[Luf]

Ok so this is something i've been working on for a while across each division. I basically go through boxing history and decide who I personally feel was the best of the divisions claimants at any given time. This isn't to be confused with linearity or h2h but rather who I felt was beating the best people in the best fashion at any given time.

The premiere fighter can lose that title if someone else comes along beating better people (i.e. whilst Johnson went inactive, Langford battered the top 5 list on a monthly basis).

Usually if a guy has been inactive for more than a year I'll look for a replacement unless that guys has been seeking fights (i.e. the confusion between Braddock facing Schmelling or Louis means he gets a pass for his inactivity whereas Dempsey flitting off to Hollywood doesn't and when Wills beat Firpo I considered him to have become the premiere fighter).

I also treat my own scores as gospel. By that I mean because I felt that Lewis beat Holyfield first time round, he took his crown in March. If there's a controversial fight I haven't watched fully, I'll usually consider it a draw, with Johnson v Hart being the sole exception as I think the reports are consistent in that Johnson was the cleaner more effective fighter and Hart was the more aggressive and I know which style I prefer 10/10 (Louis - Walcott 1, Schmelling - Sharkey 2 etc).

The #ONO means number of notable opponents. That being I look at the guys a man fought whilst I considered him premiere and listed all of the notable opponents without giving duplicate scores (so Langford gets 7 notable opponents rather than 17 notable fights)

I actually have an interim timeline for all 18 divisions but I reckon this is my final HW list so decided I'd post it considering I'm pretty happy with it.

apologies for it not reading very well but the conversion from Exel to CHB isn't something i'm very good at and it's far too much effort for me to go through putting spaces etc.

Name-Reign-Reason it ended-# of notable opponents faced

John L Sullivan - Jul 1882 to Apr 1889- Jackson beat Cardiff - 9

Peter Jackson - Apr 1889 to Sep 1892- Corbett beat Sullivan- 8

James Corbett - Sep 1892 to Feb 1896- Fitzsimmons beat Maher- 1

Bob Fitzsimmons - Feb 1896 to Jun 1899- Lost- 2
James Jeffries - Jun 1899 to Mar 1905- Johnson "beat" Hart- 5

Jack Johnson - Mar 1905 to Dec 1911- McVea beat Langford- 10

Sam McVea - Dec 1911 to Apr 1912- Lost- 0
Sam Langford - Apr 1912 to Apr 1915- Willard beat Johnson- 7

Jess Willard - Apr 1915 to Apr 1918- Wills beat Langford- 1

Harry to Wills- Apr 1918 to Jul 1919- Dempsey beat Willard- 2

Jack Dempsey- Jul 1919 to Sep 1924- Wills beat Firpo- 5

Harry Wills- Sep 1924 to Sep 1926- Tunney beat Dempsey- 2

Gene Tunney- Sep 1926 to Sep 1929- Sharkey beat Loughran- 2

Jack Sharkey- Sep 1929 to Jun 1930- Lost- 1
Max Schmelling- Jun 1930 to Jun 1933- Lost- 3
Max Baer- Jun 1933 to Jun 1935- Lost- 2
James Braddock-Jun 1935 to Jun 1937- Lost- 0
Joe Louis- Jun 1937 to Sep 1942- Bivins beat Mauriello- 15

Jimmy Bivins - Sep 1942 to Feb 1946- Lost- 13
Jersey Joe Walcott - Feb 1946 to Jun 1946- Louis beat Conn- 1

Joe Louis- Jun 1946 to Jun 1949- Charles beat Walcott- 2

Ezzard Charles- Jun 1949 to Jul 1951- Lost- 8
Jersey Joe Walcott- Jul 1951 to Sep 1952- Lost- 1
Rocky Marciano- Sep 1952 to Nov 1956- Patterson beat Moore- 5

Floyd Patterson- Nov 1956 to Jun 1959- Lost- 3
Ingo Johanneson- Jun 1959 to Jun 1960- Lost- 0
Floyd Patterson- Jun 1960 to Sep 1962- Lost- 1
Sonny Liston- Sep 1962 to Feb 1964- Lost- 1
Muhammad Ali- Feb 1964 to Mar 1968- Frazier beat Mathis- 9

Joe Frazier- Mar 1968 to Jan 1973- Lost- 6
George Foreman- Jan 1973 to Oct 1974- Lost- 2
Muhammad Ali- Oct 1974 to Apr 1976- "Lost"- 4
Jimmy Young - Apr 1976 to Nov 1977- Lost- 2
Ken Norton - Nov 1977 to Jun 1978- Lost- 0
Larry Holmes- Jun 1978 to Sep 1985- Lost- 17
Michael Spinks- Sep 1985 to Apr 1986- "Lost"- 0
Larry Holmes- Apr 1986 to Nov 1986- Tyson beat Berbick- 0

Mike Tyson- Nov 1986 to Feb 1990- Lost- 9
Buster Douglas- Feb 1990 to Oct 1990- Lost- 0
Evander Holyfield- Oct 1990 to Nov 1992- Lost- 2
Riddick Bowe- Nov 1992 to Mar 1996- Tyson beat Bruno- 5

Mike Tyson- Mar 1996 to Nov 1996- Lost- 1
Evander Holyfield- Nov 1996 to Mar 1999-"Lost"- 2
Lennox Lewis- Mar 1999 to Apr 2001- Lost- 4
Hasim Rahman-Apr 2001 to Nov 2001- Lost- 0
Lennox Lewis- Nov 2001 to Mar 2004- Vitali beat Sanders- 2

Vitali Klitschko- Mar 2004 to Apr 2006- Wlad beat Byrd- 1

Wlad Klitschko- Apr 2006 to Jun 2012- Still Going- 10

 

[Hands of Iron]

Luf,

Great to see you're still into this stuff and perfecting it. Excellent work, mate.

Don't get it twisted though: Tyson was still the top dog until he was sentenced to prison while Holyfield kept all the straps he unified warm for him. When Holyfield was defending against comebacking George Foreman, Tyson tackled the top rated fighter in the division twice in four months. :yep

 

[Hands of Iron]

^^^

I was only kidding.

Sorta.

 

[Luf]

Luf,

Great to see you're still into this stuff and perfecting it. Excellent work, mate.

Don't get it twisted though: Tyson was still the top dog until he was sentenced to prison while Holyfield kept all the straps he unified warm for him. When Holyfield was defending against comebacking George Foreman, Tyson tackled the top rated fighter in the division twice in four months. :yep

Yeah it's something I figured I might as well stick with :good

There's only three periods I'm sort of unsure about.

1) the Jeffries-Willard fights with Johnson. whilst I think peak fitness Johnson mullers anyone who steps in the ring with him, he was oft out of shape and inactive whilst Langford was beating the likes of McVea, Jeannette and Smith.

2) the Machen-Patterson fights with Liston. Whilst again I think Liston murders anyone around during this timeframe, I can't help but think that Patterson probably was still beating the better opposition as Ingo was consensus top 5 when Floyd defended against him and from then it's only a short while until he faces liston so whilst it is probably true that floyd ducked Sonny, Ingo was a deserving contender both times round and Floyd ultimately did face Sonny.

3) The period after Holy retired with heart problems up until Holy "drew" with Lewis. I scored the first Holy-moorer fight in favour of Vander by 1 point. He then retired and Foreman v moorer happened and at the point Foreman sparked MM I'm happy calling him the best HW in the world. the point of contention comes with his gift against unranked Schulz (which I scored a draw) and his then refusal to face him, tucker or anyone ranked in the top 100. Meanwhile Bowe had flattened Hided and Gonzalez. At the point Bowe stopped Holy he's a deserving choice for number 1 and despite him beating Golota twice (valid victories imo because Golota mentally imploded) Meanwhile Tyson destroyed Bruno and Seldon. That much I can deal with because Foreman stopped being worthy as did Bowe. However i have a real hard time splitting Holy and Lewis in 97, on one hand Holy destroyed Tyson and Moorer but on the other Lewis flattened Golota. I think During this period Lewis beats any active HW but Holy beat the better guys so I gave him the edge until Lewis outclassed him that March.

Evrything else I'm happy with though, even the wafer thin calls like Byrd getting top spot after beating Williamson (it was a title fight and both Lewis & Vitali had retired)

 

[Hands of Iron]

Yeah it's something I figured I might as well stick with :good

There's only three periods I'm sort of unsure about.

1) the Jeffries-Willard fights with Johnson. whilst I think peak fitness Johnson mullers anyone who steps in the ring with him, he was oft out of shape and inactive whilst Langford was beating the likes of McVea, Jeannette and Smith.

2) the Machen-Patterson fights with Liston. Whilst again I think Liston murders anyone around during this timeframe, I can't help but think that Patterson probably was still beating the better opposition as Ingo was consensus top 5 when Floyd defended against him and from then it's only a short while until he faces liston so whilst it is probably true that floyd ducked Sonny, Ingo was a deserving contender both times round and Floyd ultimately did face Sonny.

I'm fairly biased here as I consider Sonny the man from '58 up to his loss against Clay, but it's perfectly legitimate for Floyd and Ingo to be deserving of the back-and-forth claim they made of it.

3) The period after Holy retired with heart problems up until Holy "drew" with Lewis. I scored the first Holy-moorer fight in favour of Vander by 1 point. He then retired and Foreman v moorer happened and at the point Foreman sparked MM I'm happy calling him the best HW in the world. the point of contention comes with his gift against unranked Schulz (which I scored a draw) and his then refusal to face him, tucker or anyone ranked in the top 100. Meanwhile Bowe had flattened Hided and Gonzalez. At the point Bowe stopped Holy he's a deserving choice for number 1 and despite him beating Golota twice (valid victories imo because Golota mentally imploded) Meanwhile Tyson destroyed Bruno and Seldon. That much I can deal with because Foreman stopped being worthy as did Bowe. However i have a real hard time splitting Holy and Lewis in 97, on one hand Holy destroyed Tyson and Moorer but on the other Lewis flattened Golota. I think During this period Lewis beats any active HW but Holy beat the better guys so I gave him the edge until Lewis outclassed him that March.

Evrything else I'm happy with though, even the wafer thin calls like Byrd getting top spot after beating Williamson (it was a title fight and both Lewis & Vitali had retired)

Yeah, this particular time period - as much as I love it - was muddled as all hell. I've come to the conclusion that it can be blamed squarely on Holyfield's 'loss' to Michael Moorer the first go-round. In a just world, Holyfield could've reclaimed the distinction from the second Bowe fight up to losing to him in their rubbermatch in 1995 where Bowe is eclipsed by Tyson come 1996 with wins as noted over Bruno and Seldon (both rated titlists) while Riddick got the snot beat out of him twice by Golota despite both wins being legitimate. I 100% back the idea of Holyfield taking over from November 1996 up to his first fight with Lennox Lewis @ MSG in 1999, obviously a fight Lewis clearly won.

 

[Hands of Iron]

If Evander wasn't the best heavyweight of the 1990s, he was certainly the most significant. The man was everywhere to be found throughout.

 

[Luf]

I'm fairly biased here as I consider Sonny the man from '58 up to his loss against Clay, but it's perfectly legitimate for Floyd and Ingo to be deserving of the back-and-forth claim they made of it.

Yeah, this particular time period - as much as I love it - was muddled as all hell. I've come to the conclusion that it can be blamed squarely on Holyfield's 'loss' to Michael Moorer the first go-round. In a just world, Holyfield could've reclaimed the distinction from the second Bowe fight up to losing to him in their rubbermatch in 1995 where Bowe is eclipsed by Tyson come 1996 with wins as noted over Bruno and Seldon (both rated titlists) while Riddick got the snot beat out of him twice by Golota despite both wins being legitimate. I 100% back the idea of Holyfield taking over from November 1996 up to his first fight with Lennox Lewis @ MSG in 1999, obviously a fight Lewis clearly won.

I did consider Liston as the man previously but I think at every juncture Floyd did just enough to keep his ranking above him (until he got twatted obviously)

hmmmm I've not considered that line of thought before as I'm sure Holy actually retired after the first MM fight. Every time someone got going they just ended up fizzling out: Holy retired due to heart problems, foreman struggled with schulz and decided to never again face a rated opponenet, bowe outlasted golota despite being smashed from pillar to post. It needed a man like Tyson to come and take the reigns in dominant fashion but 94-96 is very confusing.

 

[Hands of Iron]

You've got it nailed where accuracy is concerned, I was just imaging things. I'd agree with you regarding the Holyfield-Moorer I result and he did indeed retire although he was back in the ring and beat Ray Mercer within 13 months. Is that too long of an inactive period? Probably. Still a quality scalp and maybe enough to make a thin case for Holy being that dude up to the third Bowe fight.

It definitely makes for less clutter:

90-92: Holyfield
92-93: Bowe
93-95: Holyfield
95-96: Bowe
96----: Tyson
96-99: Holyfield

 

[Luf]

You've got it nailed where accuracy is concerned, I was just imaging things. I'd agree with you regarding the Holyfield-Moorer I result and he did indeed retire although he was back in the ring and beat Ray Mercer within 13 months. Is that too long of an inactive period? Probably. Still a quality scalp and maybe enough to make a thin case for Holy being that dude up to the third Bowe fight.

It definitely makes for less clutter:

90-92: Holyfield
92-93: Bowe
93-95: Holyfield
95-96: Bowe
96----: Tyson
96-99: Holyfield

it's not the length really it's the intention, he retires his claim in effect, meanwhile Foreman emphatically knocks out the guy who gave Holy hell.

I am pretty happy with Foreman being the man after knocking out MM, I just can't abide him being there after running from a rematch with a fringe contender and point blank refusing to consider anyone top ranked.

your way is easier on the eye though :good

 

[DrMo]

I thought Bowe won all 3 fights with Holy & would have him #1 from 92-96.

Interesting read though, thanks for posting

 

[Luf]

I thought Bowe won all 3 fights with Holy & would have him #1 from 92-96.

Interesting read though, thanks for posting

hmmm last time I watched the rematch I scored it 7-5 for Holy but I'll rewatch it and get a more confident score card going.

That would shake things up a bit, I'm guessing also you then rate Bowe higher than others do?

Yeah I've done similar for every division actually but this is the only one I'm pretty much confident with. Infact unless I score the rematch for Big Daddy this is how I see the timeline of the division and even though it gets messy in places it represent my views much more than any lineal/alphabet title claims do.

 

[DrMo]

hmmm last time I watched the rematch I scored it 7-5 for Holy but I'll rewatch it and get a more confident score card going.

That would shake things up a bit, I'm guessing also you then rate Bowe higher than others do?

Yeah I've done similar for every division actually but this is the only one I'm pretty much confident with. Infact unless I score the rematch for Big Daddy this is how I see the timeline of the division and even though it gets messy in places it represent my views much more than any lineal/alphabet title claims do.

I'm a massive Bowemo, my favourite HW from the 90s so I'm probably very biased. Imo he was clearly the best HW in the world from 92-96, such a shame he lacked dedication, had such a tool for a manager & was frozen out of getting a chance at all the belts, though his choice of Dokes as a defence was terrible. He wouldve beaten Mercer (had he beaten Ferguson), Foreman & Moorer.

Have you done all the bastard divisions as well or just the original 8?

 

[Luf]

I'm a massive Bowemo, my favourite HW from the 90s so I'm probably very biased. Imo he was clearly the best HW in the world from 92-96, such a shame he lacked dedication, had such a tool for a manager & was frozen out of getting a chance at all the belts, though his choice of Dokes as a defence was terrible. He wouldve beaten Mercer (had he beaten Ferguson), Foreman & Moorer.

Have you done all the bastard divisions as well or just the original 8?

I just watched it now actually and scored it a draw but I'll rewatch another time before settling on a score (I like to score close fights 3 times before deciding how I see it)

I've done them all, been doing it about a year or so probably longer in all honesty, I lose track. I've got an interim timeline for all 18 though just not finalised any yet (although this is only 1 scorecard from being finalised now) :good

 

[Hands of Iron]

I'm a massive Bowemo, my favourite HW from the 90s so I'm probably very biased. Imo he was clearly the best HW in the world from 92-96, such a shame he lacked dedication, had such a tool for a manager & was frozen out of getting a chance at all the belts, though his choice of Dokes as a defence was terrible. He wouldve beaten Mercer (had he beaten Ferguson), Foreman & Moorer.

Have you done all the bastard divisions as well or just the original 8?

Indeed.

Rock Newman absolutely thrashed his legacy to ribbons first by the trash bin incident and secondly his choice of opponents for defenses of the two remaining straps he had. He fought better competing for the WBO strap against Hide and Gonzalez. I guess the sole comfort I take as a Bowe fan myself is that he proved his worth against a peak Holyfield and their trilogy assures he won't be forgotten.

 

[Luf]

Indeed.

Rock Newman absolutely thrashed his legacy to ribbons first by the trash bin incident and secondly his choice of opponents for defenses of the two remaining straps he had. He fought better competing for the WBO strap against Hide and Gonzalez. I guess the sole comfort I take as a Bowe fan myself is that he proved his worth against a peak Holyfield and their trilogy assures he won't be forgotten.

I gotta say, after watching bowe v holy again I can't split them in the 2nd fight. Changes things quite a bit. Holy and Foreman slighlty lose out but the main change is I see Bowe as quite a lot greater than I previously did.

 

[Hands of Iron]

So long as Holyfield keeps his 96-99 I think it's fine any way you go about it. Yes, I think Bowe is one of the Top 15 Heavyweights of all-time and in terms of physical attributes/skills/ability i.e. head-to-head, a fair top ten shout.

 

[Luf]

So long as Holyfield keeps his 96-99 I think it's fine any way you go about it. Yes, I think Bowe is one of the Top 15 Heavyweights of all-time and in terms of physical attributes/skills/ability i.e. head-to-head, a fair top ten shout.

Yeah I think by the Seldon fight Tyson absolutely has to be the top HW and in beating him twice Holy takes that mantle, solidifying the status by destroying Moorer.

Bowe makes my top 15, actually here's my top 39:

Ali
Louis
Johnson
Foreman
Lewis
Holmes
Marciano
Tyson
W. Klitschko
Frazier
Holyfield
Charles
Jeffries
Bowe
Dempsey
Sullivan
Wills
Liston
Langford
Patterson
Walcott
Bivins
Jackson
Fitzsimmons
V. Klitschko
Schmelling
Baer
Tunney
Young
Corbett
Norton
Sharkey
McVea
Johanneson
Braddock
Douglas
Rahman
Willard
Spinks

I grouped them on a combination of resume and achievement then ranked within the groups on H2H i.e. 8-13 was one group and 14-17 was another group so within each groups I ranked on H2H ability.

 

[Luf]

Ok so this is something i've been working on for a while across each division. I basically go through boxing history and decide who I personally feel was the best of the divisions claimants at any given time. This isn't to be confused with linearity or h2h but rather who I felt was beating the best people in the best fashion at any given time.

The premiere fighter can lose that title if someone else comes along beating better people (i.e. whilst Johnson went inactive, Langford battered the top 5 list on a monthly basis).

Usually if a guy has been inactive for more than a year I'll look for a replacement unless that guys has been seeking fights (i.e. the confusion between Braddock facing Schmelling or Louis means he gets a pass for his inactivity whereas Dempsey flitting off to Hollywood doesn't and when Wills beat Firpo I considered him to have become the premiere fighter).

I also treat my own scores as gospel. By that I mean because I felt that Lewis beat Holyfield first time round, he took his crown in March. If there's a controversial fight I haven't watched fully, I'll usually consider it a draw, with Johnson v Hart being the sole exception as I think the reports are consistent in that Johnson was the cleaner more effective fighter and Hart was the more aggressive and I know which style I prefer 10/10 (Louis - Walcott 1, Schmelling - Sharkey 2 etc).

The #ONO means number of notable opponents. That being I look at the guys a man fought whilst I considered him premiere and listed all of the notable opponents without giving duplicate scores (so Langford gets 7 notable opponents rather than 17 notable fights)

I actually have an interim timeline for all 18 divisions but I reckon this is my final HW list so decided I'd post it considering I'm pretty happy with it.

apologies for it not reading very well but the conversion from Exel to CHB isn't something i'm very good at and it's far too much effort for me to go through putting spaces etc.

Name-Reign-Reason it ended-# of notable opponents faced

John L Sullivan - Jul 1882 to Apr 1889- Jackson beat Cardiff - 9

Peter Jackson - Apr 1889 to Sep 1892- Corbett beat Sullivan- 8

James Corbett - Sep 1892 to Feb 1896- Fitzsimmons beat Maher- 1

Bob Fitzsimmons - Feb 1896 to Jun 1899- Lost- 2
James Jeffries - Jun 1899 to Mar 1905- Johnson "beat" Hart- 5

Jack Johnson - Mar 1905 to Dec 1911- McVea beat Langford- 10

Sam McVea - Dec 1911 to Apr 1912- Lost- 0
Sam Langford - Apr 1912 to Apr 1915- Willard beat Johnson- 7

Jess Willard - Apr 1915 to Apr 1918- Wills beat Langford- 1

Harry to Wills- Apr 1918 to Jul 1919- Dempsey beat Willard- 2

Jack Dempsey- Jul 1919 to Sep 1924- Wills beat Firpo- 5

Harry Wills- Sep 1924 to Sep 1926- Tunney beat Dempsey- 2

Gene Tunney- Sep 1926 to Sep 1929- Sharkey beat Loughran- 2

Jack Sharkey- Sep 1929 to Jun 1930- Lost- 1
Max Schmelling- Jun 1930 to Jun 1933- Lost- 3
Max Baer- Jun 1933 to Jun 1935- Lost- 2
James Braddock-Jun 1935 to Jun 1937- Lost- 0
Joe Louis- Jun 1937 to Sep 1942- Bivins beat Mauriello- 15

Jimmy Bivins - Sep 1942 to Feb 1946- Lost- 13
Jersey Joe Walcott - Feb 1946 to Jun 1946- Louis beat Conn- 1

Joe Louis- Jun 1946 to Jun 1949- Charles beat Walcott- 2

Ezzard Charles- Jun 1949 to Jul 1951- Lost- 8
Jersey Joe Walcott- Jul 1951 to Sep 1952- Lost- 1
Rocky Marciano- Sep 1952 to Nov 1956- Patterson beat Moore- 5

Floyd Patterson- Nov 1956 to Jun 1959- Lost- 3
Ingo Johanneson- Jun 1959 to Jun 1960- Lost- 0
Floyd Patterson- Jun 1960 to Sep 1962- Lost- 1
Sonny Liston- Sep 1962 to Feb 1964- Lost- 1
Muhammad Ali- Feb 1964 to Mar 1968- Frazier beat Mathis- 9

Joe Frazier- Mar 1968 to Jan 1973- Lost- 6
George Foreman- Jan 1973 to Oct 1974- Lost- 2
Muhammad Ali- Oct 1974 to Apr 1976- "Lost"- 4
Jimmy Young - Apr 1976 to Nov 1977- Lost- 2
Ken Norton - Nov 1977 to Jun 1978- Lost- 0
Larry Holmes- Jun 1978 to Sep 1985- Lost- 17
Michael Spinks- Sep 1985 to Apr 1986- "Lost"- 0
Larry Holmes- Apr 1986 to Nov 1986- Tyson beat Berbick- 0

Mike Tyson- Nov 1986 to Feb 1990- Lost- 9
Buster Douglas- Feb 1990 to Oct 1990- Lost- 0
Evander Holyfield- Oct 1990 to Nov 1992- Lost- 2
Riddick Bowe- Nov 1992 to Mar 1996- Tyson beat Bruno- 5

Mike Tyson- Mar 1996 to Nov 1996- Lost- 1
Evander Holyfield- Nov 1996 to Mar 1999-"Lost"- 2
Lennox Lewis- Mar 1999 to Apr 2001- Lost- 4
Hasim Rahman-Apr 2001 to Nov 2001- Lost- 0
Lennox Lewis- Nov 2001 to Mar 2004- Vitali beat Sanders- 2

Vitali Klitschko- Mar 2004 to Apr 2006- Wlad beat Byrd- 1

Wlad Klitschko- Apr 2006 to Jun 2012- Still Going- 10

Just tidied it up a bit, also decided to drop Byrd from my timeline as inbetween vitali retiring and wlad beating him, he had no victories so his place wasn't really deserving.

 

[DrMo]

@lufcrazy

Nice top40 but why no Witherspoon or Moorer? Both won 2 world titles & have unique achievments. Moorer was the 1st southpaw champ & 'Spoon was the only man to beat the most dangerous opponent for any heavyweight to face, Don King.

 

[Luf]

@lufcrazy

Nice top40 but why no Witherspoon or Moorer? Both won 2 world titles & have unique achievments. Moorer was the 1st southpaw champ & 'Spoon was the only man to beat the most dangerous opponent for any heavyweight to face, Don King.

thanks :good

purely because I've only ranked the guys I decided had been number 1 at some point in the divisions history.

With time I'll come to add more names like tua, moore, spoon, moorer etc but for now I'm just focusing on finishing my timelines and ranking those who feature in them :good