[Luf]

Prime for Prime, who takes it?

Can Wlad withstand the awesome pressure of Smoking Joe, the great body work and the leaping left hooks?

Can Joe weave his way past the ATG jab of Wlad? Can he stand up to the straight rights that wlad would hammer him with?

Two of the greatest heavyweights in hsitory, from totally different eras matched up in a time machine!

What say you CHB?

 

[DrMo]

For me this fight depends on the choice of referee.

If its a typical Kiltschko pet who allows Wlad to grab & lean everytime Frazier gets close then I dont think Joe has much of a chance.

If its a ref who stops the excesssive holding & lets Joe work on the inside then Wlad is toast.

Back in the 70s Joe by KO, in the 00s Wlad on points.

 

[Luf]

For me this fight depends on the choice of referee.

If its a typical Kiltschko pet who allows Wlad to grab & lean everytime Frazier gets close then I dont think Joe has much of a chance.

If its a ref who stops the excesssive holding & lets Joe work on the inside then Wlad is toast.

Back in the 70s Joe by KO, in the 00s Wlad on points.

Do you view Wlad's inside clinching as excessive?

it's an interesting point and I think that is the difference. Wlad can't fight inside to save his liffe but his clinch is massively effective.

Even in the 70's Ali was allowed to neutralise Joe in the same manner remember, I'm not sure it's an illegal tactic, but I've not considered that angle before :think

 

[Lunny]

I think Frazier is an absolute nightmare for Wlad. He has the exact style to trouble him and will be able to bob and weave his way in to land that massive left hook. He'll pound to the body and test that chin.

 

[DrMo]

Do you view Wlad's inside clinching as excessive?

it's an interesting point and I think that is the difference. Wlad can't fight inside to save his liffe but his clinch is massively effective.

Even in the 70's Ali was allowed to neutralise Joe in the same manner remember, I'm not sure it's an illegal tactic, but I've not considered that angle before :think

Not excessive, exclusive :yep All Wlad does on the inside is clinch & lean. If you watch the Williamson fight the ref stops him from holding & he tries to fight back on the inside with hilarious results.

In Ali-Frazier II the ref allowed Ali to grab the back of Joe's neck all night & he was able to neutralise Frazier. In FOTC & Manilla the ref didnt & we saw a very different fight.

Holding/clinching isnt illegal as far as I know but doing it excessively & constantly is.

 

[Lunny]

Do you view Wlad's inside clinching as excessive?

it's an interesting point and I think that is the difference. Wlad can't fight inside to save his liffe but his clinch is massively effective.

Even in the 70's Ali was allowed to neutralise Joe in the same manner remember, I'm not sure it's an illegal tactic, but I've not considered that angle before :think

I think Wlad's clinch is definitely excessive and refs let him get away with it far too much. As soon as a fighter gets close to him he leans all his body weight on them to drag them down.

But if the ref lets him get away with it then that's the ref's fault. Can't fault Wlad for doing it as it's so effective.

 

[Luf]

Not excessive, exclusive :yep All Wlad does on the inside is clinch & lean. If you watch the Williamson fight the ref stops him from holding & he tries to fight back on the inside with hilarious results.

In Ali-Frazier II the ref allowed Ali to grab the back of Joe's neck all night & he was able to neutralise Frazier. In FOTC & Manilla the ref didnt & we saw a very different fight.

Holding/clinching isnt illegal as far as I know but doing it excessively & constantly is.

yeah I think the ref is gonna be key. I don't think he can wlak through Wlad so he'll have to really bring his A-game to constantly slip inside.

If he can lean he wins imo.

 

[ScouseLeader]

I don't think people appreciate the difference in speed in these match-ups with the Klitshcko's. In comparison to the rather slow Wlad, Frazier is rapid. Frazier could land 2 hook before Wlad followed up his pawing jab with a right. I think Frazier would bob and weave his way in and connect before Wlad even had time to blink. This isn't David Haye type speed, this is real speed, where punches are put together and thrown with malice. Frazier would connect without a doubt. Could Wlad take those shots? I certainly don't think so.

Frazier TKO before 5.

 

[Luf]

I don't think people appreciate the difference in speed in these match-ups with the Klitshcko's. In comparison to the rather slow Wlad, Frazier is rapid. Frazier could land 2 hook before Wlad followed up his pawing jab with a right. I think Frazier would bob and weave his way in and connect before Wlad even had time to blink. This isn't David Haye type speed, this is real speed, where punches are put together and thrown with malice. Frazier would connect without a doubt. Could Wlad take those shots? I certainly don't think so.

Frazier TKO before 5.

Vitali is dirt slow but it's not him i'm talking about, I think you underestimate how good Wlad's jab actually is, chances are he'll land a second jab before Joe gets close.

If wlad aint allowed to hold then Jos will wear him down, but if he is, then Joe is fucked.

 

[Lunny]

Wlad does have a great jab but if I could pick anyone to get past it I'd pick Frazier.

 

[Luf]

Wlad does have a great jab but if I could pick anyone to get past it I'd pick Frazier.

same, plus Frazier is relentless and will fight all night. that's why I made th fight, it intrigues me :good

 

[Foreman Hook]

I think Frazier is an absolute nightmare for Wlad. He has the exact style to trouble him and will be able to bob and weave his way in to land that massive left hook. He'll pound to the body and test that chin.

XPERT-post Lunny m8.:thumbsup

Smokey Joe would rape Wladdy's body like Bronze Age Brewster did, then KO his gassed ass with a left-hook from hell.

Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

[Teeto]

I've always said it, Frazier is the worst possible stylistic match-up for Wlad in the history of boxing. We can talk about what if Wlad comes out bombing all day, but it's like saying what if Paul Williams just started fighting like Tommy Hearns because they're both tall with long arms, the fact is that he doesn't do that. I think this fight would be brutal, Frazier is an all time great swarmer with one of the most devastating left hooks of all time, and I think Wlad is going to sleep.

 

[Foreman Hook]

I've always said it, Frazier is the worst possible stylistic match-up for Wlad in the history of boxing. We can talk about what if Wlad comes out bombing all day, but it's like saying what if Paul Williams just started fighting like Tommy Hearns because they're both tall with long arms, the fact is that he doesn't do that. I think this fight would be brutal, Frazier is an all time great swarmer with one of the most devastating left hooks of all time, and I think Wlad is going to sleep.

@Teeto my brother in G'ness, I do agree overall m8, But Claudius Lenny Lion Lewis could fracture Wladdy's freakishy fragile Mandible earlier than Smokey Joe.

Lenny showed VS "Box of Frogs" Golota, Razza "Bobby Dazzler" Ruddock, "Buff Beefcake" Bruno, Mike Grant, And TKO6,,, he is teh ultimate raper of fellow Superheavys.:ibutt

Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

 

[Teeto]

don't get me wrong man, I think Lewis would blitz Wladimir too, blitz him

 

[Swarmer]

I've always said it, Frazier is the worst possible stylistic match-up for Wlad in the history of boxing. We can talk about what if Wlad comes out bombing all day, but it's like saying what if Paul Williams just started fighting like Tommy Hearns because they're both tall with long arms, the fact is that he doesn't do that. I think this fight would be brutal, Frazier is an all time great swarmer with one of the most devastating left hooks of all time, and I think Wlad is going to sleep.

i think Dempsey or Tyson would be worse tbh, better records of dispatching bigger guys

either way Waldo would get it because he has no cheen, no uppercuts.

 

[Teeto]

i think Dempsey or Tyson would be worse tbh, better records of dispatching bigger guys

either way Waldo would get it because he has no cheen, no uppercuts.

don't get me wrong, I think Tyson would be fucking for Wlad, Wlad would get countered and tee'd off on to pieces. Maybe it's a bit extreme to say Frazier would be the definitive worst, I can concede that, but I can't think of many worse, it's just the all out swarming, speed, monstrous punching, would be hellacious imo.

 

[DrMo]

The ultimate kryptonite for Wlad imo is Bowe

Big, strong, power in both hands, solid chin, massive heart, great jab, loves to slug & lethal on the inside.

Prime for prime he might finish Wlad even earlier than Tyson or Foreman would

 

[Swarmer]

I think Dempsey and Tyson are worse for these reasons:

1)Better one hit power

2)better against bigger guys

3)starting faster. Frazier took a while to get into the rhythm of things(perhaps wisely), but waldo is the kind of guy to come out of his corner in the first round slower and honestly a little overcautious. I think he would have an easier time getting his measure of smoke or rocky than he would with dempsey or tyson

 

[Flea Man]

I'm not sure that the actual weight of Dempsey's punch would be any more harmful to Wlad than Bowe's.