[Lunny]

I was reading about Davey Moore yesterday (the modern one) and he won a title in only his 9th fight.

Then I remembered Spinks beat Ali in his 8th.

I'm sure you guys have this stat to hand but who are some of the fighters with the fewest fights before winning a title?

 

[Chatty]

Three I think cant think of his name though eastern fighter

 

[dkos]

Saensak Muangsurin

 

[Bajingo]

Rigo did it in his 9th.

 

[Bajingo]

Saensak Muangsurin

3rd fight! that'll be hard to top. Veeraphol Sahaprom did it in 4. Are they complete records though? Or just very accomplished Muay Thai fighters?

 

[Noonaldinho]

I was reading about Davey Moore yesterday (the modern one) and he won a title in only his 9th fight.

Then I remembered Spinks beat Ali in his 8th.

I'm sure you guys have this stat to hand but who are some of the fighters with the fewest fights before winning a title?

Did you read my post in Choi?

Vitali claims he won a version of the Heavyweight title in the least fights ever. Just looked and it was 25till he met Hide.

 

[Bajingo]

Did you read my post in Choi?

Vitali claims he won a version of the Heavyweight title in the least fights ever. Just looked and it was 25till he met Hide.

Well Spinks won THE title in his 8th, Vitali beat Hide in his 25th which was for what was then a clear 2nd tier belt still. So it's fair to say he's talking shit.

 

[Lunny]

Did you read my post in Choi?

Vitali claims he won a version of the Heavyweight title in the least fights ever. Just looked and it was 25till he met Hide.

:lol: Yeah, that's what reminded me. WTF Vitali?

 

[GazOC]

3rd fight! that'll be hard to top. Veeraphol Sahaprom did it in 4. Are they complete records though? Or just very accomplished Muay Thai fighters?

They were Muay Thai guys. The sort of fighters who could make their pro debuts against ex-world champs.

 

[Lunny]

Saensak Muangsurin

Woah Nelly, that's insane. How the fuck did he get a world title shot in his 3rd fight? It's not like it was minimum weight where no-one fights either!

 

[nufc_jay]

Rademacher debuted in a World Title Fight but lost

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=20110&cat=boxer

 

[Flea Man]

I'll tell you how he got it @Lunny

Now, Saensak was a beast. Unlike most Nak Muay he was renowned for his punching power. He was 140lb Raja' champ', although he lost to the masterful Poot Lorlek, an all-round technician who also had brilliant hands.

Now I need to get this out of the way. Saensak was not technical. In fact, unlike 99% of Thai's, he wasn't very technically correct at all (whilst they tend to square up they're usually well-schooled and tidy types the Thai's) and he also made no effort whatsoever to convert his style when boxing. Super slow of hand and foot. No defence whatsoever.

He had two things; one of the most ridiculous chins of all time. And two bags of gravel for hands.

To test the waters Saensak entere the South East Asian Games, where he won Gold at ten stone.

He smashed top 10 ranked Rudy Barro in his debut. On iPhone but search Saensak Muangsurin KO1 Rudy Barro on YouTube and feast your eyes on a stupendous knockout. That's how he was able to get to the top so quick he was one of the most naturally heavy handed men ever. Shit you not.

And then became the first to stop former world title challenger (to Cervantes, uploaded it on YouTube) Tetsuo 'Lion' Furuyama in his second fight.

Then he beat the hard hitting Perico Fernandez for the title. I have their rematch, only recently discovered to exist on film, on the way.

Now, WBA king Antonio Cervantes was undoubtedly the main man. However, after Wilfred Benitez beat him and moved up Cervantes was gifted the belt back by the WBA and didn't do much of note after that. I think Saensak did something ridiculous like 6 defences in a year in '77.

Mamby deserved to beat Muangsurin by all accounts. But Kim beat Muangsurin, then Mamby starched Kim so it all worked out.

Anyway, back to Saensak. Past his best, already blind in one eye he was used as a 'name' opponent for an undefeated welterweight prospect from Detroit. Check out how tough the Thai is and see what it takesto out him away. We all know how Tommy hit at 147.

 

[Flea Man]

3rd fight! that'll be hard to top. Veeraphol Sahaprom did it in 4. Are they complete records though? Or just very accomplished Muay Thai fighters?

The latter in the case of these two. Sahaprom beat another fantastically tidy Thai technician, Daorung Chuvatana to win the title, in his 4th fight, in, no joke, one of the greatest boxing matches of all time. Serious.

Then lost it in his 5th bout in an epic 2 round shooting with the excellent Nana Konadu. Caused Veeraphol to have a rethink and hone his skills as one of the better lower weight fighters of the last 20 years.

 

[Lunny]

I'll tell you how he got it @Lunny

Now, Saensak was a beast. Unlike most Nak Muay he was renowned for his punching power. He was 140lb Raja' champ', although he lost to the masterful Poot Lorlek, an all-round technician who also had brilliant hands.

Now I need to get this out of the way. Saensak was not technical. In fact, unlike 99% of Thai's, he wasn't very technically correct at all (whilst they tend to square up they're usually well-schooled and tidy types the Thai's) and he also made no effort whatsoever to convert his style when boxing. Super slow of hand and foot. No defence whatsoever.

He had two things; one of the most ridiculous chins of all time. And two bags of gravel for hands.

To test the waters Saensak entere the South East Asian Games, where he won Gold at ten stone.

He smashed top 10 ranked Rudy Barro in his debut. On iPhone but search Saensak Muangsurin KO1 Rudy Barro on YouTube and feast your eyes on a stupendous knockout. That's how he was able to get to the top so quick he was one of the most naturally heavy handed men ever. Shit you not.

And then became the first to stop former world title challenger (to Cervantes, uploaded it on YouTube) Tetsuo 'Lion' Furuyama in his second fight.

Then he beat the hard hitting Perico Fernandez for the title. I have their rematch, only recently discovered to exist on film, on the way.

Now, WBA king Antonio Cervantes was undoubtedly the main man. However, after Wilfred Benitez beat him and moved up Cervantes was gifted the belt back by the WBA and didn't do much of note after that. I think Saensak did something ridiculous like 6 defences in a year in '77.

Mamby deserved to beat Muangsurin by all accounts. But Kim beat Muangsurin, then Mamby starched Kim so it all worked out.

Anyway, back to Saensak. Past his best, already blind in one eye he was used as a 'name' opponent for an undefeated welterweight prospect from Detroit. Check out how tough the Thai is and see what it takesto out him away. We all know how Tommy hit at 147.

Cheers, Flea. Just watched the Barro and Hearns fights, both equally mad.

The Barro fight he looked like such a caveman, plodding along throwing telegraphed single power shots as Barro tried to bob about and throw combinations. Then BOOM one of the shots lands on the chin!

The punches he took in the Hearns fight in the second round after the knockdown were HUGE. That guy had a chin! Hearns was just loading up his right hand over and over and they were landing flush and Muangsurin kept coming forward. That chin was granite!

What a ridiculous human being.

 

[Flea Man]

@Lunny 'Caveman' is commonly used yes :lol:

The face of Coca Cola in Thailand for a time as well. And he offered out Ali before the Inoki fight apparently :lol:

Glad you enjoyed 'em. He also stopped the ghost of Guts Ishimatsu as well. Ex-European champ' Velasquez (who holds the first victory over Buchanan, possibly dubious mind) and Monroe Brooks in a apparently wild fight with both men down and Saensak winning by stoppage in the 15th!

Oh, and Muangsurin never sat down between rounds in title fights. You can see this in the Lion Furuyama rematch (not recommending it, it's silent, but the proof is there)

Freak. Robbed of some physical gifts and talents completely and bestowed with incredible toughness and power.

 

[O59]

Samart Payakaroon did it in 12.

 

[Flea Man]

Samart Payakaroon did it in 12.

What about Poontarat?

Chan-Hee Park didn't fuck about either.

 

[Roe]

I'll tell you how he got it @Lunny

Now, Saensak was a beast. Unlike most Nak Muay he was renowned for his punching power. He was 140lb Raja' champ', although he lost to the masterful Poot Lorlek, an all-round technician who also had brilliant hands.

Now I need to get this out of the way. Saensak was not technical. In fact, unlike 99% of Thai's, he wasn't very technically correct at all (whilst they tend to square up they're usually well-schooled and tidy types the Thai's) and he also made no effort whatsoever to convert his style when boxing. Super slow of hand and foot. No defence whatsoever.

He had two things; one of the most ridiculous chins of all time. And two bags of gravel for hands.

To test the waters Saensak entere the South East Asian Games, where he won Gold at ten stone.

He smashed top 10 ranked Rudy Barro in his debut. On iPhone but search Saensak Muangsurin KO1 Rudy Barro on YouTube and feast your eyes on a stupendous knockout. That's how he was able to get to the top so quick he was one of the most naturally heavy handed men ever. Shit you not.

And then became the first to stop former world title challenger (to Cervantes, uploaded it on YouTube) Tetsuo 'Lion' Furuyama in his second fight.

Then he beat the hard hitting Perico Fernandez for the title. I have their rematch, only recently discovered to exist on film, on the way.

Now, WBA king Antonio Cervantes was undoubtedly the main man. However, after Wilfred Benitez beat him and moved up Cervantes was gifted the belt back by the WBA and didn't do much of note after that. I think Saensak did something ridiculous like 6 defences in a year in '77.

Mamby deserved to beat Muangsurin by all accounts. But Kim beat Muangsurin, then Mamby starched Kim so it all worked out.

Anyway, back to Saensak. Past his best, already blind in one eye he was used as a 'name' opponent for an undefeated welterweight prospect from Detroit. Check out how tough the Thai is and see what it takesto out him away. We all know how Tommy hit at 147.

Brilliant post mate. Cheers for this.

 

[w;dkm ckeqfjq c]

Interesting stuff Flea

 

[Flea Man]

Thanks Gents.