[Vano-irons]

Full fight is on YouTube (albeit a bit jumpy)

It was hard to gauge just how good Alvarez was, when we consider it was a Light middleweight up against a Light Welterweight. He worked the left to the body well, and the jab has improved. The right over the top, and hia combination punching was also pretty good. But his defence still looks leaky (could you get more Mexican if you tried). But of course that could be because he had zero respect for lopez's power.

In the end, the lighter man was overwhelmed and bashed up, just like everyone thought.

Where do both go from here?

Lopez obviously drops back down to at least Welter, but does Canelo get his shot at money may? Cotto - Trout winner down the line?

 

[dftaylor]

Canelo hasn't had the development needed to really be looking at Cotto, never mind Floyd. The Williams fight would have been a good test, but we just haven't seen the ginger against anyone who's actually that dangerous.

 

[Vano-irons]

100% agree mate. I think Cotto, even at this stage, would find the holes in his defence.

But we need to see him against someone his own weight to see how good he is. Lara, Molina, or even K9 and Kirkland. We didn't really learn anything about him last night, other than he can walk down a small welter

 

[Libertarian]

I still think we'll see Canelo vs Ortiz.

 

[Chatty]

He should go in with Bundrage next, it would be a unification (even if he has to immediately give it up - or would he being a Mexican?) against a veteran boxer who is proven at the weight. He should win but K9 would at least be posing as a world level boxer who is adept at the weight.

After that he should fight Kirkland who is also beatable but can bang a little bit. Once through these then he should start setting his sights on Cotto and Mayweather etc. he is 22, there is no need to jump into these fights and imo he is still too green for the elite boxers.

Molina would be a quality scrap but I doubt GBP pull the trigger on that one. Molina is as good an example of a high risk, low reward fighter as there is at the minute.

 

[Vano-irons]

I still think we'll see Canelo vs Ortiz.

Would genuinely be a horrible move. While Ortiz is a far bigger puncher than Lopez, he'd cave sooner

 

[Vano-irons]

He should go in with Bundrage next, it would be a unification (even if he has to immediately give it up - or would he being a Mexican?) against a veteran boxer who is proven at the weight. He should win but K9 would at least be posing as a world level boxer who is adept at the weight.

After that he should fight Kirkland who is also beatable but can bang a little bit. Once through these then he should start setting his sights on Cotto and Mayweather etc. he is 22, there is no need to jump into these fights and imo he is still too green for the elite boxers.

Molina would be a quality scrap but I doubt GBP pull the trigger on that one. Molina is as good an example of a high risk, low reward fighter as there is at the minute.

Pretty much agree with every word mate, particularly regarding Molina. The talk of Mayweather is far too soon also, and he just isn't good enough.

Lara poses a different challenge altogether, but I'd want to see him face someone with more power. It sucks, because I think Paul Williams would have beaten him

 

[Libertarian]

I know, but with Ortiz having a bit of name value/notoriety (delete as you wish) it's an easy sell.

The fact that Ortiz is crap and has form for bailing out of tough fights on multiple occasions is kinda secondary.

He's like the Derek Chisora of American boxing.

 

[BUMPY]

Canelo is bad for boxing, he has not face one top 154lb fighter and last night fought a super lightweight, yet holds a belt. All the talk of Chavez being spoon-fed but Canelo gets it even easier.

 

[dftaylor]

Canelo is bad for boxing, he has not face one top 154lb fighter and last night fought a super lightweight, yet holds a belt. All the talk of Chavez being spoon-fed but Canelo gets it even easier.

I think that's a little unfair. Sergio was Chavez's first legitimate championship fight, so it's not like there's a massive gap between the two. Alvarez was looking for a better fighter to tackle, Paul Williams, and lost out on that fight for obvious reasons. Then he went for Kirkland, who negotiated himself out of the fight. Then he wanted Ortiz, who got his faced smashed in. He, and GBP, obviously want bigger fights.

Alvarez's recent foes aren't dissimilar to Chavez's. Gomez, Cintron and Mosley are all faded contenders and, in Gomez's case, undersized. Chavez's include Lee, Rubio, Manfredo and Zbik. Neither have set it alight recently.

I'll wait till we see who Saul fights next before criticising. And, in fairness, Junior spent 11 rounds getting battered against his first world-class opponent.

 

[BUMPY]

I think that's a little unfair. Sergio was Chavez's first legitimate championship fight, so it's not like there's a massive gap between the two. Alvarez was looking for a better fighter to tackle, Paul Williams, and lost out on that fight for obvious reasons. Then he went for Kirkland, who negotiated himself out of the fight. Then he wanted Ortiz, who got his faced smashed in. He, and GBP, obviously want bigger fights.

Alvarez's recent foes aren't dissimilar to Chavez's. Gomez, Cintron and Mosley are all faded contenders and, in Gomez's case, undersized. Chavez's include Lee, Rubio, Manfredo and Zbik. Neither have set it alight recently.

I'll wait till we see who Saul fights next before criticising. And, in fairness, Junior spent 11 rounds getting battered against his first world-class opponent.

I agree they have both had it easy but I'm saying, Canelo seems to be the guy with all the respect yet in my eyes he is fighting weaker contenders than Chavez has been.

 

[dftaylor]

I agree they have both had it easy but I'm saying, Canelo seems to be the guy with all the respect yet in my eyes he is fighting weaker contenders than Chavez has been.

Probably because Alvarez has generally looked more impressive consistently. Junior barely scraped by against Matt Vanda and bored the whole of the MGM Grand to death on the Pac-Cotto undercard against Troy Rowland.

There's not much between them, but simply looking at their respective performances I think Alvarez looks the classier operator.

 

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I feel so fucking bad for lopez man.

 

[BUMPY]

Apparently Canelo got the bonus last night for best ko, which is utter bullshit, he was fighting a tubby 140lber, that money should have been Maidanas!

 

[Scotty]

Canelo is bad for boxing, he has not face one top 154lb fighter and last night fought a super lightweight, yet holds a belt. All the talk of Chavez being spoon-fed but Canelo gets it even easier.

You must be joking. This 22 yo is creating a buzz about boxing in the USA. I had to tell the wife when his fight was on and she was texting her friends who were watching the fight too. The last hot prospect GBP had in this division was Daniel Jacobs and they blew it with him. Canelo is still developing and I give him a bye over last nights fight as Lopez was at best the 4th choice opponent.

 

[Roe]

Apparently Canelo got the bonus last night for best ko, which is utter bullshit, he was fighting a tubby 140lber, that money should have been Maidanas!

:-(

I've only really half seen this fight as it happened (had two screens with Martinez on the other) but it looked like we all predicted where Lopez would just get smashed because he's too small. I do rate Alvarez really highly but it's getting annoying how he's still not fought anyone decent at light middle. I think he could beat Cotto so hope that gets made next (even though I'd love Miguel to thump him).

And although it's hard to criticise him, I think Lopez fought the wrong fight as well. He seemed to be too willing to trade with Canelo. His tactic should've been to constantly backpeddle and only throw one or two shots at a time. Of course easier said than done, but a light welterweight going to war with a big light middleweight isn't a good idea.

 

[Scotty]

He should go in with Bundrage next, it would be a unification (even if he has to immediately give it up - or would he being a Mexican?) against a veteran boxer who is proven at the weight. He should win but K9 would at least be posing as a world level boxer who is adept at the weight.

After that he should fight Kirkland who is also beatable but can bang a little bit. Once through these then he should start setting his sights on Cotto and Mayweather etc. he is 22, there is no need to jump into these fights and imo he is still too green for the elite boxers.

Molina would be a quality scrap but I doubt GBP pull the trigger on that one. Molina is as good an example of a high risk, low reward fighter as there is at the minute.

Molina is a horrible opponent in my view. Bobbing, weaving, holding, no power and designed to make anyone look bad. The only entertainment he could provide would be if Canelo starts catching him and he gets laid out!

 

[Chatty]

Molina is a horrible opponent in my view. Bobbing, weaving, holding, no power and designed to make anyone look bad. The only entertainment he could provide would be if Canelo starts catching him and he gets laid out!

I like watching him, he is awkward but he can be quite an aggressive fighter at times. Never seen the guy lose clean yet so hes deserving of some more big fights.

 

[BUMPY]

:-(

I've only really half seen this fight as it happened (had two screens with Martinez on the other) but it looked like we all predicted where Lopez would just get smashed because he's too small. I do rate Alvarez really highly but it's getting annoying how he's still not fought anyone decent at light middle. I think he could beat Cotto so hope that gets made next (even though I'd love Miguel to thump him).

And although it's hard to criticise him, I think Lopez fought the wrong fight as well. He seemed to be too willing to trade with Canelo. His tactic should've been to constantly backpeddle and only throw one or two shots at a time. Of course easier said than done, but a light welterweight going to war with a big light middleweight isn't a good idea.

Precisely, I rate him like everyone else, but I cant look past the fact that he is fighting sub par opposition. Lopez was silly for taking the fight imo, he was never going to win, it was almost like his victory over Ortiz gave him a false sense of elevation, as if he was suddenly some sort of underdog with the ko power. I want Canelo to fight a top 10 154lb fighter next, its time to step it up big time.

 

[Scotty]

I like watching him, he is awkward but he can be quite an aggressive fighter at times. Never seen the guy lose clean yet so hes deserving of some more big fights.

I was ringside for the Kirkland fight and not a fan. Cannot agree with the DQ but seeing him decked was the most thrilling part of the fight:smoke