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Should AJ retire immediately?

  • Yes

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  • No - He should fight the rematch and if he loses then retire.

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  • No - He shouldn't fight Usyk again and continue against other lower level fighters.

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I have seen nothing from AJ that indicates he would ever leave McCracken he believes in Loyalty (I know most people think thats a bad thing these days but there are few with old fashioned values left). Plus he would NEVER waste his time with all that Shite that Fury padded his resume with! He has some self respect, whatever people think he was a 2 time World Champion and has £100m in the bank he doesn't need to humiliate himself by going down that route.
Loyalty is commendable but if you want to be the very best you need the very best around you and that can requires ruthless decisions.

Trying to deviate the discussion by pouring hate on Fury does not change the predicament AJ now finds himself in.
 

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Obviously he shouldn't retire. He's only 31 ffs. He's got plenty left to give to boxing. Yeah, he could retire having made a bazillion quid. But he'll not be remembered fondly if he does. Even if he does rematch Usyk and loses again, so what? There's supposed to be shame in losing to someone of his calibre? AJ has the potential to beat both Fury and Wilder. Let's all hope he sticks around and makes the fights we want to see.
 

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Obviously he shouldn't retire. He's only 31 ffs. He's got plenty left to give to boxing. Yeah, he could retire having made a bazillion quid. But he'll not be remembered fondly if he does. Even if he does rematch Usyk and loses again, so what? There's supposed to be shame in losing to someone of his calibre? AJ has the potential to beat both Fury and Wilder. Let's all hope he sticks around and makes the fights we want to see.
Not right now he doesn't.

Well, maybe Wilder if Fury absoloutley destroys him again and he's washed up.

He doesn't stand a chance against Fury right now though, and I think even the most ardent fans need to start separating the idea in our heads based on his potential from 4-5 years ago, and the reality of the fighter he is in 2021
 

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Fury has lost to no one and Joshua has lost to a fat guy and a guy that is not even really a heavyweight. Joshua also ducked the guy that Fury beat.
Lost to no-one because he fights shit like seferi and Schwartz. AJ didn't duck Wilder, Wilder ducked him EH offered Wilder the fight several times.
 

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Obviously he shouldn't retire. He's only 31 ffs. He's got plenty left to give to boxing. Yeah, he could retire having made a bazillion quid. But he'll not be remembered fondly if he does. Even if he does rematch Usyk and loses again, so what? There's supposed to be shame in losing to someone of his calibre? AJ has the potential to beat both Fury and Wilder. Let's all hope he sticks around and makes the fights we want to see.
He has no legacy left anyway? He wanted unbeaten, he wanted undisputed, those have both disappeared. If as is likely he loses the rematch then he has zero negotiating power. Fury would offer him less than zero and a Wilder fight seems a little pointless, two losers fighting for what? Maybe a small hardcore group of fans would be interested but remember Boxing is a business and AJ is a PPV fighter and he will struggle to sell 100k in the UK now having sold 1m Buys plus. Most fans are interested in World title fights not fights between has beens who have no future.
 

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Not right now he doesn't.

Well, maybe Wilder if Fury absoloutley destroys him again and he's washed up.

He doesn't stand a chance against Fury right now though, and I think even the most ardent fans need to start separating the idea in our heads based on his potential from 4-5 years ago, and the reality of the fighter he is in 2021
Of course he does. Even if it's only a punchers chance, he still has the potential to beat either, however slim that chance may be. Most fans just want the top fighters to fight each other. AJ is still a top fighter.
 

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Lost to no-one because he fights shit like seferi and Schwartz. AJ didn't duck Wilder, Wilder ducked him EH offered Wilder the fight several times.
Fury tamed Wilder and Wilder probably would have beaten AJ. Ruiz did. Usyk did and if they fight a rematch Usyk will again.

Fury is a winner and will probably retire undefeated. AJ's record is headed for a red ink ending.
 

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Lost to no-one because he fights shit like seferi and Schwartz. AJ didn't duck Wilder, Wilder ducked him EH offered Wilder the fight several times.
Come on, seriously, Wilder wanted the fight but Joshua let his promoter avoid the fight at all costs. Fury at least fought and beat Wilder and beat a better version of Wladimir than Joshua did.
 

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Come on, seriously, Wilder wanted the fight but Joshua let his promoter avoid the fight at all costs. Fury at least fought and beat Wilder and beat a better version of Wladimir than Joshua did.
Complete BS, EH offered it to Wilder on multiple occasions but Wilder knew he would lose as AJ is a way better boxer and has power, Wilder only has his one punch and that aint enough. The version of WK that fought Fury was bored, unmotivated and just ticking off another title defense, the version who fought AJ was motivated and hungry, knowing it was his last big chance for glory.

Shows how much having your head shoved up Fury's arse clouds your vision on reality.
 

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Complete BS, EH offered it to Wilder on multiple occasions but Wilder knew he would lose as AJ is a way better boxer and has power, Wilder only has his one punch and that aint enough. The version of WK that fought Fury was bored, unmotivated and just ticking off another title defense, the version who fought AJ was motivated and hungry, knowing it was his last big chance for glory.

Shows how much having your head shoved up Fury's arse clouds your vision on reality.
No matter how you want to paint it. It was Fury that ended WK's reign. In Germany to boot. With ease.

Joshua would fight WK 18 months later on home turf and went life and death with him. While it wasn't a terrible stoppage, it was premature.

Joshua has been the face of heavyweight boxing for many years and yet he can't get a fight with either his contemporaries? But they're on the brink of fighting each other for a 3rd time? Piss poor from him and his team really.
 

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Didn't get to watch thef fight, so basing this one the clips on YouTube

AJ looked too timid. He seems to have an issue of fighting the wrong fight, like he did in the first Ruiz fight where he tried to slug it out with the smaller guy. This time he was too passive and didn't use his size
 

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No matter how you want to paint it. It was Fury that ended WK's reign. In Germany to boot. With ease.

Joshua would fight WK 18 months later on home turf and went life and death with him. While it wasn't a terrible stoppage, it was premature.

Joshua has been the face of heavyweight boxing for many years and yet he can't get a fight with either his contemporaries? But they're on the brink of fighting each other for a 3rd time? Piss poor from him and his team really.
Yeh Fury won first but that doesn't automatically make it better and anyone who has seen the two fights can see how much better WK looked against AJ.

Premature? He had flattened twice in that round already? You Fury fanboys really are deluded.

The fact that he hasn't fought Fury or Wilder has nothing to do with AJ, it's the others who have dodged or asked for unreasonable terms. EH worked his arse of to get the Saudi fight done with no help from Fury's camp and then Arum screwed it up on the arbitration. You may think AJ is a shit fighter and thats a matter of opinion but there is no evidence to suggest he has dodged anyone and lots of evidence to prove he has tried to make those fights.

If he was a coward he would have dropped the belt and not fought Usyk!
 

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Yeh Fury won first but that doesn't automatically make it better and anyone who has seen the two fights can see how much better WK looked against AJ.

Premature? He had flattened twice in that round already? You Fury fanboys really are deluded.

The fact that he hasn't fought Fury or Wilder has nothing to do with AJ, it's the others who have dodged or asked for unreasonable terms. EH worked his arse of to get the Saudi fight done with no help from Fury's camp and then Arum screwed it up on the arbitration. You may think AJ is a shit fighter and thats a matter of opinion but there is no evidence to suggest he has dodged anyone and lots of evidence to prove he has tried to make those fights.

If he was a coward he would have dropped the belt and not fought Usyk!
You are in danger of drowning in your own tears princess.
 

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Didn't get to watch thef fight, so basing this one the clips on YouTube

AJ looked too timid. He seems to have an issue of fighting the wrong fight, like he did in the first Ruiz fight where he tried to slug it out with the smaller guy. This time he was too passive and didn't use his size
Robert Mcracken seems to think he can beat every opponent at their own game or something.
 

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Robert Mcracken seems to think he can beat every opponent at their own game or something.
It is important to prepare for your opponent no matter how good you or your trainer think you are. That's twice they have fallen for that trap Earl and both resulted in losses.
 

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No, but Usyk battered him mentally and physically. He gets slammed in the rematch too; which probably would retire him.

Take the L, get a new trainer and fight some top tens. Maybe take on Usyk later on
 

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Yes it fucking does if your goal was to be the best and that has been proved impossible. I don't imagine there is any sportsmen who says "I want to be the 3rd best in the world". Not like AJ needs the money he has £100m+. So unless he does a Mayweather and blows it all on hookers and blow then it makes no sense to continue post a rematch if he loses.
With that logic, we'd only have 3-4 fighters left in the sport. An undefeated record is not common in other combat sports, Canelo became the monster he is today because of that Floyd loss
 

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Complete BS, EH offered it to Wilder on multiple occasions but Wilder knew he would lose as AJ is a way better boxer and has power, Wilder only has his one punch and that aint enough. The version of WK that fought Fury was bored, unmotivated and just ticking off another title defense, the version who fought AJ was motivated and hungry, knowing it was his last big chance for glory.

Shows how much having your head shoved up Fury's arse clouds your vision on reality.
Well, if Fast Eddie said so, then it must be true !

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I would believe Eddie a 1000 times more than Fury or Wilder or any of their cronies.
 
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