Should consensus scoring be used?

I think you would still get bad decisions. De la Hoya got a gift against Sturm so he could fight Hopkins. If a consensus was brought in then they (judges) could be swayed to score more iffy rounds to the name / hometown fighter so that a "correct" result could be rendered.

I've had a look at some fighters from the 1890's & there was a lot of iffy decisions around NY due to betting scandals. Shit happens & has been going on since boxing came about.

Havik said:

Quick count: 7-5 Bradley. I don't think you can compensate for bad/corrupt judges by counting their scores differently. The summary execution of judges handing in absurd scorecards would be a more rational way to solve the problem.

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Please stop with bad / corrupt judging for this fight, Pacman lost fair & square. 115-113 for Bradley

Bryn said:

You're in the minority, Scribbs. Can't see a case for Bradley winning.

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Fair do's, I'm in a minority, but the point is that the fight was closer than most people make out. I think it's silly that judges would intentionally fuck over Pacman if there was still a glimmer of hop in making the PBF fight. Cunningham - Adamek 2 was a worse decision imo.

JamieC said:

I have to disagree with this, i saw a poll (may have been Boxing News?) where over 90% had Pacquiao winning, i dont see how that can be a win for Bradley

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This issue is that 10% or less had Bradley winning or maybe a draw & 2 judges who have the all important vote agreed with this minority. We've debated this before Jamie , but as i've said in response to Bryn, the fight was a lot closer than a lot of people make out. Some were calling it the worst decision ever, give me a break. If peep's have Pacman by a slim margin, then I've no argument but not by 10 points. It annoys me that they are seen as incompetent because decision was against a general consensus, whereas the incompetent elements for me are the wide scores than some have put out.

Havik said:

The fightscorecollector guy only found 1 press score for Bradley, and a couple of dozen wide-ish scores for Pac: http://fightscorecollector.blogspot.be/2012/06/robbery-bradley-dethrones-pacquiao.html . When almost everyone thinks a decision went the wrong way, then it probably did.

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For me, it went the right way, for others it didn't, I accept that but there are people who believe Bradley won, it's just a close decision that's contentious not a corrupt fight, that's the point I'm making

Four times with Bradley winning 115-113 x 3, 116-113 x1.

Anyway, I've hijacked this thread from the original debate but using the Bradley fight then I would say no to consensus. That being said I get the point you make in regards to the OP, I think we need to a different scoring system but on the same lines as we have now.

I would go on a rounds system & if a fight was drawn (e.g. 6 rounds each) then go to a points system. A round would be 10-9 for a win, 10-8 for a very dominant round & then extra deducted for knockdowns. It would need some tweaking but as a general blueprint it would be ok, I think. This is how it used to be scored on the rounds basis.

Lunny said:

Cunningham-Adamek was certainly worse but both were awful imo. It was one of those fights where I couldn't find 7 rounds to give Bradley.

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Like I've said, I know I'm arguing against most of the world on this one. This is the fight that finally made me realise not to take opinions from articles / fight reports / others seriously anymore, to make my own mind up by viewing fights. It makes me wonder on some of the fights through history that I may have scored differentl but will never get the chance due to no film existing. It was a pivotal moment for me in boxing, change my outlook.

Shocked Quartz said:

HBO commentary was a disgrace in this fight and influenced people, Lampley was calling shots landed by Bradley as shots landed by Pacquiao at points! Was a close fight that could have gone either way. I thought it was mental how people thought it was such a robbery as well.

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Yeah mate, That's how I viewd it with lampley. there's a nughugger vid that is/was on youtube that is a bit dramatic but explains it how I saw it. It's history now, time to move on (until another debate brings it up then i'll be off again atschatschatschatsch:lol

chatty said:

I had Pacquaio 10-2 - Bradley didn't land shit untill the last 2 rounds -

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learn how to score a fight

chatty said:

Says one of three people in the whole world who scored it for bradley

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yeah but the other 2 mattered didn't they? check mate

chatty said:

Only in politics - no one who watches properly listens to judges anymore do they

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whats politics got to do with it?