Hard to compare two eras. How much bigger was Lennox. Wouldn't Lennox blast out Joe Louis in one round just on size?
Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis
I have seen both men fight.
Lewis was a great fighter with a good jab and he knew how to use his size.
But he had no where near the skill of Joe louis.
Joe was great at countering over jabs.
I really see him knocking Lewis clean out.
Lewis moved a bit but he did not have great movement.
your not beating joe doing that
People need to look at this
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/louis.html
Skills pay the bills Joe had to much skill for Lennox.
size dont win fights skills do people need to remember that
what do you guys think?
Lewis was a great fighter with a good jab and he knew how to use his size.
But he had no where near the skill of Joe louis.
Joe was great at countering over jabs.
I really see him knocking Lewis clean out.
Lewis moved a bit but he did not have great movement.
your not beating joe doing that
People need to look at this
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/louis.html
Skills pay the bills Joe had to much skill for Lennox.
size dont win fights skills do people need to remember that
what do you guys think?
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heck no Max bear hit so mu harder than Lewis joe ko him.Hard to compare two eras. How much bigger was Lennox. Wouldn't Lennox blast out Joe Louis in one round just on size?
Joe had much more skill than Lewis skils ay the bils
Louis can compete with Lennox, but Lennox would win. Size, skill and power. Buddy Baer and Carnera didn't have that blend of ability.
LOUIS BY KO.. style smake fights and i se the style of louis perfect to destroy the chin of lewis.. great finisher, combination accurate puncher, fast hands, louis would land first and better
Lennox by KO. He wouldn't be fucking about with prime Joe.
Louis By KO, best combination power puncher ever with early and late power, Lennox best chance if for a quick start but much risk involved against the Brown Bomber Louis by KO 1-8
I used to think Louis was the absolute shit, and he was, but there are some men I now favour over him due to varying aspects. Lewis is one of those.
There is absolutely no disparity in skill here, Lewis is much better at jabbing and controlling range. Lewis is also much better on the back foot.
Louis was more patient and fought better at mid range and in the pocket.
Timing they're both equal, probably about the same in speed and durability also.
Lewis has an advantage in power.
The only reason I give Louis a shot is due to a combination of his patience and Lewis' complacency at times. Lewis is a superior fighter but there's every chance he leaves that left out a bit too long and gets banged out. Of course there's more of a chance that doesn't happen since it only happened twice in his career.
Lewis is a fairly big favourite here but at any point that can change. Lewis certainly wins a series of fights though.
There is absolutely no disparity in skill here, Lewis is much better at jabbing and controlling range. Lewis is also much better on the back foot.
Louis was more patient and fought better at mid range and in the pocket.
Timing they're both equal, probably about the same in speed and durability also.
Lewis has an advantage in power.
The only reason I give Louis a shot is due to a combination of his patience and Lewis' complacency at times. Lewis is a superior fighter but there's every chance he leaves that left out a bit too long and gets banged out. Of course there's more of a chance that doesn't happen since it only happened twice in his career.
Lewis is a fairly big favourite here but at any point that can change. Lewis certainly wins a series of fights though.
the sheer size difference alone would be too much for Louis. yes lennox was sparked by a couple of average guys so a Louis ko is far from impossible, but take them both on their very best nights lewis would be far too big. not just his size but skilled, and a very athletic big man too. lewis wins this fight 9 times out of 10.
Lennox could be a bit too tentative at times against fighters that asked questions of his chin - he fought like he didn't have very much confidence in taking any big shots - which to me would be a massive problem against someone who feints as much and as well as Joe Louis did.
This could get messy though if Lennox reverts to octopus tactics and smothering continually although I think Joe would be in and out before Lewis could hug him in. Lennox simply can't fight inside or trade with a guy of Louis' size and speed. This would need a good ref .
Versus any come forward powerful fighter Lewis is always the first to concede ground and I have also seen enough guys match Lewis' jab whereas I've never seen anyone take Louis jab away from him?
Lewis didn't throw the jab with enough authority - too often pawing and drawing it back again, a risk taker he was not!? And the more experienced guys could bully him a bit at times because he didn't know enough to deal with them. And he was often a bit too worried about his own work Looking good rather than it being effective and he'd wait too long some times to get into positions where he'd look cute doing it.
And Lewis really was a guy who "didn't like it up him" so to speak and could get frustrated and start appealing to the ref when things were getting uncomfortable. An older Holyfield gave him a pretty tough going over in the rematch, and on experience alone really? By round 7 Lennox was blowing and flat footed, dropping his hands by his waist and could only really "dredge up" brief cameos when he got to that stage in fights - he had to move and punch separately and when he got tired his punches had to be really levered up? He couldn't maintain his form in longer fights consequently he never scored a knockout later than 8 rounds in his entire career? And I think in this one it wouldn't take long in the early going for Lennox to taste Louis' power and start fighting with anxiety. After 7 or 8 rounds against top level guys Lewis always ends up getting disorganised and just kinda gets by on his size and clinging on continually.
In terms of his size Lennox was huge yes, and an athletic guy for someone so big but he wasn't anything Joe Louis hadn't seen and destroyed before? At a shade under 6'5" Lennox best fight for me was Razor Ruddock where he was 227 lbs and I think he was just sloppy and relatively lumberous anything over 235 - Louis could fight at his absolute best up to 207 lbs so there's only really a 20 lb difference there nothing particularly unusual for Louis who faced 6'5" Abe Simon twice who was in solid muscular shape at 254 and 255, and 6'7" Buddy Baer who again looked relatively skinny really at 237 and even up to 250, and Primo Carnera who was another freak of nature at almost 6'6" and 260 lbs, he knocked down Tony Galento at 233 and 3 quarters who had a much lower centre of gravity off his feet into the air with a fairly effortless left hook? So no I don't see Lennox size being any problem at all for Louis - it wasn't really that much of problem for a pretty jaded Version of Holyfield?
Louis by KO probably somewhere around 8th round when Lennox gets knackered and starts to unravel
This could get messy though if Lennox reverts to octopus tactics and smothering continually although I think Joe would be in and out before Lewis could hug him in. Lennox simply can't fight inside or trade with a guy of Louis' size and speed. This would need a good ref .
Versus any come forward powerful fighter Lewis is always the first to concede ground and I have also seen enough guys match Lewis' jab whereas I've never seen anyone take Louis jab away from him?
Lewis didn't throw the jab with enough authority - too often pawing and drawing it back again, a risk taker he was not!? And the more experienced guys could bully him a bit at times because he didn't know enough to deal with them. And he was often a bit too worried about his own work Looking good rather than it being effective and he'd wait too long some times to get into positions where he'd look cute doing it.
And Lewis really was a guy who "didn't like it up him" so to speak and could get frustrated and start appealing to the ref when things were getting uncomfortable. An older Holyfield gave him a pretty tough going over in the rematch, and on experience alone really? By round 7 Lennox was blowing and flat footed, dropping his hands by his waist and could only really "dredge up" brief cameos when he got to that stage in fights - he had to move and punch separately and when he got tired his punches had to be really levered up? He couldn't maintain his form in longer fights consequently he never scored a knockout later than 8 rounds in his entire career? And I think in this one it wouldn't take long in the early going for Lennox to taste Louis' power and start fighting with anxiety. After 7 or 8 rounds against top level guys Lewis always ends up getting disorganised and just kinda gets by on his size and clinging on continually.
In terms of his size Lennox was huge yes, and an athletic guy for someone so big but he wasn't anything Joe Louis hadn't seen and destroyed before? At a shade under 6'5" Lennox best fight for me was Razor Ruddock where he was 227 lbs and I think he was just sloppy and relatively lumberous anything over 235 - Louis could fight at his absolute best up to 207 lbs so there's only really a 20 lb difference there nothing particularly unusual for Louis who faced 6'5" Abe Simon twice who was in solid muscular shape at 254 and 255, and 6'7" Buddy Baer who again looked relatively skinny really at 237 and even up to 250, and Primo Carnera who was another freak of nature at almost 6'6" and 260 lbs, he knocked down Tony Galento at 233 and 3 quarters who had a much lower centre of gravity off his feet into the air with a fairly effortless left hook? So no I don't see Lennox size being any problem at all for Louis - it wasn't really that much of problem for a pretty jaded Version of Holyfield?
Louis by KO probably somewhere around 8th round when Lennox gets knackered and starts to unravel
Lennox realises the danger in front of him, and catches Louis cold. Lewis TKO3.
in terms of size then yes Louis knocked out men as big and some bigger than lewis, but in terms of combining the size and more importantly skill of lennox then no lewis is definitely not something Louis has seen and destroyed before. the big guys you mentioned on louis' resume are not on the same planet as lennox in terms of skill. so makes the comparison completely redundant. no good being a big man without having the skill to accompany it. its that combination of size and skill that would be too much for the comparatively small Louis to cope with. added to that carrying his left hand low would be wide open to a massive right over the top from lennox.Lennox could be a bit too tentative at times against fighters that asked questions of his chin - he fought like he didn't have very much confidence in taking any big shots - which to me would be a massive problem against someone who feints as much and as well as Joe Louis did.
This could get messy though if Lennox reverts to octopus tactics and smothering continually although I think Joe would be in and out before Lewis could hug him in. Lennox simply can't fight inside or trade with a guy of Louis' size and speed. This would need a good ref .
Versus any come forward powerful fighter Lewis is always the first to concede ground and I have also seen enough guys match Lewis' jab whereas I've never seen anyone take Louis jab away from him?
Lewis didn't throw the jab with enough authority - too often pawing and drawing it back again, a risk taker he was not!? And the more experienced guys could bully him a bit at times because he didn't know enough to deal with them. And he was often a bit too worried about his own work Looking good rather than it being effective and he'd wait too long some times to get into positions where he'd look cute doing it.
And Lewis really was a guy who "didn't like it up him" so to speak and could get frustrated and start appealing to the ref when things were getting uncomfortable. An older Holyfield gave him a pretty tough going over in the rematch, and on experience alone really? By round 7 Lennox was blowing and flat footed, dropping his hands by his waist and could only really "dredge up" brief cameos when he got to that stage in fights - he had to move and punch separately and when he got tired his punches had to be really levered up? He couldn't maintain his form in longer fights consequently he never scored a knockout later than 8 rounds in his entire career? And I think in this one it wouldn't take long in the early going for Lennox to taste Louis' power and start fighting with anxiety. After 7 or 8 rounds against top level guys Lewis always ends up getting disorganised and just kinda gets by on his size and clinging on continually.
In terms of his size Lennox was huge yes, and an athletic guy for someone so big but he wasn't anything Joe Louis hadn't seen and destroyed before? At a shade under 6'5" Lennox best fight for me was Razor Ruddock where he was 227 lbs and I think he was just sloppy and relatively lumberous anything over 235 - Louis could fight at his absolute best up to 207 lbs so there's only really a 20 lb difference there nothing particularly unusual for Louis who faced 6'5" Abe Simon twice who was in solid muscular shape at 254 and 255, and 6'7" Buddy Baer who again looked relatively skinny really at 237 and even up to 250, and Primo Carnera who was another freak of nature at almost 6'6" and 260 lbs, he knocked down Tony Galento at 233 and 3 quarters who had a much lower centre of gravity off his feet into the air with a fairly effortless left hook? So no I don't see Lennox size being any problem at all for Louis - it wasn't really that much of problem for a pretty jaded Version of Holyfield?
Louis by KO probably somewhere around 8th round when Lennox gets knackered and starts to unravel
when lewis wasn't fully prepared he was a significantly lesser fighter, but picking prime 4 prime i can see him putting on a back foot clinic, causing damage with the jab and landing some big rights.
lewis tko13+ (so lewis ud over 12)
lewis tko13+ (so lewis ud over 12)
Lennox by right over the top of the jab brutal KO
Lennox, Floyd, and Mayweather would all beat Louis in half a round, because of modern nutrition.Hard to compare two eras. How much bigger was Lennox. Wouldn't Lennox blast out Joe Louis in one round just on size?
Everyone knows that's what you wanted to say, so just be a man and speak how you really feel.
I see this ending in a an early KO win for Lewis. He'd know that Louis was a rhythm fighter that could be caught cold in the early rds, and Lewis would dance his chances to overwhelm him with his physical advantages.
This is no knock on Louis, since I favour Lewis over all other HWs h2h in a series.
This is no knock on Louis, since I favour Lewis over all other HWs h2h in a series.
I can see Lewis winning by knockout but how is Louis a rhythm fighter that could be caught cold early. He started as fast as anybody this side of Dempsey and Tyson.I see this ending in a an early KO win for Lewis. He'd know that Louis was a rhythm fighter that could be caught cold in the early rds, and Lewis would dance his chances to overwhelm him with his physical advantages.
This is no knock on Louis, since I favour Lewis over all other HWs h2h in a series.
He could start fast, definitely, but he could also be a bit vulnerable early. Braddock, Galento, Buddy Baer and Walcott all decked him early.I can see Lewis winning by knockout but how is Louis a rhythm fighter that could be caught cold early. He started as fast as anybody this side of Dempsey and Tyson.
And Schmeling got fucking spanked early, same with Buddy Baer. When Louis was determined to start fast and finish his opponent early he could get the job done.He could start fast, definitely, but he could also be a bit vulnerable early. Braddock, Galento, Buddy Baer and Walcott all decked him early.
Also did I read correctly that you said you favor Lewis over all HWs in a series? So like that includes Holmes, Ali, Tyson, Foreman etc?
Yep.And Schmeling got fucking spanked early, same with Buddy Baer. When Louis was determined to start fast and finish his opponent early he could get the job done.
Also did I read correctly that you said you favor Lewis over all HWs in a series? So like that includes Holmes, Ali, Tyson, Foreman etc?
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