[Noonaldinho]

I was recently talking to @Roe about Vitali and wether he could retire saying he was Heavyweight Champion of the world without being undisputed champion. With all the politics and various different titles around now it is a very difficult and sometimes rare feat to be undisputed.

For instance can Carl Froch ever claim to be World Champion?

Or although some fighters only ever held one title they are still heralded as World champions where as others arent.

 

[Chatty]

There aren't many who cold claim to be a real titlist tbh. Every year it seems to be getting more difficult as well with warring promoters and sanctioning bodies refusing unification's etc.

I think at current only Wlad, Ward, Martinez and possibly Estrada could have a claim to being a real world champion.

 

[adamcanavan]

There aren't many who cold claim to be a real titlist tbh. Every year it seems to be getting more difficult as well with warring promoters and sanctioning bodies refusing unification's etc.

I think at current only Wlad, Ward, Martinez and possibly Estrada could have a claim to being a real world champion.

Dawson to some extent too, and the winner of donaire-rigo this saturday

 

[JamieC]

I dont have as much of a problem with people claiming to be world champion in fractured divisions (they're not actually the champion though it just doesnt annoy me as much) but in reality the only champions are Wlad, Ward, Martinez, and Estrada with Donaire-Rigo winner as well. There are many that are probably no 1 in a division but havent had a chance to cement their spot, I rate Carlos Molina as the top 154lber and he doesnt even have a belt

 

[Roe]

Even with Wlad there's a bit of a grey area because for as long as he's been "the man", the clear #2 has been his brother and they'll never fight for obvious reasons.

 

[sim_reiss]

I treat Wlad and Vitali as a two-headed monster. When someone asks me who the Heavyweight champ is, I say The Klitschkos. It's not just because they'll never fight but also the way their resumes overlap. If I'm not mistaken bar Lewis, they've avenged each others defeats.

 

[Lunny]

I treat Wlad and Vitali as a two-headed monster. When someone asks me who the Heavyweight champ is, I say The Klitschkos. It's not just because they'll never fight but also the way their resumes overlap. If I'm not mistaken bar Lewis, they've avenged each others defeats.

That's a ridiculous way to look at it. Treating 2 people as one like their records are the same. That's insanity.

 

[Roe]

That's a ridiculous way to look at it. Treating 2 people as one like their records are the same. That's insanity.

It seems like insanity but it's not all that far off the mark.

Like he said, they have often avenged each others losses and even since Vitali came back 5 years ago, they've only fought 1 common opponent in Sam Peter. Meaning that Wlad hasn't fought what would've been decent challengers in the likes of Arreola, Solis, Adamek and Chisora. And they've no intention of fighting each other (fair enough).

Obviously they're different boxers with different styles and attributes but they really are like a two-headed monster. That's certainly how the media and the public see them and I think they'll go down in history as that as well.

 

[lamby]

There aren't many who cold claim to be a real titlist tbh. Every year it seems to be getting more difficult as well with warring promoters and sanctioning bodies refusing unification's etc.

I think at current only Wlad, Ward, Martinez and possibly Estrada could have a claim to being a real world champion.

i wouldn't discount Mayweather from that list either.

 

[Chatty]

i wouldn't discount Mayweather from that list either.

Nah, he's the obvious guy for No1 spot but he hasn't beat anyone to claim the title. He could have in Pacquaio but he didn't want the fight and Marquez was still a lightweight when he fought him. He'd have to beat Marquez and Bradley to do it now.

 

[Roe]

i wouldn't discount Mayweather from that list either.

What weight is Floyd the champ at?

 

[lamby]

What weight is Floyd the champ at?

Maybe you could have that as a security question for registration to the forum to keep muggins like me away who search high and low for a decent forum and then decide to register because its not full off arseholes?!

back on topic i agree chatty , Pacman would have been a defining fight but not as defining after he lost his 0 which Floyd still has a right to hence for me ,now it doesnt hold as much credibility as it could have.

 

[Roe]

Maybe you could have that as a security question for registration to the forum to keep muggins like me away who search high and low for a decent forum and then decide to register because its not full off arseholes?!

:lol: What the fuck? That was a serious question. Personally I don't know if I see Floyd as a genuine champion at the moment. You agreed yourself that he didn't really beat anyone to claim the title.

 

[adamcanavan]

Maybe you could have that as a security question for registration to the forum to keep muggins like me away who search high and low for a decent forum and then decide to register because its not full off arseholes?!

back on topic i agree chatty , Pacman would have been a defining fight but not as defining after he lost his 0 which Floyd still has a right to hence for me ,now it doesnt hold as much credibility as it could have.

After who lost his 0? Pacquiao?

 

[Nyanners :sad5]

Waldo
Huck
Dawson/Hopkins
Ward/Froch
Martinez
Alvarez
Mayweather/Bradley
Garcia/Marquez
Broner
etc.

 

[Noonaldinho]

Maybe you could have that as a security question for registration to the forum to keep muggins like me away who search high and low for a decent forum and then decide to register because its not full off arseholes?!

back on topic i agree chatty , Pacman would have been a defining fight but not as defining after he lost his 0 which Floyd still has a right to hence for me ,now it doesnt hold as much credibility as it could have.

Pacquaio lost his '0' before Floyd had made his professional debut.

 

[Roe]

Pacquaio lost his '0' before Floyd had made his professional debut.

:think Maybe that could be a security question for registration to the forum?