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DrMO: Lost Generation Heavyweights 1982-1989 (Dokes/Witherspoon/Thomas)
Lost Generation Heavyweights 1982-1989 Continued (Greg Page/Tucker/Dokes)

Vano Irons: Jimmy Wilde

Wallet: 'Smokin' Joe Frazier

Wallet: Sergio 'Maravilla' Martinez

Vano Irons: Ezzard 'The Cincinnati Cobra' Charles

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so...can we post paragraphs along the lines of 'did you know that....' or does it have to be full articles ??....i.e. can it just be interesting snippets too ??

example of what i mean....if i posted this...


Joe Jeanette's most memorable fight occurred on April 17, 1909 in a return bout with Sam McVey in Paris, France that lasted three-and-a-half-hours, and 49 rounds, the longest boxing match of the 20th century, and one of the greatest marathons in boxing history. Although McVey began the fight strong and looked like a sure winner, knocking down the usually sturdy Jeannette 27 times, and almost knocking him out in the 16th round with a right uppercut to Jeanette’s jaw, he weakened greatly by the 19th round. Jeanette took control, knocking down McVey, a boxer (who had only been stopped once in his career, by Johnson), 19 times. After the 49th round, McVey could not rise from his stool at the call of time and Jeannette was declared winner on a technical knockout. This won him the "World Colored Heavyweight Championship," as Jack Johnson had defeated Tommy Burns for his heavyweight title the previous December.

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Would be best if it was full articles mate, I'll get one up in a bit, I don't want to commit plagiarism but do we think we should get the whole lot over if you know what I mean

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so...can we post paragraphs along the lines of 'did you know that....' or does it have to be full articles ??....i.e. can it just be interesting snippets too ??

example of what i mean....if i posted this...


Joe Jeanette's most memorable fight occurred on April 17, 1909 in a return bout with Sam McVey in Paris, France that lasted three-and-a-half-hours, and 49 rounds, the longest boxing match of the 20th century, and one of the greatest marathons in boxing history. Although McVey began the fight strong and looked like a sure winner, knocking down the usually sturdy Jeannette 27 times, and almost knocking him out in the 16th round with a right uppercut to Jeanette's jaw, he weakened greatly by the 19th round. Jeanette took control, knocking down McVey, a boxer (who had only been stopped once in his career, by Johnson), 19 times. After the 49th round, McVey could not rise from his stool at the call of time and Jeannette was declared winner on a technical knockout. This won him the "World Colored Heavyweight Championship," as Jack Johnson had defeated Tommy Burns for his heavyweight title the previous December.
Do you remember the one on ESB? it's exactly like that. Just seeing as this is new home of boxing might as well do a new thread.

People can C&P there work from ESB into this one, even better it etc.

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The Lost Generation
Heavyweights 1982-1989

The period in between the dominant championship reigns of Holmes & Tyson saw several, highly talented fighters win a world title but none of them ever achieved their full potential. These 6 fighters; Dokes, Witherspoon, Thomas, Page, Tubbs & Tucker were all born within a year of each other & would between them win all 3 major belts. The 1980's was a time of excess & this motley crew of talented fighters partied harder than any other generation.

Teddy Atlas "The problem with those guys is they had no personal discipline, no work ethic. It wasn't about a lack of talent. They lacked consistency, dedication, commitment, the right mentality."

Manny Steward ""It was an era of guys who had some of the worst work ethic ever in boxing. It's an era where I can't really remember who beat who. They can blame Don King but he kept getting them all titles shots and rematches. He didn't stop them from training. They stopped themselves."

In the 1980's Don King held a powerful grip on the heavyweight division & there were shady deals, dodgy scorecards & legal disputes galore. There has never been a time in boxing when so many talented guys won titles & then self-destructed in an endless orgy of drugs, drink & women.


Michael "Dynamite" Dokes
WBA Heavyweight champion 1982-1983

Record: 53(34)-6(5)-2
Born: Akron, Ohio 10/8/1958
Height: 6'3
Reach: 78"
Favourite past time: Massive cocaine binges

Michael "Dynamite" Dokes was an exciting fighter, he could box, he could move & he had some of the fastest hands the division has ever seen. He also had a decent chin, a big heart & a fierce fighting spirit, all the ingredients to make an excellent champion.

Michael began boxing at the age of 11 & was a prodigious talent. After lying about his age he reached the national Golden Gloves final at only 15. At 17 he lost to Cuban great Teofilo Stevenson 3-2 in the finals of the the Pan-American games. Dokes beat future world champs John Tate & Greg Page on his way to winning the national Golden Gloves in 1976 & he turned pro soon after.

With Don King in his corner Dokes had a good start to his pro career, picking up wins over Jimmy Young, Ossie Ocasio & Jon Lewis Gardner.

He rose rapidly up the rankings & in 1982 he faced Mike "Hercules" Weaver for the WBA title. Dokes was razor-sharp & jumped all over Weaver, dropping him heavily then trapping him on the ropes for several unanswered flurries. The bout was controversially stopped in the 1st round & Dokes became the new champ.

An immediate rematch followed & Dokes turned up heavier & looking much softer than their 1st bout, there were rumours about his lack of training & over-indulging. The rematch took place under the hot sun in Vegas & it was an unrelenting 15 round war in which momentum ebbed & flowed after a strong start by Dokes. Many observers felt Weaver had done enough to win but the judges ruled the fight a draw & Dokes retained his title.

In his next defense Dokes fought the power-punching Gerrie Coetzee whilst under the influence of cocaine & was brutally knocked out in the 10th. Don King walked over the semi-conscious Dokes (who was laid out on the canvas) to congratulate the new champion & Michael was never the same fighter again. His life quickly spiralled out of control as his cocaine addiction overwhelmed him.


Terrible Tim Witherspoon
WBC heavyweight champion 1984

Record: 55(38 )-13(4)-1
Born: Philadephia 27/12/1957
Height: 6'3
Reach: 78"
Favourite past time: Being a lazy stoner

Terrible Tim Witherspoon was big & tough, an athletic switch-hitting boxer-puncher with power in both hands & an effective cross-armed defence. Of all the lost generation he fucked up the least & probably achieved the most.

'Spoon played a lot of high-school football & didnt start boxing until he was 19. After only 9 amatuer fights he turned pro & quickly found employment as a sparring partner for Muhammed Ali. After a series of good performance he was signed up by Don King a steered towards a title.

In 1982 he beat the perennial contender Renaldo Snipes to earn a 1983 shot at the unbeaten heavyweight king, Larry Holmes. 'Spoon shocked the boxing world by the level of his performance, pushing Holmes to the brink in a thrilling fight which the champion was awarded by a razor-close split decision.

Despite the loss, the young Witherspoon's stock had risen & after a couple more wins he earned a second shot at the title. Holmes had vacated the WBC belt rather than face challenger Greg Page & so 'Spoon stepped in & in 1984 he prevailed in a very hard fought war of attrition to become the new WBC world champ. The critics predicted a bright future for Tim but it wasnt to be.

Terrible Tim wouldnt have the title for long. In his next fight he face the unbeaten Pinklon Thomas & 'Spoon started strongly but was breathing hard by the 3rd round. The tough Thomas seemed immune to Spoons power & he controlled the fight with his powerful jab. After 12 entertaining rounds Thomas won on points to become the new WBC champ.


Pinklon "Pink" Thomas
WBC heavyweight champion 1984-1986​

Record: 43(34)-7(5)-1
Born: Pontiac, Michigan 10/2/1958
Height: 6'3
Reach: 77"
Favourite past time: Shooting up heroin

Pink was a tough guy with a great chin & one of the best jabs in the divisions history. A left-handed orthodox boxer who was trained by the legendary Angelo Dundee he had a lot of potential but sadly never made the most of his considerable talents.

Pinklon grew up on the mean streets of Pontiac & his childhood was a nightmarish start in the world. He 1st tried heroin at 12 & was a full-blown addict at 14. By 16 he had been a pimp & done armed robberies but after stepping into a gym he began to turn his life around.

He turned pro after only 3 amatuer fights & steadily built up a solid record, including a draw with Coetzee & a win over James Tillis. After beating Witherspoon he defended his title against Mike "Hercules" Weaver. In their entertaining 1985 fight Thomas looked excellent as he dropped Weaver in the 1st round & then knocked him out with a beautiful right hand in the 8th.

Pinklon lost the title in his next fight against Berbick in 1986 as drink & drugs began to take over his life once again. He would never become world champion again. He fought again for a world title, in 1987 against Tyson but was stopped in 6 rounds & suffered the only knockdown of his career. In his next fight against Holyfield he was retired by his corner & developed a full-time crack habit. These days he's a councillor & born-again Christian.

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Greg Page
WBA Heavyweight champion 1984-1985

Record: 58 (48 )-17(6)-1
Born: Louisville, Kentucky 25/10/1958
Died: Louisville, Kentucky 27/4/2009
Height: 6'2
Reach: 81"
Favourite past time: Everything but training

Of all the Lost Generation Page was perhaps the most talented & certainly the most tragic. Coming from the same town as Ali the comparison's were inevitable. Greg Page had a loose-limbed & elusive style, he could float around the ring & he had quick hands & decent power. Sadly the "New Ali" imploded like so many of his peers & he ended up suffering terrible injuries before his death at the age of 50.

Page was a successful amatuer & after winning several national tournaments he turned pro in 1979. He started his pro career with an impressive string of victories which left the boxing scribes drooling at what he might achieve. Here he is knocking out the experienced Alfredo Evangelista in 2 rounds.

After beating Jimmy Young in 1982 Page lost for the 1st time against Berbick, after breaking his right thumb in the 2nd Page lost a decision over 10 rounds. Greg's weight fluctuated as he partied more than he trained but he managed to beat Tillis & Snipes & earn a #1 rating with the WBC. The champion Larry Holmes turned down an offer to fight Page & so Greg fought Tim Witherspoon for the vacant belt. After disagreeing with Don King over money Page went on strike in the gym & refused to train. Weighing at almost 240lbs Page lost on points & fired his long-time trainer after the fight.

In his next fight Page turned up in better shape but lost to the unbeaten & #6 ranked David Bay on points. Bay refused to travel to South Africa to face the WBA champion Gerrie Coetzee but Page jumped at the opportunity. Coetzee was heavily favoured to win but Page finally put in a career-best performance & he fought magnificently. In a great fight Page shook off heavy bombs from the hard-hitting Coetzee & was able to outbox & outpunch the champion. After a sensational 7th round Page knocked Coetzee clean out with a left hook to become the new WBA champ.

Having finally won a world title Page followed the same road as his peers as promptly lost it in his next fight. In 1985 he faced the unbeaten Tony Tubbs & although the fight had few fireworks it was a technical boxing match of fencing jabs & counters. Tubbs was the underdog & 10lbs lighter than the soft looking Page, his extra mobility & conditioning helped him ease away in the final 6 rounds to win a UD over 15 & become the new WBA champ.

After this loss Page began a dizzy downward spiral & he never fought for a title again. He was a long-term sparring partner for Tyson & he fought on for years. In his final bout in 2001 he was brutally knocked out & suffered a serious brain-injury which brought on numerous other medical problems. He never fully recovered & died aged 50 in 2009.

Tony "TNT" Tubbs
WBA heavyweight champion 1985-1986

Record: 47 (35)- 10 (5)
Born: Cincinnati, Ohio 15/2/1958
Height: 6'3
Reach: 79"
Favourite past time: Eating junk food & snorting coke

Tony "TNT" Tubbs was a smart, talented boxer with quick hands & an elusive slick style. Tubbs was an accomplished amatuer who had over 250 fights & won national & world cup competitions. He would have gone to the 1980 olympics but the US boycotted the games, Tubbs had a lucky escape when he missed a flight in 1980 which contained several of his amateur team-mates & coaches, the plane crashed & killed 87 people.

Tony turned pro in 1980 & had a promosing start to his career. In 1983 he outpointed Jimmy Young & was signed up by Don King. Rising up the rankings he beat Bonecrusher Smith to earn his successful title shot at Greg Page. The predictable followed, Tubbs went out partying & turned up 20lbs overweight for his 1st defense against a fleshy looking Tim Witherspoon. In a poor fight 'Spoon was awarded a close decision but tested positive for weed in his post-fight drug test, a rematch was ordered but Tubbs withdrew injured & went off the rails.

Tubbs took on Tyson for all the belts in 1988 but was knocked out in 2, he never fought for the title again. Tubbs has been a sparring partner for many top fighters & had his final fight in 2006. He has been to jail several times for drug related offences & non-payment of child support for his 16 kids.

Terrible Tim Witherspoon
WBA heavyweight champion 1986

After losing his WBC belt to Thomas Tim had put in some good performances, stopping US champ James Broad in 2 rounds & then dominating Boncrusher Smith for 12 rounds. After beating Tubbs 'Spoon became only the 3rd man in history to win 2 world titles & for his 1st defence he travelled to England to take on the hugely popular Frank Bruno in Wembley stadium.

In an entertaining fight Bruno started well but the durable Witherspoon came on strong & stopped the brave Bruno in the 11th round of a scheduled 15 round fight. Bruno earned £1m for his efforts, Witherspoon was due the same but was only paid $90k by his promoter Don King.

Furious about the financial situation 'Spoon was poorly prepared for his next fight, a rematch with Boncrusher Smith with the winner lined up for a hugely lucrative fight against the youngest champ in history, Mike Tyson. Though a heavy favourite 'Spoon wasnt fully focused but the dangerous Bonecrusher was fired up. Their 1986 fight was a crazy, action packed 1 round brawl. 'Spoon had never been knocked down before but he was floored 3 times & lost the title in a wild fight.

Post fight 'Spoon failed another drug test & sued Don King for his lost purse against Bruno. King settled out of court for $1m but Witherspoon was never given another title shot. For the remainder of the 80's he was reduced to fighting infrequently & at a low level.

Tony "TNT" Tucker
IBF heavyweight world champion 1987​

Record: 57(47)-7(3)-0
Born: Grand Rapids, Michigan 27/12/1958
Height: 6'5
Reach: 81"
Favourite past time: Smoking crack

Tony "TNT" Tucker was a big, powerful man with a great chin & a decent skill set. He was another talented guy with great potential whose career was ruined by drugs.

Tucker was a successful amatuer, in 1979 he won the light-heavyweight national, world-cup & Pan-Am games. He turned pro in 1980 but made slow progress, he was frequently injured & regularly changed trainers & managers. Eventually he hooked up with Emmanuel Steward & after beating a Eddie "The Animal" Lopez, Jimmy Young & the rated James Broad he got his title shot.

In 1987 he fought Buster Douglas for the vacant IBF title & it was a close, competitive bout between 2 big, skilled operators. As Douglas tired Tucker hurt him with several big shots & won via TKO in the 10th.

Next up for Tucker was the unbeaten Mike Tyson & even though Tucker had injured his right hand in sparring Tucker rocked Tyson with a big uppercut early on & managed to survive for 12 rounds. After losing Tucker dissappeared from the ring for almost 2years as he battled with drug addiction. Tucker held the title for a little over 2 months, the shortest reign in history.

Michael "Dynamite" Dokes​

After losing his title in devastating fashion in 1983 Dokes had drifted away from the sport & after 1985 he was away from the ring for 2 1/2 years. His cocaine abuse was at almost unbelievable levels, he admitted to buying kilos at a time & had several brushes with the law. In 1987 he was out of rehab, clean & sober & ready to have one more shot. After winning 7 fights in 1988 he was awarded the Ring magazine comeback of the year.

In 1989 Dokes took on the unbeaten former cruiserweight king Evander Holyfield & the fight turned into an epic war. It is widely considered the finest heavyweight fight of the 1980's & is a must-watch if you havent seen it before. Holyfield finally prevailed in the 10th round of an awesome fight.

Dokes fought on but was demolished in 4 by Razor Ruddock & in his final title fight in 1993 Bowe ruined him in the 1st round. In 1999 Dokes was sent to prison for a very nasty assault on his girlfriend & he was released on parole in 2008, he is currently battling liver cancer.

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Name: Jimmy Wilde

Date: 12 / 5 / 1892 - 10 / 3 / 1969

Weight: Flyweight

Height: 5′ 2½″/ 159cm

Reach: 66″ / 168cm

Boxing Record: 134 (100) - 4 (3) - 2 (Newspaper Decisions 4-1-0)

Born in Wales in 1892 to the son of a coal miner, Jimmy Wilde, aka 'the mighty atom', started boxing at the age of 16 in local fair grounds where he would challenge local hard men in order to make ends meat. The onlooking crowds gasped in amazement as Wilde took on, and beat, all comers regardless of their size and weight, often scoring knockouts against men twice his size.

Officially, Wilde turned professional in December 1910, where the young Welshman fought a no contest with Les Williams in Pontypridd. This somewhat medicore start was not, however, a sign of things to come as 'little Jimmy' embarked on a 103 unbeaten run, seeing him capture the British 7 stone championship with an eighth round KO of Billy Padden, a relitive novice from Glasgow.

Wilde's impressive winning streak came to an end, however, when he challenged Tancy Lee for the vacant European Flyweight Title. Wilde, outweighed officially by almost a stone, was finally stopped in the 17th round (of twenty) after his corner stopped the bout. What is intresting to note, however, is that a week before the bout, Jimmy Wilde came down with the flu, and was even physically sick moments before the fight. A brief clip can be seen here:

Wilde, seemingly aggravated by his first professional loss, then embarked on a brutal 16 fight KO winning streak, winning the British Flyweight title against Joe Symonds (58-9-5), stopping him in the twelfth.

Just three fights later, Wilde would win the IBU 'World' Flyweight title, defeating Johnny Rosner in the 11th. (The IBU, while claiming to be a world organisation, was only recognised in Europe.) This run also saw Wilde stop Sid Smith, a veteran of almost 80 fights.

Feeling unbeatable, Wilde fought twice on the 13th May 1916, defeating both Joe Magnus and ****** Saunders in less than five rounds apiece at the Woolwich Dockyard. On the 26th June of that year, Wilde would avenge his only loss to date, stopping Trancy Lee in the 11th.

Later that year, 'The Mighty Atom' officially became the first World Flyweight Champion by stopping the colourfully named Young Zulu Kid in the 11th. The fight, scheduled for 20, came to an end just after the half way mark when Wilde landed a crushing left to the jaw of 'the Kid', causing the American's corner to throw in the towel. Just three months later, Wilde would unify the World title with the British and European titles, stopping George Clark in four.

Jimmy Wilde continued winning until the 12th December 1918, when he was defeated by the then Bantamweight World Champion Memphis Moore (54-6-13), an opponent who was rumoured to outweigh Wilde by 14 pound on fight night. Like his first defeat against Lee, Wilde, somewhat dubiously, won the rematch against Moore, defeating the American on points over twenty rounds. In 1920, Wilde also defeated the likes of Frankie Mason (62-5-11), Battling Al Murray (26-4), and Patsy Wallace in a bout which drew the then largest crowd in Canadian boxing history.

Wilde's career was to end with dissapointing back to back defeats. In 1921 he was knocked out by Pete Herman (49-9-6) in the 17th and, after a two year retirement, lost to Pancho Vella (62-4-3), the Pilipino all time great, via a 7th round stoppage, sending the Welshmen into retirement for the final time.

Notice how Wilde badly stuns Villa early on.

Jimmy Wilde's record, however, doesn't do him justice. While finishing with a record of 137-4-2 with 100 knockouts, Wilde himself claimed to have fought over 800 times, winning the majority. Wilde's knock out ratio suggests he was an all action slugger who threw bombs in an attempt to knock his opponent out. This, however, wasn't the case, as Wilde was a master of defence, often making opponents look foolish by weaving onslaughts and poping out the jab with a smile on his face. One expert referred to him as 'A ghost with a hammer in his hand'. Wilde's Boxrec records also do not do him justice. Many of his opponents, particularly in his early years, are shown to have very few fights. This, however, is misleading, as the lower weights at the time were very rarely covered during this period of British boxing.

In 1990, Wilde was elected into the Boxing Hall of Fame and, two years later, was voted into the Welsh Sports Hall of Fame. A decade later, Ring Magazine voted Wilde as the 3rd greatest puncher of all time, behind the great Joe Louis and equally great Sam Langford.

Jimmy Wilde died as a result of injuries sustained in a mugging in 1969.

For me, Jimmy Wilde was not only the greatest Flyweight of all time and the greatest British boxer of all time, he was also pound for pound the hardest puncher the sport has ever known. A nice tribute to the Mighty Atom can been seen here:


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Name: Joe Frazier
Nickname: Smokin' Joe

Height: 5 ft. 11.5 in. (182 cm.)

Birth: January 12, 1944

Boxing record
Total fights 37
Wins 32
KO's 27
Losses 4 (3)
Draws 1
No contests 0

Amateur: At the 1964 Tokyo Olympic games Frazier brought home the USA's only Boxing gold medal. Frazier had no business winning a gold medal in the 1964 Olympics. He had been beaten in the Olympic trials by Buster Mathis, a fighter with a far better amateur record. But Mathis broke his thumb while training for the Olympics and Frazier got his chance. It was ironic because in the Olympic semi-finals, Joe Frazier broke his own thumb. But "Smokin' Joe" Frazier was not a man to be denied. He had the thumb taped, basically fought with one hand in the finals and won the gold medal. It was typical of this gutsy fighter.

Cloverlay: Following his 4th pro fight, Yank Durham, Joe Frazier's Manager/Trainer, agreed sponsorship of Frazier with a Group of Philadelphians. A mix of teachers, clergy, bankers and clerks. One notable sponsor was now HBO analyst, Larry Merchant. This arrangement was similar to that of Ali's with the Louisville Sponsoring Group.

80 shares were offered @ $250.00 each.
In turn, they shared in 35% of Joe Fraziers fight purse.
Joe Frazier got 50% of the fight purse.
Plus $100.00/week salary.

After 6-months, Joe Frazier got a raise from $100/Week to $173/Week. By November 1967 it consisted of 231 Shareholders, and had a Net Worth of $468,350. Yank Durham, Joe Frazier's Manager/Trainer got 15% of the Fight Purse.

The Cloverlay, Inc. contract, which started on 1/1/66 ended on December 15, 1974, when Joe Frazier bought out the shareholders for approximately $14,500 per share. In January 1973 Cloverlay's net value was $1,200,000.

Road to Champion: Frazier's professional career did not start as well as he may have hoped. In just his second fight he was knocked down by 5 fight novice Mike Bruce however he went on to score a 3rd round knockout of Bruce. Frazier went on to extend his run of stoppages to 11 until he met tough Argentine Oscar Bonavena. Joe was knocked down twice in the 2nd round en route to a disputed Majority Decision at Madison Square Garden.

In Frazier's 17th bout in July '67 came his most impressive victory date. Smokin' Joe was the first man to stop the Iron Jawed Canadian who had previously gone the distance with Ali. Frazier fractured George Chuvalo's orbit (the bone under George's eye) so badly that Chuvalo needed reconstructive surgery to correct the injury as his eye partially dropped into the fault line fracture.

Heavyweight Champion of the World: In March 1968 Frazier fought for a version of the Heavyweight title. Following Ali being stripped of the title, Joe fought for the Vacant NYSAC World title. His opponent was the man who previously beaten him in the Olympic Trials, Buster Mathis. Frazier started well in the first but in the following rounds Mathis took control of the bout "keeping Joe off balance with accurate sharp jabs, and stinging right hands to the head". 7 through 10 saw Mathis start to tire and was forced to stand and trade with Joe at times. Mathis had previously never gone past Round 7. After rounds of relentless pressure from Frazier he caught Mathis with a huge signature left hand and Mathis was in no state to continue despite getting to his feet.

In his second defence Frazier handed former foe Oscar Bonavena a rematch following their close fight 2 years previously. This time Frazier won a clearer unanimous decision. In his fourth defence Smokin' Joe beat Jerry Quarry in the 1969 Fight of the Year. The bout was non stop action, a real heavyweight slugfest. As the bout wore on, Quarry was cut and he was getting staggered by Frazier's famous left hook. It ended in seven. Quarry had a severe cut and at this point Frazier had taken command in the gruelling bout.

Two years later after stoppage wins over Jimmy Ellis and Bob Foster, Frazier finally met with Muhammad Ali in Maddison Square Garden. The fight was given the promotional nickname "The Fight of the Century". This was the first fight where both the Heavyweight champion and challenger entered the fight unbeaten and both men were guaranteed $2.5m, a record in itself. More about the fight earlier in the thread here.

After further stoppage defences against Terry Daniels and Ron Stander, Frazier met another unbeaten American. This time it was George Foreman in Kingston, Jamaica. In a fight in which they both wore eight-ounce gloves, Frazier was knocked down three times in the first round, and three times in the second round before the Referee waved him off and stopped the bout to protect him from further punishment. The bout was awarded the Fight of the Year for 1973.

Comeback: Frazier returned 6 months later against British heavyweight Joe Bugner at the Earls Court in a non-title fight. Frazier won via decision with Bugner touching down in the 10th round.

In January of 1974 Frazier met Muhammad Ali for the second time. the fight was considered by many fans and experts the most insignificant and boring fight of their rivalry. But this does not mean the fight itself was insignificant or boring; quite the contrary: Ali wanted to avenge his loss to Frazier in their first fight, and a world title try at Heavyweight Champion George Foreman, who had dethroned Frazier, was at stake. Muhammad Ali was awarded a unanimous decision over Joe Frazier. Judge Jack Gordon scored the fight 8-4, judge Tony Castellano scored it 7-4-1, and referee Tony Perez had it 6-5-1. Their first and third fights became part of boxing's lore, but most viewers considered the second fight to be entertaining as well.

After his second defeat, Joe faced previous opponents Jerry Quarry and Jimmy Ellis. Repeating his stoppage victories in the 5th and 9th round respectively.

Then came the finale of the Ali-Frazier trilogy, the Thrilla in Manila. The fight was the 1975 Ring Magazine Fight of the Year and once named The Ring magazine's #1 Fight of All Time. If you haven't watched it, watch it.

Frazier attempted to redeem his first loss to George Foreman in his next bout. However, he was again unsuccessful as he was this time stopped in the 5th round. Joe then entered retirement before a brief comeback five years later in which he drew with Floyd Cummings.

Style: Frazier was a strong, "swarmer" style boxer who applied great pressure on his opponent and dealt out tremendous punishment with a relentless attack of lefts and rights; His left hook was especially stiff and quick when delivered during his bob-and-weave perpetual attack; He fought three minutes per round and never seemed to tire; He could take punishment too and not be bothered.


-3 time Ring Fighter of the Year ('67, '70, '71)
-ESB #10 Heavyweight of All time
-Inductee of both the International Boxing Hall of Fame and the World Boxing Hall of Fame.
- Ring 39th Biggest Puncher of All time.
- Ring #42 from 1922-2002.

Joe Frazier: When The Smoke Clears


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I'd better do Canto now...
you could always just re-read by Wilde post. Why bother with number 2 in a division when you have the GOAT already written?

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Name: Sergio Gabriel Martinez
Nickname: Maravilla
Height: 5' 10 / 178cm
Reach: 75" / 191cm

Boxing Record
Total fights 51
Wins 47
KO's 26
Losses 2(1)
Draws 2

Early life
Sergio Martinez didn't pull on a pair of Boxing gloves until he was age 20, despite having two uncles who had Boxing experience (one a pro). Before then he had targeted careers in both Cycling and Football. He was obviously a natural athlete and had trials with Argentinian first division team 'Los Andes'.
His affair with Boxing started when while training, someone suggested trying Boxing as a means of improving his fitness levels. After that he fell in love, just 1 month later he had his first amateur fight. After 18 months of being an amateur he had 41 fights, going 39-2. He was a 2-time Argentine Champion as well as 'Inter Continental Champion'. In 1997 he participated in the World Amateur Championships alonside Omar Narvaez and Javier Alvarez. It was during his amateur career that a local boxing journalest wrote that the fighter "Is a Maravilla", a Marvel in English.

In late 1997, Sergio made the decision not to wait for the 2000 Olympic games but to turn pro. In his first 17 fights, all in the Buenos Aires area, he won 16 and drew 1. Following this came his first big test. On the undercard of Morales-Barrera I, he fought the more experienced Mexican bull, Antonio Margarito. Margarito's record was not as impressive but he had boxed at a higher level than Martinez. Sergio was overwelmed by the bigger man, and just before the final bell of the 7th round, Joe Cortez stopped the bout.

Following his first defeat his financial backers and the Argentine Boxing officials abandonded him. This was probably the lowest time in his career and to make it worse he was out for 11 months after he suffered a recurrance of a hand injury. He claimed this affected the power of his left hand (more on this later). One doctor suggested he even pursued a different profession. Apparently, to today he still appears to be missing 1 knuckle. He had 8 more fights in Argentina, winning the national Welterweight title.

In search of a fresh start Martinez headed to Madrid, Spain. Unfortunately things didn't start well in Spain. Not long after arriving he had almost all of his belongings stolen by thieves. Importantly, this included all the information he had collected on Argentine boxers and trainers based in the Madrid area. He had just one number remaining. In his shoe, was the phone number of Pablo Sarmiento, brother of his now trainer Gabriel. They had previously met in Argentina where the pair had a misunderstanding and went their seperate ways. He had 4 fights in Spain, all against sub-standard opposition. He was given a second chance at a step up when he received an offer to fight Richard Williams for the IBO light middleweight title at the M.E.N. Williams was a big puncher with World title ambitions. Martinez using his speed, and boxing skills, won a clear decision despite being dropped in the 3rd round. Just 4 months later he was brought back to England to fight former WBC challenger, Adrian Stone. In an entertaining bout he stopped Stone in the 12th round. In the following April of 2004, for some reason, Martinez was brought back to the UK, Belfast this time to rematch Richard Williams. Here he put on his best performance yet, totally outclassing the Englishman and stopping him in the 9th.

Sergio had found titles but had not yet found financial fortune. He was working whenever possible, from being a Bouncer to Modelling work, while still training and fighting. Even at this stage he was a "1000 Euro-a-fight fighter'. In March 2005 Martinez fought Albert Airapetian. Following an 11th round stoppage, in bizarre fashion, Airapetian's brother Alez who had also fought on the card attacked Martinez cutting the back of his head open causing an injury that required 10 stitches.

In 2007 came a clear turning point in his career. His manager made contact with the man credited with bringing Manny Pacquaio to the US, Sampson Lewkwicz. He delivered almost immediately, arranging Martinez's second fight in the US. Sergio would face Saul Roman in a WBC eliminator for their 154lb title. Martinez dominated the bout and in the 4th round he hurt Roman with a body shot. Sensing this he targeted the body again with the left hand. The Mexican went down and never looked like making the count.

Martinez had another minor bout in Spain in October 2007 before another milestone in his career. Lewkowicz targeted US-based promoters including Top Rank. They said, at 32, he was too old. Lou DiBella however couldn't believe that a fighter this talented was so unknown. He signed the Argentine on a four fight deal, with a $30,000 minimum guarantee. He was now a US-based fighter, setting up camp in Oxnard, California. His first 3 opponents were not impressive but in the fourth he faced Alex Bunema of Congo. Bonema had defeated Roman Karmazin just 9 months previous. The bout was for the 'interim' WBC 154lb title and would be Martinez's first appearance on US network HBO. In a sparkling performance, Martinez bamboozled Bunema, punishing him for 8 rounds before the ringside doctor stopped the bout. According to CompuBox numbers Martinez outlanded Bunema 212 to 31.

In his next fight he faced former IBF Welterweight champion in a defence of his WBC title. The bout itself was bizarre. Following a left hand by Martinez to the head of Cintron he fell to the canvas. The referee counted to 10 and the fight appeared to have finished, until minutes later the referee decided to restart the fight. In the 12th round, crucially, Martinez had a point removed for hitting Cintron behind the head. Even still it appeared that Martinez had done enough to take the decision but despite knocking Cintron out, and seemingly winning on points, the judges ruled the fight to be a draw.

Martinez was out for 10 months following the Cintron robbery until he received an offer to fight Paul Williams in a non-title fight. Williams was due to fight Kelly Pavlik but at 3-weeks notice Pavlik pulled out of the fight. Martinez went up to the middleweight limit for the first time. The fight started at a fantastic pace with both fighters scoring knockdowns in just the 1st round. In a fight of the year contender there was great back and forth action. The bout was much closer than the Cintron fight but it appeared that Martinez had done just enough to take the decision. Again, the judges did not favour Martinez. He dropped a majority decision to Williams with one judge, almost unbelievably scoring it to the American by 9 points.

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Despite the disappointment of not getting the decision against Williams, Martinez put it behind him and returned to Boardwalk Hall to face the WBO and WBC champion Kelly Pavlik. Sergio started strongly clearly taking the early rounds. In characteristic fashion, Martinez appeared to slow in the middle rounds and was knocked down in the 7th. From there Martinez turned up the heat and cut Pavlik around both eyes. With the increased aggression Martinez clearly took the late rounds and with it, the titles by unanimous decision.

Pavlik chose not to exercise his rematch clause so Martinez instead signed to fight a rematch of his previous defeat to Paul Williams at a catchweight of 158lbs. Martinez again entered the fight as the betting underdog. The first round started as their first fight had finished at a franetic pace. In the second round a huge left hand landed directly on the chin of Williams. The American hit the deck face first and was out for the count. It was very same left hand which Martinez injured years previously and was told he should consider retirement as a result. Great credit must go to Martinez's trainer, Gabriel Sarmiento. After watching their first bout just days before the rematch Sarmiento couldn't sleep after a flaw he noticed in Williams. Martinez recalls the conversation: "Scrap everything we've been working on the last two months for a whole new plan of attack, two days before the fight!" Just a few inches to the left and a step backward was all Sarmiento was asking for. Martinez took fighter of the year and Sarmiento trainer of the year.

When Martinez chose to rematch Williams, he was stripped of his WBO title and then following that win he chose to fight Serhiy Dzinziruk. In doing this he was forced to vacate the WBC title as he refused to fight their mandatory challenger Sebastien Zbik. Dzinziruk was an undefeated 154lb titleist known best for his strong jab. Just days before the fight though, Gabriel Sarmiento was arrested and extradited back to Spain for aggravated battery. Instead, Pablo Sarmiento worked the corner. This late drama did not seem to affect Martinez as he stunned the Ukrainian by coming out and outjabbing the jabber. Dzinziruk was dropped in rounds 4 and 5 and then three times in the 8th before the contest was stopped.

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Ezzard 'The Cincinnati Cobra' Charles 93 wins (52 KO) - 25 losses (7 KO) - 1 Draw

Date of Birth 7/7/1921
Date of Death 27/5/1975
Stance - Orthodox
Height - 6ft

Divisions - Middleweight - Heavyweight

"Ezzard Charles. Yeah, I've heard of him. Wasn't he that guy who took Rocky Marciano 15 rounds?" You have to wonder how Charles would have been remembered if he stayed down in the 8th round of the pair's first meeting in 1954. Charles, however, was unfazed by the power of The Rock, and rose at the count of '2' in a fight that saw him push the undefeated Heavyweight Champion to the wire in a classic battle of attrition. Instead of adding to his already great legacy, the first fight with Rocky Marciano would somewhat eclipse all that had gone before. Ezzard Mack Charles, however, was so much greater than 'That Guy'. Born on a smoking hot July afternoon in the Southern state of Georgia, Charles was already known as a fighter when he graduated from Woodward High School in Cincinnati. He entered the amateur ranks as a Featherweight, where he amassed an unconfirmed record of 42 wins with no defeats. By 1939, Ezzard had won the AAU Middleweight Championship, as well as the Chicago Golden Gloves tournament.

Charles then turned his attention to the paid ranks, assembling a 15 fight winning streak before losing to the great Ken Overlin, a veteran of almost 150 fights. Defeat, however, did not dishearten the Cincinnati Cobra, as he went on to unanimously beat the 106-16-3, and future Hall of Famer, Teddy Yarosz, before battling to a 10 round draw against his only conqueror just four months later. Charles, still a Middleweight, would then take part in his career defining fight to date, a pair of back to back fights with the master, and much avoided, Charley Burley. Ezzard, however, outfought Burnley in their fight encounter, shouting him out in the first five, before dropping his opponent in the tenth and final round. The rematch a month later was more of the same as Charles this time outboxed Burnley again over 10 rounds. Charles followed his career best performances by twice outpointing Joey Maxim before being defeated by the very good Jimmy Bivins.

After a brief stint in the army during the final year of the Second World War, Charles returned to the ring as a Light Heavyweight and embarked on a terrific trilogy of fights with possibly the greatest Light Heavyweight Champion in history, the legendary Archie Moore. Their first meeting, in May 1946, however, was not even close, as Charles repeated jabbed his opponent at will, while also dropping Moore for the count of '9' in the 8th round with a superb counter uppercut to the body. Moore climbed off the canvas only to be repeatedly out-boxed and beaten to the punch, losing a ten round non-title fight decision. The pair's second battle a year later proved much closer, with Moore fairing much better having seemingly worked out his man, despite being dropped by yet another Charles body shot in the 7th. While Moore was awarded a draw from one of the judges, the other two scored the fight to Charles. Their third and final encounter in January 1948 was again a close affair until Archie (then 88-13-7) tagged Charles with a pin point left hook which badly wobbled the man from Cincinnati. Looking to finish his man, Moore rushed in only to be caught from nowhere by a left hook-right cross combination from Charles which knocked Moore clean out. While Archie Moore may have been the greatest Light Heavyweight champion ever to grace the sport of boxing, Charles was certainly the greatest fighter in the division's long history. A tribute to Archie Moore can be seen here:

Intertwined with the Moore trilogy, Charles embarked on another three fight rivalry, this time battling the impressive Lloyd Marshall between 1943-1947. Marshall, however, had greater success than Moore did; knocking the Cobra out in the pair's first meeting. While it was said that Charles sustained a hip injury going into their first fight, his bravery proved not enough, as Charles was knocked down seven times in eight painful rounds before the referee stopped the contest. Their second fight in 1946 started just as badly for Charles, with Marshall dropping him for the count of '9' in the very first round. Charles, however, regained his composure and boxed brilliantly for the remainder of the fight before stopping Marshall with a textbox left hook to the body.

The rubber match lasted just two rounds, with Charles dropping Marshall three times on route to a KO victory. During this period, Charles also avenged his loss to Jimmy Bivins by beating him twice, as well as knocking out Fritzie Fitzpatrick twice, only to be robbed by the judges against the dangerous banger Elmer Ray, which he would later avenge by 9th round knockout.

Ezzard Charles' illustrious career almost ended just a month after his stunning knockout of Moore. In February 1948, Charles knocked out a 21 year old contender named Sam Baroudi in the 10th round and final round. Tragically, Baroudi suffered a brain haemorrhage after the knockout, and later died in hospital. Seeming contemplating retirement, Charles was urged to carry on by Baroudi's grieving family. It was time for Charles to tackle the Heavyweights.

After again beating Joey Maxim, this time via a 15 round majority decision, Charles embarked on a four fight rivalry with the great Jersey Joe Walcott, winning the vacant World Heavyweight Title after a comfortable 15 round decision in June 1949.

Between this and his 1951 rematch with Walcott (which he again won by decision), Charles fought the returning Joe Louis, beating the Brown Bomber to a very wide unanimous decision (by 9 rounds on one scorecard and 11 on another).

Charles would then lose his Heavyweight Title after being brutally stopped by Jersey Joe Walcott at the third time of asking. This was followed up by another defeat to Walcott, this time via unanimous decision.

By this time, Ezzard Charles was showing signs of deterioration. His obsession, however, was to reclaim the Heavyweight title, now held by Rocky Marciano who had twice defeated Jersey Joe Walcott. By securing a unanimous decision Rex Layne, and having knocked out Coley Wallace, Bernie Reynolds and Bob Satterfield, he secured his shot at The Rock. The Satterfield and Reynolds' KOs can be seen here:

On the 17th June 1954, Charles, now 83-10-1, would become 'That Guy' by taking the imposing Marciano the full 15 rounds, losing a close but clear decision. A rematch was scheduled for three months later, and Rocky looked to be well on his way to victory after knocking the Cincinnati Cobra down in the second. Drama ensued in the third round, however, as a right cross from Charles opened a horrific cut over the nose of The Rock and the fight looked like it might be stopped. With greater urgency, Marciano stepped on the gas and knocked Charles out in the 8th round of 1954's Fight of the Year.

Charles would never regain the heights he once held; losing 13 of his next 23 fights, before calling time on what would be legendary career in late 1959, almost 30 years after his professional debut. While Charles will always been known as 'That Guy' who took Rocky the distance, he was so much more than that. A prime Ezzard Charles could outbox master technicians, and out-bang sluggers from Middleweight to Heavyweight. Having beaten the likes of Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, Joe Louis, Jimmy Bivins, Joey Maxim, Joe Baksi, Elmer Ray and the great Charley Burley, Ezzard has cemented himself into the Top Ten ATG lists of most boxing experts and scholars. Regarded by many as the greatest Light Heavyweight that ever lived, Ezzard Charles was more than just 'That Guy'.

Ezzard Charles died on the 28th May 1975 as a result of Lou Gehrig's disease. He was aged just 53.

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This next post is gonna be a bit different, the first part is like an introduction to the fighter and talks about his career in general and the second will be all about his fights including videos.

I hate doing it in 2 parts, but there's no other way to do it. Should be up in an hour or so.
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