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Has Teofimo Lopez Jr left Top Rank?

No he is still with Top Rank has moved up a division to 140lbs and will be fighting Jose Pedraza next.

He never held all 4 of the main belts. Devin Haney held one.
 

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These people can't make up their minds it seems
In a nutshell. Lomachenko was mandated to fight the WBC interim champ he vacated the WBC title in order to fight Teofimo Lopez.and was made WBC franchise champ

When Teofimo Lopez beat Lomachenko he received the honorary title of WBC franchise champ. ( Whatever that is) And they elevated the interim champ Devin Haney to the full WBC champ.

Top Rank therefore promoted Lopez as undisputed. And ignored Haney whilst the media and everyone else did not recognise Lopez as Undisputed... Cus he had not fought Haney for all the marbles.

What changed is Haney signed a three fight deal with Top Rank before the first Kambosos fight. Top Rank fell in line with everybody else and recognised Haney as undisputed when he beat Kambosos for the other three titles.

Haney is next slated to fight Lomachenko.

I hope all that makes sense...lol.
 

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In a nutshell.
When Teofimo Lopez beat Lomachenko he received the honorary title of WBC franchise champ. ( Whatever that is) And they elevated the interim champ Devin Haney to the full WBC champ.

Top Rank therefore promoted Lopez as undisputed. And ignored Haney whilst the media and everyone else did not recognise Lopez as Undisputed... Cus he had not fought Haney for all the marbles.

What changed is Haney signed a three fight deal with Top Rank before the first Kambosos fight. Top Rank fell in line with everybody else and recognised Haney as undisputed when he beat Kambosos for the other three titles.

Haney is next slated to fight Lomachenko.
Ah I see, so TL didn't leave but DH joined. Oh dear, this is terrible I mean you'd think they'd at least go back and edit the old video titles to make people like me look crazy and confused. I knew he was on the TR undisputed list at the time, now he's been dropped because they promote Haney? Nice.
 

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So Paul Butler was on talkSPORT recently (I just watched it now) and he's claiming that his next opponent Naoya Inoue has refused to sign up for VADA testing, well, that's what he said before doubling back and stating that he wouldn't for the Donaire fight implying that since he wouldn't for that fight he won't now either.

Butler will take on Inoue in Japan in December (I think it's the 3rd) but he's out here tacitly suggesting that Inoue is on drugs. I hope a lawsuit doesn't scupper the fight although I fully expect Inoue to make light work of the Brit.

Anyway I do have a question, i it because Inoue is the unified champion that he's not obligated to join the WBC's CBP? Or is Butler talking rubbish?
 

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So Paul Butler was on talkSPORT recently (I just watched it now) and he's claiming that his next opponent Naoya Inoue has refused to sign up for VADA testing, well, that's what he said before doubling back and stating that he wouldn't for the Donaire fight implying that since he wouldn't for that fight he won't now either.

Butler will take on Inoue in Japan in December (I think it's the 3rd) but he's out here tacitly suggesting that Inoue is on drugs. I hope a lawsuit doesn't scupper the fight although I fully expect Inoue to make light work of the Brit.

Anyway I do have a question, i it because Inoue is the unified champion that he's not obligated to join the WBC's CBP? Or is Butler talking rubbish?
I dont know what titles Inoue holds but if he holds a WBC title he will be part of the WBC CBP.

The extra VADA testing agreement is optional between fighters for a fight. And involves more random tests.

For example Conor Benn signed up for WBC CBP earlier this year. But for the fight with Chris Eubank jr signed up for extra testing by VADA for this particular fight on top of the WBC CBP.
 
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Ah I see, so TL didn't leave but DH joined. Oh dear, this is terrible I mean you'd think they'd at least go back and edit the old video titles to make people like me look crazy and confused. I knew he was on the TR undisputed list at the time, now he's been dropped because they promote Haney? Nice.
Its all semantics really but, it depends how you look at it Lopez did not win all the belts in the 4 belt era. And the made up WBC honorary Franchise title does not count.

The regular WBC title that Haney holds is the title that all champs have held through history. So he is undisputed by consensus recognised by everyone not just Top Rank. And he refused the so-called Franchise status.

On the flipside Teofimo Lopez argument was because Lomachenko had been elevated to WBC Franchise and had not lost the WBC regular world title in the ring therefore he deserves the undisputed champ title when he fought in a unification with him.
Kambosos also claimed to be undisputed champ when he beat Lopez.

Personally I think all three deserve the title of undisputed and should not be penalised for the corruption and incompetence of the WBC. But I would be in the minority.

So long story short the history books will only recognise Haney as the first
Unifies champ in the four belt era. And the first undisputed Lightweight champ since Pernell Whitaker.

What promotional outfits like Top Rank and Matchroom say on this matter is irrelevant.

Hope that helps.
 

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I dont know what titles Inoue holds but if he holds a WBC title he will be part of the WBC CBP.

The extra VADA testing agreement is optional between fighters for a fight. And involves more random tests.

For example Conor Benn signed up for WBC CBP earlier this year. But for the fight with Chris Eubank jr signed up for extra testing by VADA for this particular fight on top of the WBC CBP.
He's the reigning WBC, WBA & IBF champion. So Butler must have been on about Inoue not paying £30'000 for extra testing but if he's enrolled in the CBP already what's the problem? He tried to smear him, luckily for him Inoue & his lawyers don't speak English

If Benn refused to sign up for more I wouldn't have criticised him at all, how many packages must one sign up for? The CBP is enough, didn't that catch Canelo?
 

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I dont know what titles Inoue holds but if he holds a WBC title he will be part of the WBC CBP.

The extra VADA testing agreement is optional between fighters for a fight. And involves more random tests.

For example Conor Benn signed up for WBC CBP earlier this year. But for the fight with Chris Eubank jr signed up for extra testing by VADA for this particular fight on top of the WBC CBP.
The best testing is the voluntary VADA. If you are on the WBC CBP you might receive one random test in the course of the year or you might not get tested at all in that year.

To have proper and stringent testing there would need to be one worldwide commission. Like they have FIFA for football or ICC for cricket.

Even then people find ways around it.

Testing or no testing Paul Butler is getting knocked out.

All of this is deflection and mindgames.

For example last week Eddie Hearn tried to deflect the scenarion involving Conor Benn and said how much testing has Claressa Shields had for her upcoming fight with Marshall. Next minute you know all the comments on youtube were filled Eddie Hearn fan club about Shields not being tested on Youtube.

In anycase Lance Armstrong was the most tested Sports guy in history. He never failed a single test only finally got exposed because some body snitched on him.

The ones who find and pay the best experts will get away with it. According the Worlds leading expert and former producer of PED's turned whistleblower. Victor Conte.

The designer PED's are being produced all the time. What top athletes are using today will only be detectable in years to come.
 

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Jaron Ennis has now contacted the IBF about his shot at the world Welterweight title following the announcement that Terence Crawford will fight on Dec 10.


The walls are closing in on the Texan, the only way to avoid Ennis is to make the fight with Crawford but both men pose a tremendous risk to his continued reign at the top of the class. Since Crawford's moved on for the time being there's nowhere else to go without getting stripped surely
 

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Undisputed Lightweight champion Devin Haney was in New York on Friday night to watch Lomachenko vs Ortiz headline the Top Rank card.

After the fight he came face to face with the Ukranian who asked "is this a Lightweight?" referring to Haney's size out of competition.

The champ says he's happy to give Loma a shot at the crown so long as he accepts he's the B-side. It won't be too long before he starts missing weight if he keeps on at 135, he's undisputed so he can go up now.

 

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Boxing's other undisputed Lightweight champion is calling for a rematch with Amanda Serrano in Ireland. Katie Taylor made the 6th successful defence of her undisputed crown last night when she soundly outpointed Karen Carabajal in the United Kingdom but it's in her native Ireland she would like to fight next and she says Serrano can help her fill the 80'000 seat stadium she has her heart set on.

That's all good but I wonder if I'm alone in wondering why this lady doesn't change divisions and look for new challenges rather than trying to bring Serrano up 2 weight classes again? No one wants to see a rematch at 35 in her backyard, that only has one outcome so no thank you. Every other top female fighter goes up and down the divisions as the competition in each class is limited but not KT, she's been tying up the belts at 35 for years now and everytime we get a high profile opponent the opponent has to come to 135, she could go down and fight Baumgardner for instance or move up and rematch the Caskiller, this refusal to budge isn't helping the GWOAT claims her fans like to make constantly
 

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Boxing's other undisputed Lightweight champion is calling for a rematch with Amanda Serrano in Ireland. Katie Taylor made the 6th successful defence of her undisputed crown last night when she soundly outpointed Karen Carabajal in the United Kingdom but it's in her native Ireland she would like to fight next and she says Serrano can help her fill the 80'000 seat stadium she has her heart set on.

That's all good but I wonder if I'm alone in wondering why this lady doesn't change divisions and look for new challenges rather than trying to bring Serrano up 2 weight classes again? No one wants to see a rematch at 35 in her backyard, that only has one outcome so no thank you. Every other top female fighter goes up and down the divisions as the competition in each class is limited but not KT, she's been tying up the belts at 35 for years now and everytime we get a high profile opponent the opponent has to come to 135, she could go down and fight Baumgardner for instance or move up and rematch the Caskiller, this refusal to budge isn't helping the GWOAT claims her fans like to make constantly
Taylor-Serrano was a sensational fight and many had Serrano the winner, including one of the judges.
 

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Tommy Fury is out on Sunday against some American chap (7-5). This will be broadcast on DAZN PPV here and in the USA also as Floyd Mayweather tops the bill against some Brit in a middleweight contest, I believe it's actually scheduled for 12 surprisingly but I don't know anything about the opponent so I'm sure he isn't a legit boxer. A funny looking retirement this is turning out to be for the undefeated former champion, he's been fighting more than Tommy!

Anyway Fury says he'll slap Jake Paul and all the rest but when is he going to sign to fight and see it through? A look through past threads here about this fight will show you I've consistently picked Fury to win it but at this point Paul's record is almost as good as his and he's been active and getting rounds in whereas Fury's just been talking. I'll have no choice but to reconsider if they do finally get it on.
 

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So Fury was approximately 8lbs over the Light-Heavyweight limit when he stepped on the scales in Dubai yesterday, his opponent Paul Bamba has since withdrawn from the contest stating he isn't a journeyman and isn't going to put his health at risk.

This isn't the first time Fury has weighed in over the limit for a fight and I've posted about this before but previously it wasn't a "miss" but the contract allowed for extra weight. My complaint before was that he is young and a Light-Heavyweight so with the right training and nutrition should be able to make weight and should be forced to do so as it's good practice for later on.

Today I'm happy to slam his unprofessionalism and declare his claims to be a pro boxer a joke. He's not at all serious about boxing and if his surname wasn't Fury no one would know who he is. He likes the celebrity life but doesn't want to put in the work that goes into being a top level boxer. But what really sticks in my throat here is listening to Fury's answers to the question of him missing weight, he was saying he didn't miss weight when he obviously did and tried to imply that Bamba was looking for a way out, it's laughable.
 

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Almost logged out without mentioning South London's "Too Sharp" Bentley and his first attempt at a world title last night. Absolutely terrific effort, he did himself proud. After the first couple of rounds I figured he had 3 left tops but if nothing else he's shown that he belongs at the top table.
 

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So Fury was approximately 8lbs over the Light-Heavyweight limit when he stepped on the scales in Dubai yesterday, his opponent Paul Bamba has since withdrawn from the contest stating he isn't a journeyman and isn't going to put his health at risk.

This isn't the first time Fury has weighed in over the limit for a fight and I've posted about this before but previously it wasn't a "miss" but the contract allowed for extra weight. My complaint before was that he is young and a Light-Heavyweight so with the right training and nutrition should be able to make weight and should be forced to do so as it's good practice for later on.

Today I'm happy to slam his unprofessionalism and declare his claims to be a pro boxer a joke. He's not at all serious about boxing and if his surname wasn't Fury no one would know who he is. He likes the celebrity life but doesn't want to put in the work that goes into being a top level boxer. But what really sticks in my throat here is listening to Fury's answers to the question of him missing weight, he was saying he didn't miss weight when he obviously did and tried to imply that Bamba was looking for a way out, it's laughable.
In the Bizarre world of boxing this whole weighin fiasco is a fiasco is a first.

The promoters looking to give every advantage to Fury actually had 2 different weight stipulations for the fighters in their contracts.

Bamba received a contract which stipulated 175lbs he was under impression they both were fighting at that limit. And Unbeknownst to him Fury was given leeway and his contract stipulated 178lbs. Even so he still did not make weight. And was 181 lbs.

When Bamba discovered this at the weighin and demanded compensation and rehydration limit so that Fury would not heavily outweigh him.

He was essentially told to get lost. His plane tickets were cancelled by the promoters. And he was told that he and his team would need to purchase their own tickets.

Fury is living of his brothers name pretty clear he is rubbish. Why would you engage in such underhanded tactics against a journeyman.
 
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Almost logged out without mentioning South London's "Too Sharp" Bentley and his first attempt at a world title last night. Absolutely terrific effort, he did himself proud. After the first couple of rounds I figured he had 3 left tops but if nothing else he's shown that he belongs at the top table.

I expect Warren to put him in with Hamzah sheeraz next year.
 
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