I really don't see how Tyson wins it.
To me it's pretty ridiculous how all we have ever heard about Douglas-Tyson is that Tyson 'beat himself' which is madness, Buster Douglas' mother just died and what he did was beat the shit out of prime Mike Tyson as a tribute to her, and we're supposed to sit around crediting his win to Tyson being upset over some personal shit instead of him being brutalised by a man who was simply his kryptonite on the night stylistically? Nah thanks. I'm always going to give credit to men who actually win fights, fuck undermining them, imagine if you went and battered Mike Tyson in his prime and nobody gave you credit. :lol:
I'm looking at it from a stylstic perspective, look at how Douglas fought. Douglas was always a skilled fighter who actually did come in massively under-trained for shit loads of his losses, he was like Riddick Bowe in that sense. I read all about how Douglas' dad was the opposite to him, he was a boxer who was not very skilled but he trained his ass off and always wanted to be the best he could or more, whereas Buster was very talented and didn't seem to give a shit about hard work. Look at the way he fought against Tyson, constant jab, not the jab that is aimed at scoring points and getting out of the way, his jab was the thudding weapon, like an actual power punch almost, and it set up heavy bombardments of combos of hooks and uppercuts. The blueprint to beat Tyson was always there from Larry Holmes, stand there and push him backwards, Bruno had some modest success with it in the early part of his first fight with Tyson. It's obviously a massive task and a lot of men will fail miserably in attempting because Tyson is maybe the most skilled combination puncher in heavyweight history, so if you're going to stand in front of him you better know what you're doing. But lets look at how Liston fought, massive jab that pushes you back and behind it comes massive bombardments. Just like Douglas, and even Bruno, but a lot fucking better than both of them. Liston is the ATG version of Douglas.
To me Tyson is the most overrated fighter of all time, and that's not good for me because he is my favourite fighter of my lifetime, hands down, he is like my fucking hero, but I stopped nut hugging him on a rating him level a few years back. He has never won a great fight in which he has been really under the kosh, and the stylistic match up here says he will be. How will just start getting past that jab? I don't understand. If it was a dude like Wlad I would give him a way better chance, simply because Wlad's style is to jab and lay off his man, jab and maintain distance. I think that's a death wish against Tyson, you don't want to be giving Tyson time to look at you, Tyson is probably the best counter puncher going in heavyweight history, and standing off him and looking to outbox him at range is probably going to see you countered, your jab slipped, and then he hits you with four and five combos of insane shots to the body and head before you know it and your height means jack shit because he's closed the distance and is using angles that negate it, I reckon Tyson would smash Wlad all over the ring. But Liston doesn't fight like that, Liston is all over you, leaning on you, grabbing you, moving you around with his physique, and battering you, behind an ATG jab which is pushing you backwards, not just scoring. I reckon Liston is the worst nightmare for Tyson, just based on a styles thing.
Even when Tyson was past his prime, that style, it was always bad for him, Evander, pushing him backwards and not being assed that Tyson was looking to hurt him. Most people don't know about Liston in the heart of his prime, look at what he did to a prime Cleveland Williams, who was a fine fighter, not the past prime version that Ali dazzled.
Liston for me all day.
WAR Tyson and all that shit but it ain't about that.