBA & WBO champ who some rate as the No.1 for that weight group. I have no problem with Yaegashi being the champ but it does highlight an issue, the champ is not always seen as the real deal in their particular division.

From the list I have highlighted the fighters who I would certainly agree as the being the champ for whatever reason but that's my personal view, the others not so sure due to not fighting all available contenders or being installed as champ just to fill vacancy.

What are your thoughts on the current list & do you see the belt as being another trinket?

 

[Roe]

The main problem is that recently their rankings have just been getting worse. In general though, they still have the best champions. It's hard to disagree too much with any of the current holders.

 

[Vano-irons]

I agree with Roe. The actual champions are ok, but their rankings as a whole are utter dogshite. Broner as #5 p4p is brilliant, as is the inclusion of Bradley in the top 10, when he is something like 8th in the welterweight rankings

 

[scribbs]

The main problem is that recently their rankings have just been getting worse. In general though, they still have the best champions. It's hard to disagree too much with any of the current holders.

I agree with Roe. The actual champions are ok, but their rankings as a whole are utter dogshite. Broner as #5 p4p is brilliant, as is the inclusion of Bradley in the top 10, when he is something like 8th in the welterweight rankings

Interesting, so would you guys say the belt is less valuable due to the ratings being shit?

 

[Chatty]

Its getting less valuable. The champs are still ok for now but you can see them squeaking changes in where before it was real strict. I think eventually gbp will go off on there own, only inter promote and have there own belt a propaganda rag. Theyll be like the ufc but not as good as boxing fans dont subscribe to that bollocks (closing promotions off not ufc).

 

[Vano-irons]

Interesting, so would you guys say the belt is less valuable due to the ratings being shit?

In a way, yes. If, for argument sake, Burns beats Abril, I think he should be considered a ring champion, as I think both should be rated higher than Vazquez (assuming that Broner no longer applies with the move up in weight). But Vazquez is rated above the pair of them. Again, this isn't a huge outrage as a case can be made for Miguel. But you get what I mean

 

[Roe]

Interesting, so would you guys say the belt is less valuable due to the ratings being shit?

I guess it doesn't make much difference, seeing as their rankings outside the top 2 or 3 are mostly meaningless due to their being no mandatorys or anything.

Probably the biggest issue actually is that the title still doesn't get proper recognition anyway. People will still refer to Wlad as IBF/WBO/IBO/WBA Super/ZBYBZABZVA champion rather than the ring or real world champion.

 

[BoxingAnalyst]

The main problem is that recently their rankings have just been getting worse. In general though, they still have the best champions. It's hard to disagree too much with any of the current holders.

So true.

 

[kingkodi]

Like others have said, the belt holders are pretty fair but the rankings are shite.

 

[scribbs]

In a way, yes. If, for argument sake, Burns beats Abril, I think he should be considered a ring champion, as I think both should be rated higher than Vazquez (assuming that Broner no longer applies with the move up in weight). But Vazquez is rated above the pair of them. Again, this isn't a huge outrage as a case can be made for Miguel. But you get what I mean

Yep certainly do.

 

[scribbs]

I guess it doesn't make much difference, seeing as their rankings outside the top 2 or 3 are mostly meaningless due to their being no mandatorys or anything.

Probably the biggest issue actually is that the title still doesn't get proper recognition anyway. People will still refer to Wlad as IBF/WBO/IBO/WBA Super/ZBYBZABZVA champion rather than the ring or real world champion.

:rofl

 

[adamcanavan]

The champions are ok but the rabkings are not and in the long term having those bad rankings will lead to having bad champions as i assume they pick the champs based from their rankings and beating other people in them

 

[Batkilt]

Boxing is a muddle with all the titles that are on offer, Numerous sanctioning bodies offering belts willy nilly, from proper titles to interim, silver, regular, emeritus, international, incontinental, regional etc. In the insane world of belt holders, the Ring belt has been seen as the one fighters would like to have, as recognition of being the man of the division.

But, lately the policy was changed in order to have more belts occupied. GBP has been accused of turning the magazine into a propaganda rag & there have been concerns that the policy change will basically start to benefit his stable of fighters.

At present we have

H - Wladmir Klitscho
C - Yoan Pablo Hernandez
LH - Chad Dawson
SM - Andre Ward
M - Sergio Martinez
LM - Saul Alvarez
W - Floyd Mayweather
LW - Danny Garcia
L - Vacant
JL - Vacant
F - Mikey Garcia
JF - Guillermo Rigondeaux
B - Vacant
JB - Vacant
F - Akira Yaegashi
JFY - Vacant
STW - Vacant

Taking from the list I was not aware Saul Alvarez was classed as the Ring champ, I thought PBF was the no.1 in the division if I'm correct so the No.2 & 3 contenders would have fought for it in their "unification" fight. A disputed title for some is the Fly title held by Akira Yaegashi, who holds the WBC & Lineal version, but who beat a weak holder & has competition from Juan Estrada, the WBA & WBO champ who some rate as the No.1 for that weight group. I have no problem with Yaegashi being the champ but it does highlight an issue, the champ is not always seen as the real deal in their particular division.

From the list I have highlighted the fighters who I would certainly agree as the being the champ for whatever reason but that's my personal view, the others not so sure due to not fighting all available contenders or being installed as champ just to fill vacancy.

What are your thoughts on the current list & do you see the belt as being another trinket?

I don't see where the dispute is tbh. Yaegashi is the World Flyweight Champion by virtue of beating the man who beat the man etc. The World Champion isn't always going to be the best in the division. Such is the way combat sports work.

To me a disputed title is where there's no clear lineage but a multitude of alphabelt holders.

The main problem is that recently their rankings have just been getting worse. In general though, they still have the best champions. It's hard to disagree too much with any of the current holders.

I agree. There's blatant bias in their rankings too. Broner always being rated so highly at 130 and he and Guerrero as two of the ten best in the world? Suck a fat dick, Oscar. Preferably while not in drag.

Its getting less valuable. The champs are still ok for now but you can see them squeaking changes in where before it was real strict. I think eventually gbp will go off on there own, only inter promote and have there own belt a propaganda rag. Theyll be like the ufc but not as good as boxing fans dont subscribe to that bollocks (closing promotions off not ufc).

Oscar has spoken of his "admiration" of Zuffa's model in the past. GBP want that sort of monopoly. When Arum dies they might try to start putting it into action, but his son-in-law seems to know that they need to find ways to appeal to a younger audience in some respects.

I think that's a big part of why Schaefer has become more outspoken about the Klitschkos fighting in Germany too. That sort of monopoly really won't work when the best heavyweights fight in Europe and don't need you.

Not that I think it'd work anyway tbh.

 

[JamieC]

Its getting less valuable. The champs are still ok for now but you can see them squeaking changes in where before it was real strict. I think eventually gbp will go off on there own, only inter promote and have there own belt a propaganda rag. Theyll be like the ufc but not as good as boxing fans dont subscribe to that bollocks (closing promotions off not ufc).

I've often thought this might not actually be a bad way to go. They would have to get more stars but a Dana White style benevolent dictator (he's not perfect) who has control over the proper belt and basically forces matches to happen and has a monopoly over promotion etc is what we all cry out for. Im not saying it has to be GBP, TR could do it or someone, but if they got enough top 10 fighters over a spread of divisions and tied them into contracts etc it could work that we actually get somewhere as other promotions would die off. Obviously, you'd still get anomalies like Fedor being p4p no1 and MMA legend and not being UFC champion but still it's been fairly successful in showing who is the best fighter in the world and forcing them to fight the best.

It's unlikely to happen unless there's a monumental shift or a billionaire wants to save boxing but still

 

[scribbs]

I don't see where the dispute is tbh. Yaegashi is the World Flyweight Champion by virtue of beating the man who beat the man etc. The World Champion isn't always going to be the best in the division. Such is the way combat sports work.

To me a disputed title is where there's no clear lineage but a multitude of alphabelt holders.
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I agree that he is the champ from beating the man who beat the man etc, that's why I highlighted him. I've seen it argued that Viloria was the the top man after beating Marquez so Estrada would now be top man.

 

[scribbs]

I've often thought this might not actually be a bad way to go. They would have to get more stars but a Dana White style benevolent dictator (he's not perfect) who has control over the proper belt and basically forces matches to happen and has a monopoly over promotion etc is what we all cry out for. Im not saying it has to be GBP, TR could do it or someone, but if they got enough top 10 fighters over a spread of divisions and tied them into contracts etc it could work that we actually get somewhere as other promotions would die off. Obviously, you'd still get anomalies like Fedor being p4p no1 and MMA legend and not being UFC champion but still it's been fairly successful in showing who is the best fighter in the world and forcing them to fight the best.

It's unlikely to happen unless there's a monumental shift or a billionaire wants to save boxing but still

Like you stated, unlikely to happen. Too many countries with promoters who will look after their own interests. It is a Utopian concept & boxing could benefit from a UFC structure but it would be a closed shop, creating the Fedor situation you mentioned.

 

[Guest]

http://checkhookboxing.com/showthre...ivisional-World-Rankings-20th-May-2013-Update

If you want good rankings go to the link above.

The Ring is owned by Goldenboy. End of story really. Is Alvarez & Garcia the true champion at there weights, no chance.

 

[Guest]

Like you stated, unlikely to happen. Too many countries with promoters who will look after their own interests. It is a Utopian concept & boxing could benefit from a UFC structure but it would be a closed shop, creating the Fedor situation you mentioned.

Fedor is the only example where this happened, and that was more the fault of his team than the UFC.

 

[scribbs]

http://checkhookboxing.com/showthre...ivisional-World-Rankings-20th-May-2013-Update

If you want good rankings go to the link above.

The Ring is owned by Goldenboy. End of story really. Is Alvarez & Garcia the true champion at there weights, no chance.

Are these the official CHB rankings or just yours. I noticed @Roe stated rankings are basically pointless due them being circumnavigated by promoters, fighters & the like. I agree with this statement, they are now meaningless.

The thread was really about how people view the Ring belt at this present time, for me it's still the belt to aim for, but maybe tarnished due to what others have stated about their abysmal rankings & maybe become a title for GBP fighters in the future.

 

[Roe]

I've often thought this might not actually be a bad way to go. They would have to get more stars but a Dana White style benevolent dictator (he's not perfect) who has control over the proper belt and basically forces matches to happen and has a monopoly over promotion etc is what we all cry out for. Im not saying it has to be GBP, TR could do it or someone, but if they got enough top 10 fighters over a spread of divisions and tied them into contracts etc it could work that we actually get somewhere as other promotions would die off. Obviously, you'd still get anomalies like Fedor being p4p no1 and MMA legend and not being UFC champion but still it's been fairly successful in showing who is the best fighter in the world and forcing them to fight the best.

It's unlikely to happen unless there's a monumental shift or a billionaire wants to save boxing but still

I agree I'd quite like to see this kind of thing as well. There's already a split between Golden Boy/Showtime and Top Rank/HBO anyway, might as well make it more official and just run their own promotional sanctioning bodies, rather than splitting the profits to the likes of the WBC.