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Ive just finished Jerry Fitch's bio on Jimmy Bivins. While the book is relatively short, it has some interesting facts that I thought some of you would be interested in.

1) As an amateur, Bivins fought Joey Maxim twice, knocking him out and out pointing him in 1939.

2) Bivins hated Archie Moore. Apparently Moore was sleeping with Jimmy's wife when they first met in 1945. This is why Bivins hit Moore when he was down on one knee, knocking him out. After a 10 minute recovery time, Bivins knocked him out again.

3) He was good friends with Ezzard Charles, and perhaps that was the reason he didn't knock Charles out when they first met, despite having him down 7 times. Charles never let up on Jimmy years later, however.

4) a few people claim Jimmy never lost a step after the war, but claim he started losing when his opponents closed the weight gap Bivins enjoyed. While this may be true, Bivins suffered a major injury during the war. He was set on by a group of men who knocked him unconscious for several days. Jimmy recieved an Honourable Discharge just 9 months after, while the war was going on. His sister later claimed that his reflexes were never the same.

5) He was urged to quit the ring at aged 26 by his trainer and mentor Wilfred 'Whizbang' Carter. When jimmy refused, claiming he had more to offer, Whiz quit, claiming Jimmy would be seriously hurt of he carried on. That was in 1946.
 

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Its 98 pages or something like that, you can have Dan mail it to you when he is finished if you want to mail them back to me afterwards.

I think Bivins prime ended in 1945/46, he had a quality won over Moore but apparently he struggled in bouts he would have walked over earlier. His loss to JJW signalled an end to his dominance and although they reckon he won that fight his record suggests he was never the same afterwards. Maybes he just didn't have the drive after being (so called) robbed or maybes the many years of tough fights caught up with him when he started fighting naturally bigger boxers.
 

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@chatty Thanks for your opinions. As for the book appreciate the offer but I am swamped. Next up is a book @doug.ie has lent me; finally getting round to it! Still have the new Joe Gans book to read as well, about the Nelson fight.
 

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@chatty Thanks for your opinions. As for the book appreciate the offer but I am swamped. Next up is a book @doug.ie has lent me; finally getting round to it! Still have the new Joe Gans book to read as well, about the Nelson fight.
Whats the Joe Gans book called, I saw one on my kindle and it was about £15, I'm tempted to buy it but I got loads of books to read so I might hold of until after Xmas
 

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Dan, what side of the fence do you sit on regarding the end of Bivins' prime?
Personally, I would say Jimmy's prime ended after Moore in 45. Although we know very little on the subject as Jimmy didn't like to talk about it, he was badly hurt during the war. After that beating he took, his reflexes were never the same, at least according to his sister and his mentor (who quit when jimmy refused to retire at age 26).

What we know as fact is that after his strange loss to Jersey Joe, he started losing to guys he previously walked over (Lee Q Murray for instance). A lot of critics argue that Bivins only beat Charles and Moore because of the weight advantage he held over them, and that when these fighters increased their weight he started to lose. Too simplistic for me, and it completely overlooks his beating during the war, and the feelings of his close friends
 

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Ive just finished Jerry Fitch's bio on Jimmy Bivins. While the book is relatively short, it has some interesting facts that I thought some of you would be interested in.

1) As an amateur, Bivins fought Joey Maxim twice, knocking him out and out pointing him in 1939.

2) Bivins hated Archie Moore. Apparently Moore was sleeping with Jimmy's wife when they first met in 1945. This is why Bivins hit Moore when he was down on one knee, knocking him out. After a 10 minute recovery time, Bivins knocked him out again.

3) He was good friends with Ezzard Charles, and perhaps that was the reason he didn't knock Charles out when they first met, despite having him down 7 times. Charles never let up on Jimmy years later, however.

4) a few people claim Jimmy never lost a step after the war, but claim he started losing when his opponents closed the weight gap Bivins enjoyed. While this may be true, Bivins suffered a major injury during the war. He was set on by a group of men who knocked him unconscious for several days. Jimmy recieved an Honourable Discharge just 9 months after, while the war was going on. His sister later claimed that his reflexes were never the same.

5) He was urged to quit the ring at aged 26 by his trainer and mentor Wilfred 'Whizbang' Carter. When jimmy refused, claiming he had more to offer, Whiz quit, claiming Jimmy would be seriously hurt of he carried on. That was in 1946.
thanks I have never really looked into bivins as much as I should I think I might start in a few months with the book
 
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