[Macho_Grande]

Is there a chance that if we brought back same day weigh-ins, boxers would stop boiling down so much?

I like Chavez Jnr, but loading on 18lbs before a fight is just plain wrong. (not digging him out, just using him as an example)

Same with Ortiz, fight night he's a middleweight fighting a welterweight.

It's bollox.

Can't the sanctioning bodies bring in a maximum rehydration rule or something?

 

[DrMo]

I think one of the alphabet orgs have a 10% maximum rehydration clause.

I think same day weigh ins should be reintroduced but only with check weights done 1week & 24hrs as well. The main danger/argument against same-day weighins is guys crashing & losing loads of weight then failing to recover by fight time.

The biggest problem with 24hr+ plus weigh ins is that the conditioning aspect of preparation is more to do with reducing water weight than anything else. Guys cutting 10% or more of their bodyweight repeatedly affect stamina & performance levels, it doesnt add to a fighters career longevity either imo

Same day weigh ins would mean guys fighting closer to their natural weights & this would make for better fights. The training could be more skill based instead of being a competition over who can cut the most weight & arrive in the ring biggest.

 

[BoxingAnalyst]

How the fuck does he make 160? He's huge.

 

[Libertarian]

I'd go back to same day weigh-ins.

With the correct pre-checking procedures now in place there's no need for the 24hr period.

It was brought in with the best of intentions but it's being abused, with fighters adding a stone overnight, which can't be healthy, surely?

Cutting weight doesn't make a fighter better either, Floyd, Marquez and Pac (these days) aren't cutters and they're the best in the sport.

If there's a check a week before, and then a rule stating that only a few % can be added, I think that's the way to go.

 

[Chatty]

I think the IBF have the best system for this, having a weigh in the day before and then again on the day of the fight with a rehydration limit. Probably the best way I can think to do it but boxers are always going to look for an advantage through dropping weight or rehydrating, I'm not sure their a
is a way to compltely even the field out on this issue

 

[Libertarian]

If they were to stick with the current system they could allow 5% as a limit overnight, and perhaps 5% allowed to be lost in the week before the fight.

Saying that, people will try and get around it, though it's at their own risk. There's enough info and education out there now, so boxing can have a clear concience in that respect.

 

[Macho_Grande]

If they were to stick with the current system they could allow 5% as a limit overnight, and perhaps 5% allowed to be lost in the week before the fight.

Saying that, people will try and get around it, though it's at their own risk. There's enough info and education out there now, so boxing can have a clear concience in that respect.

Would sanctioning bodies & promoters support this idea??

What with the PEDs issues & this. More & more fights run the risk of being cancelled. Seems like its easier to turn a blond eye sad really

 

[Libertarian]

Would sanctioning bodies & promoters support this idea??

What with the PEDs issues & this. More & more fights run the risk of being cancelled. Seems like its easier to turn a blond eye sad really

No, probably not.

The only people who want boxing to be clean and fair are the fans.

It's not in the best interests of anyone else, to be honest.

At the end of the day the fighters are accountable for their own actions, so if you're happy to take the risk on your own health and potentially damaging your opponent, on your head be it.

 

[Meast]

I'd go back to same day weigh-ins.

With the correct pre-checking procedures now in place there's no need for the 24hr period.

It was brought in with the best of intentions but it's being abused, with fighters adding a stone overnight, which can't be healthy, surely?

Cutting weight doesn't make a fighter better either, Floyd, Marquez and Pac (these days) aren't cutters and they're the best in the sport.

If there's a check a week before, and then a rule stating that only a few % can be added, I think that's the way to go.

Aye agreed. Don't mind weigh-ins the day before as it adds more of a build up, having a limit is probably the best way, there's been some ridiculous increases over the years

 

[DanielJFiasco]

Very hard to enforce any method IMO. The problem I have with rehydration limits is that each boxer has a man in his corner with as much water as he can carry. At what point are they going to weigh the fighters? Before they leave the dressing room? In the ring? The absolute nightmare scenario is guys being weighed before the first bell and then trying to rehydrate during the fight.

The body is about 70% water, and so unfortunately the window is huge for dangerous cutting and boiling down. There is no way you can eat 5lbs of food without shitting it out in the 24hrs upto a fight without either having a belly like Santa Claus, and/or suffering massive cramps and digestive distress, so right off the bat you know that Chavez is rehydrating minimum of 13lbs, probably more like 15-16. He will come unstuck before too long, just like Oscar did. The body simply isn't meant to do that, and I worry that we will see another horrible catastrophe before too long because of the sheer number of monster cutters in the sport at the moment, all pushing the boundaries.

 

[Robney]

Weird thing is, the WBC came out with a statement they would return to the "same day weigh-in" method... only I've heard nothing about it since then.

 

[CamR21]

100% it's unfair what Chavez gets away with

 

[Rooq]

Very hard to enforce any method IMO. The problem I have with rehydration limits is that each boxer has a man in his corner with as much water as he can carry. At what point are they going to weigh the fighters? Before they leave the dressing room? In the ring? The absolute nightmare scenario is guys being weighed before the first bell and then trying to rehydrate during the fight.

The body is about 70% water, and so unfortunately the window is huge for dangerous cutting and boiling down. There is no way you can eat 5lbs of food without shitting it out in the 24hrs upto a fight without either having a belly like Santa Claus, and/or suffering massive cramps and digestive distress, so right off the bat you know that Chavez is rehydrating minimum of 13lbs, probably more like 15-16. He will come unstuck before too long, just like Oscar did. The body simply isn't meant to do that, and I worry that we will see another horrible catastrophe before too long because of the sheer number of monster cutters in the sport at the moment, all pushing the boundaries.

ultimately it is down to each fighter and his team to prepare for a fight safely. returning to same day weigh-in's will stop all but the most reckless (or desperate) of fighters from dangerously cutting weight

 

[Macho_Grande]

20lbs he put on between weigh-in & fight night....20lbs is fucking outrageous

 

[DonBoxer]

Its getting out of hand now you have fighters jumping 2 weight classes over night.

 

[Captain Freedom]

I think one of the alphabet orgs have a 10% maximum rehydration clause.

I think same day weigh ins should be reintroduced but only with check weights done 1week & 24hrs as well. The main danger/argument against same-day weighins is guys crashing & losing loads of weight then failing to recover by fight time.

The biggest problem with 24hr+ plus weigh ins is that the conditioning aspect of preparation is more to do with reducing water weight than anything else. Guys cutting 10% or more of their bodyweight repeatedly affect stamina & performance levels, it doesnt add to a fighters career longevity either imo

Same day weigh ins would mean guys fighting closer to their natural weights & this would make for better fights. The training could be more skill based instead of being a competition over who can cut the most weight & arrive in the ring biggest.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[GazOC]

I think from a sporting point of view that same day weigh-ins are fairer but, from a brain trauma point of view, the 24 hour system is a lot safer so unless something can be done to address that its a tough call to go back to the "old" system.

As said, I think the IBFs 15% rule is a decent enough compromise in the face of no one coming up with anything better. What ever system is in place DOES need to protect boxers from the themselves when cutting weight, I don't buy the "well they know the risks" line, that will just end in ring tragedies and calls for boxing to be banned.

 

[Libertarian]

It wouldn't surprise me if ''fight night weights'' became part of a contractual agreement in the near future.

Rather than catchweights or whatever - just say ''you can't be more than X in the ring''.

I suppose some fighters are that desperate that they'll take even greater risks than they ordinarily would in order to win....

 

[icemax]

Same day weigh ins, 15 round minimum title fights, 6oz gloves and no judges...the challenger has to stop the champ to take the title...Notional winner decided by ringside press acclamation

 

[GazOC]

That "stop the champ" rule was a shocker. Not all "progress" in boxing has been for the better but getting rid of that rule was one if its better moves.