[Macho_Grande]

I'm not one for knee jerk reactions but after seeing that, I really think Khan should retire. (For health reasons if anything)

Where does he go from he?

His ego (& his teams) are to rampant to drop to undercards.
For that same reason I doubt he'll come back over to England to try & rebuild here.
He hasn't learnt a bean from Freddie Roach.
Those Wild Card gym wars have not done him any good
He still has no inside game, he still leaves his chin out there during an exchange
He has no survival instincts
He can't follow instructions (Roach, 2,3 maximum 4 punch combinations. Get in, get out, don't engage)
He has minimal power (speed yes, power no)
His chin is below average.

Khan will still carry those deficiencies up to 147 where the fighters bang even harder..... I'm actually worried for him.

Malignaggi has been talking about avenging the Hatton defeat. Perhaps that's a route Khan could go but apart from that, I don't know. Ortiz is a very bad idea for those calling that. Ortiz is way to big & strong for Khan.

Brook perhaps is an option but I think that's to risky for either fighter. If Khan lost to Brook then it is over for him. If Brook loses to Khan then his credentials to be a real player at 147 would be seriously questioned.

Where does Khan go next?

 

[Pro box North east]

A loss is not the end of the world he still a young lad,Think Khan would destroy Brook much to fast.

 

[DrMo]

The sad thing is after the Peterson defeat, perhaps because of all the surrounding circumstances, Amir didnt seem to address those weaknesses which caused him so much trouble.

After last nights result he will have to go back to the drawing board & make some serious changes, Amir's tactics & instincts just dont match up well with his Xs & Os.

Khan isnt finished or anywhere near retirement, he's shown the strength of character to comeback from this kind of defeat before & with his workethic he wont lack for trying. But on the road he's currently on I'm not sure how much further can he go.

 

[wgain]

I think he should fight Humberto Soto next as hes coming back from a lost, then fight Lamont Peterson and if he wins that i would like to see a rematch with Garcia

 

[Libertarian]

I think he needs to move camps, it's clearly not working with Roach, who's first, second and third priority is Pacquiao and the circus that surrounds him, including Alex Knobhead and Buboy Fernandez.

He's not improved at all technically, only tactically, but once the red mist comes down or he gets clipped everything goes out of the window, in the same way that Clevery does. The difference is that one can take a shot and the other can't.

Garcia ain't all that at all IMO, that's two average opponents in a row that have shown him up completely between them.

It's a question of how much he wants it now.... he's been given the big bucks, will he now want to rebuild with three bad defeats on his slate?

It's different to (say) Bruno who lost only one fight that he should have won, the three of the others came in huge matchups and the fifth was a cashout job.

 

[Boxed Ears]

When I look at the roster of names he's faced since his first loss and take under consideration I didn't even have him losing any in between that and Garcia, I have to say, though I see the same flaws most of you see, I am impressed by the fights he's been turning in for years now and see no reason he should give up on himself. Amir is young, has a big fan-base, didn't take all that much damage, really. His two stoppage losses, they weren't sustained beatings or anything. Maidana and Peterson were wars but he's got Malignaggi and Judah type fights in there where he's barely getting anything back. The way he fights, if he keeps going, even if no one wants to consider him great, he'll have a good shot at the HOF. If he can spread out those big danger fights a bit, he might have a long career yet. I hear the publisher's of that Yogi Bera quote book will be there for him when he retires.

 

[Miguel2010]

No, not cos he's just shit...he's making good coin...If I was making good coin, and you know your gonna make good coin, what ya gonna do?????

Simple as that.

Glad he got beat if even just to shut the cunts mush up about Floyd.

Strange cunt.

Take tht shit an Angel the Dark Guru with ya...

Go see who called a Garcia K.O on the vote thread....Mukes.

 

[Flea Man]

Doesn't need to retire but as I said years ago he does not have the punch resistance to be a top level fighter and his style is not buikt for longevity.

Move up to welter and take on Matt Hatton (not joking) then try and build for a big fight with Kell Brook. That's where the money is now.

I honestly think Kell would stop him though, said that before last night as well!

 

[Flea Man]

Oh, he could move up and beat Paulie with ease.

I don't think any proper welterweights will have trouble stopping him though. Carson Jones would do him IMO. No chin + no power + no ring I.Q is a bad combo.

 

[BoxingAnalyst]

Just woke up, My brother told me the result, I started cracking up laughing, Khans glass jaw coming into play again.

The lad really is thick as pig shit both inside and outside the ring, bless him.

 

[Libertarian]

I wouldn't have picked Kell to beat him until I saw Kell vs Mad Matt, from then on I was starting to be swayed.

I think Brook's feet would be key, even though Khan puts himself in harm's way by getting his own feet out of position when he throws you've still got to be in the right spots, and Brook is quick enough to do that, and has power in both hands too.

I'd be even more confident with Kell passing his gut check last week, it was the major box that wasn't really ticked - ridiculous how easy he was matched under Allegedly but it's good that he's being moved on now.

All the guys that have troubled Khan are the ones that will punch with him, the ones that have struggled against him are those that wait until he finishes throwing before looking to get their shots off, and usually he's skipped out of range by then.

I'm actually pleased that he's not going to get the Floyd fight now, because I think it would leave him a dishevelled mess, he'd be made to look shite and be beaten up at the same time, before being put out of his misery in the middle rounds. It would be like watching the 8th round of the Hatton fight over and over again.

Mad Matt might trouble him actually, not saying he'd win by any means but he'd keep coming forward and has a decent 1-2 that he could land. Is he really all that inferior to Lamont? Not really IMHO. Khan would decision him but labour like fuck whilst doing so.

 

[Libertarian]

Some interesting vids in griff's thread.

Well worth a listen.

 

[wrimc]

Just watched the fight this morning. No Khan shouldnt retire but he needs to take a long hard look at himself. Maybe he hasnt got an ATG skillset. Does that matter no? Does he have some top attributes? Yes. Does he have some poor ones? Yes. That said I think that he should have easily beaten Garcia. He could have Kotelnik'ed Garcia if he wanted to. He got to confident throwing silly shots. Left hook right uppercut combo in the third round?! Thats a stupid combo to throw in the third with somebody who is still catching you. Would the jab and flurry alternative be more boring? Yes but would he have won? Yes.

He is a very frustrating character. I actually have quite a lot of admiration for Khan he desperately wants to entertain and be known for his heart but sometimes as shown last night its going to be to the detriment of his career. I agree about Roach I think he has either stopped learning from him or has plateaued Roach is invested in Pac and probably Chavez Jr more than Khan.

 

[Flea Man]

Just watched the fight this morning. No Khan shouldnt retire but he needs to take a long hard look at himself. Maybe he hasnt got an ATG skillset. Does that matter no? Does he have some top attributes? Yes. Does he have some poor ones? Yes. That said I think that he should have easily beaten Garcia. He could have Kotelnik'ed Garcia if he wanted to. He got to confident throwing silly shots. Left hook right uppercut combo in the third round?! Thats a stupid combo to throw in the third with somebody who is still catching you. Would the jab and flurry alternative be more boring? Yes but would he have won? Yes.

He is a very frustrating character. I actually have quite a lot of admiration for Khan he desperately wants to entertain and be known for his heart but sometimes as shown last night its going to be to the detriment of his career. I agree about Roach I think he has either stopped learning from him or has plateaued Roach is invested in Pac and probably Chavez Jr more than Khan.

He doesn't have the ring I.Q to make these improvements. Kotelnik's style, and Paulie's, were perfect for him because neither can punch for shit, and Kotelnik had little chance of laying an accumulative beating on Amir.

He just isn't ever going to the best at any weight class he fights in. There are more fighters that haven't made it, as you more than most posters are aware of. Look back through history again mate. Khan isn't cut out for the top.

IMHO of course :thumbsup

 

[Chatty]

Khan V Ortiz would be a hell of a fight, they both have one if the worst ring IQs i have ever seen, it would probably be a war.

 

[Nyanners :sad5]

Can you imagine Mayweather's expression when he's told this news in the pen?

"Pacquiao and Khan both lost? What the fuck is going on out there?"

 

[wrimc]

He doesn't have the ring I.Q to make these improvements. Kotelnik's style, and Paulie's, were perfect for him because neither can punch for shit, and Kotelnik had little chance of laying an accumulative beating on Amir.

He just isn't ever going to the best at any weight class he fights in. There are more fighters that haven't made it, as you more than most posters are aware of. Look back through history again mate. Khan isn't cut out for the top.

IMHO of course :thumbsup

I think you are probably right about the will never be the best. I think potentially it could set up an interesting win some, lose some type of career for Khan if he wants to continue at the top level. Not sure if his ego would allow that. I know in the pantheon of past fighters even of a similar level Khan matches up pretty poorly head to head. Against the current crop I think if he applied himself properly he could give some good fighters good fights. I think you are right in saying handpicking opponents might be crucial for success.

I think people talking about Ortiz fight that might be a bad one for Khan. Ortiz is nothing special but never fancied this style matchup for Khan. He would get involved in a firefight with Ortiz and get clocked. Maidana beat him because he was willing to take one more than Ortiz. Khan cant do that. Mayweather beat him because Ortiz is a dope. Lopez beat him because he was able to land crisps counters using good footwork to damage Ortiz. Ortiz would take Khans shots and land his own which are strong enough to make Khan fold.

 

[BoxingAnalyst]

Saj Mohamed's twitter

"Low blows, blind punches, temple shots, Khan nearly made it through and Garcia was getting tired but ref stopped it, oh well shit happens, well done to team garcia" #LuckyPunch #KhanWillBeBack

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

[Flea Man]

Can you imagine Mayweather's expression when he's told this news in the pen?

"Pacquiao and Khan both lost? What the fuck is going on out there?"

:lol:

 

[DrMo]

Saj Mohamed's twitter

"Low blows, blind punches, temple shots, Khan nearly made it through and Garcia was getting tired but ref stopped it, oh well shit happens, well done to team garcia" #LuckyPunch #KhanWillBeBack

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Another PR masterclass from team Khan. I dont dislike the lad personally (he's just a bit dim) but his entourage is full of fools who dksab.