[Chatty]

I'm going to write and article on judging and was hoping you great guys at CHB could help me out here. All I need is a list of robberies. So far I have:

Pacquaio V Bradley
Pacquaio V Marquez 3
De La Hoya V Trinidad
Lara V Williams
De La Hoya V Sturm
Lara V Williams
Holyfield V Lewis 1
Chisora V Helenius

If you wish you can bring other fights to the table were adjudicators have lost control or been terribly bad such as:

Mayweather V Ortiz
Mares V Agbeko 1

etc

Try and keep them to non-close fights though, i.e Marquez V Pacquaio 2 and Mayweather V Castillo whereby there was only a couple of rounds separating them probably won't help me much. I'm looking more into the fights where most people feel it was clear cut victories for the guy whose arm wasn't raised.

Also debate away on the topic. Be interesting to hear your thoughts.

 

[Lunny]

Chisora-Helenius was pretty awful.

 

[Lunny]

I don't see Mayweather-Ortiz as a problem. Ref was a bit shit but it was all done legally and Mayweather won legitimately.

 

[Chatty]

I don't see Mayweather-Ortiz as a problem. Ref was a bit shit but it was all done legally and Mayweather won legitimately.

Nothing to do with the result, more the fact that Cortez completely lost control of the fight and it could have been handled way better.

 

[Lunny]

Ah, right, I agree with that.

 

[Chatty]

Chisora-Helenius was pretty awful.

Good call

 

[Flea Man]

This fight is different to an Escalera-Everett or Lara-Williams. I can just about fathom Bradley 7-5 from where the judges are sitting. It can look totally different to TV. It is possible that two of the ringside observers that gave it to Timmy Were the judges. Some sloppy work from Manny and work from Bradley can change the perception of one round. That's all it takes really.

I saw Carl Froch boss Dirrell around the ring with his jab. At home on DVD, I saw him fall short regularly and the only significant clean blows landed by his foe.

I was thinking through the championship rounds 'Manny needs to win one of these rounds'. As it stands one wouldn't have been enough and yet it looks like he could've turned the wick up. He only has himself to blame.

From my perspective, not really that justifiable but certainly more feasible than Manny besting Marquez last time out.

 

[Holmes]

Cox v Sai, the fall down of the rematch too.

 

[BoxingAnalyst]

Straight up corruption IMO! Arum is a twat.

 

[Chatty]

This fight is different to an Escalera-Everett or Lara-Williams. I can just about fathom Bradley 7-5 from where the judges are sitting. It can look totally different to TV. It is possible that two of the ringside observers that gave it to Timmy Were the judges. Some sloppy work from Manny and work from Bradley can change the perception of one round. That's all it takes really.

I saw Carl Froch boss Dirrell around the ring with his jab. At home on DVD, I saw him fall short regularly and the only significant clean blows landed by his foe.

I was thinking through the championship rounds 'Manny needs to win one of these rounds'. As it stands one wouldn't have been enough and yet it looks like he could've turned the wick up. He only has himself to blame.

From my perspective, not really that justifiable but certainly more feasible than Manny besting Marquez last time out.

I thought it was a pretty clear cut win for Manny, I hear what you are saying and agree it's not as bad as some of the other fights listed nor even near them but I can't really see how Bradley won it. As for ringside observations, I can agree with you as well as I've watched plenty fights from ringside and you do get a different perspective and have blocked views etc. Yet if judging from ringside is not effective then its still up for debate as methods can be used to change that especially with today's technology.

 

[Chatty]

Well off to work, I'll catch you all in 12 hours and debate on, good posts so far - keep them up!!!

 

[Flea Man]

Cox v Sai, the fall down of the rematch too.

Well there's one that looked corrupt inside and outside the ring. Disgraceful.

 

[Flea Man]

I thought it was a pretty clear cut win for Manny, I hear what you are saying and agree it's not as bad as some of the other fights listed nor even near them but I can't really see how Bradley won it. As for ringside observations, I can agree with you as well as I've watched plenty fights from ringside and you do get a different perspective and have blocked views etc. Yet if judging from ringside is not effective then its still up for debate as methods can be used to change that especially with today's technology.

I mean, there was a few times in the fight where the ref' blocked our view. In a few rounds Manny surged late. Could Bradley have feasibly one those?

Chang-Chitalada II and Esparragoza-Villasana ain't great decisions either.

 

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