[Yiddle]

I am a big hagler fan and think hagler won the fight by a couple of rounds . This is Not a moan about leonard winning so much as a question.

In a close fight did hagler have any chance of getting a decision in vegas

My point is hagler had all but confirmed this was his last fight , Leonard was a hero to the media and was always shown in a good light to the general public and if he won the casino's had more big pay days to look forward to .

 

[scribbs]

Leonard won fair & square. I cannot for the life of me how anyone seen it for Hagler. I had it 8-4 and was amazed when all the debates started. Everybody has their way of scoring but sometimes you watch a fight that's so clear cut there's only one conclusion. Personally I think the people who scored for Hagler are his fans. I was not a Leonard or Hagler devotee, I preferred Hearns so was not really bothered either way but would have liked Marvin to win then retire, alas it didn't happen that way.

Since I have watched fights from being a youngster there's only a handful of times when I maybe favoured the scoring for the fighter I like more but it's only cheating yourself. All fights should be scored objectively & if you had Marvin ahead then that's fair enough but the conspiracy theories really need to be laid to rest once & for all.

 

[GazOC]

Not sure about the "last fight" theory. Leonard promptly retired after the fight, as he said he would, and Hagler was all set for the Hearns rematch before the Leonard fight was signed and I think theres every chance he'd have taken that next if he'd beaten Leonard.

 

[bask]

Think Hagler let it get to him too much (he waited and waited... and waited for this fight) it was like he changed almost everything that made him great for the fight.

Granted he was over the hump, but it was like he turned off "war" and wanted to demonstrate to the general masses his superior boxing ability over Leonard.

Fighting orthodox for 3 rounds? I'm sure even the Petronellis must of been telling him to cut it out.

 

[Yiddle]

Not sure about the "last fight" theory. Leonard promptly retired after the fight, as he said he would, and Hagler was all set for the Hearns rematch before the Leonard fight was signed and I think theres every chance he'd have taken that next if he'd beaten Leonard.

Hagler I am pretty sure or someone from his camp said something like this is the fight marvin has been hanging around for

 

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Hagler I am pretty sure or someone from his camp said something like this is the fight marvin has been hanging around for

Leonard liked to tease Hagler over a possible match-up, If I remember right, he even invited Hagler to his original retirement press conference. Leonard had hinted to Hagler it was to announce his intention to fight him... it wasn't.

 

[Yiddle]

Think Hagler let it get to him too much (he waited and waited... and waited for this fight) it was like he changed almost everything that made him great for the fight.

Granted he was over the hump, but it was like he turned off "war" and wanted to demonstrate to the general masses his superior boxing ability over Leonard.

Fighting orthodox for 3 rounds? I'm sure even the Petronellis must of been telling him to cut it out.

Yeah I think hagler should of started much quicker

 

[Yiddle]

Leonard liked to tease Hagler over a possible match-up, If I remember right, he even invited Hagler to his original retirement press conference. Leonard had hinted to Hagler it was to announce his intention to fight him... it wasn't.

Yeah your right there but that just sums Leonard up for me

 

[Yiddle]

Leonard won fair & square. I cannot for the life of me how anyone seen it for Hagler. I had it 8-4 and was amazed when all the debates started. Everybody has their way of scoring but sometimes you watch a fight that's so clear cut there's only one conclusion. Personally I think the people who scored for Hagler are his fans. I was not a Leonard or Hagler devotee, I preferred Hearns so was not really bothered either way but would have liked Marvin to win then retire, alas it didn't happen that way.

Since I have watched fights from being a youngster there's only a handful of times when I maybe favoured the scoring for the fighter I like more but it's only cheating yourself. All fights should be scored objectively & if you had Marvin ahead then that's fair enough but the conspiracy theories really need to be laid to rest once & for all.

I have been watching fights since I was a child also I have had many boxers that I have favoured but when scoring a fight I am pretty sure I can score fairly. I still think it was a very close fight not a terrible robbery but I felt hagler had just done enough

 

[bask]

Yeah your right there but that just sums Leonard up for me

Hagler and Leonard, polar opposites in regards to just about everything. Could be part of reason this fight remains such a hot topic.

Hagler fans don't want accept a guy like Leonard beating a guy like Hagler.

 

[Yiddle]

Hagler and Leonard, polar opposites in regards to just about everything. Could be part of reason this fight remains such a hot topic.

Hagler fans don't want accept a guy like Leonard beating a guy like Hagler.

Nicking a decision and beating are two completley different things

On my iPhone so can't put on any smileys

 

[Chatty]

I don't think its inconceivable that you can score the fight in Hagler's favour. He done a lot of good work in that fight, chasing Leonard down, landing some good punches during the first couple of minutes in each round, was busier and had Leonard hurt a couple of times. I think the reason why Leonard gets more plaudits for this fight is because the rounds Leonard won were a lot wider than the ones Hagler won. I can't remember properly but I had Leonard winning around 4 rounds that in no way I could swing, Hagler only winning 1-2 rounds that would be hard to swing and then the rest being close rounds.

I always find it a very hard fight to score because Leonard does the classier work but he doesn't do very much the whole fight, instead hoping he can nick a few flurries that catch the judges eyes and I'm not going with the whole he only worked for 30 seconds thing because he did more work than that but hagler was most definitely the aggressor for most of the fight.

I think if you like Haglers work you can just about nick it for him but if you like Leonards work you can give it to him by a 4-5 rounds.

 

[Yiddle]

I don't think its inconceivable that you can score the fight in Hagler's favour. He done a lot of good work in that fight, chasing Leonard down, landing some good punches during the first couple of minutes in each round, was busier and had Leonard hurt a couple of times. I think the reason why Leonard gets more plaudits for this fight is because the rounds Leonard won were a lot wider than the ones Hagler won. I can't remember properly but I had Leonard winning around 4 rounds that in no way I could swing, Hagler only winning 1-2 rounds that would be hard to swing and then the rest being close rounds.

I always find it a very hard fight to score because Leonard does the classier work but he doesn't do very much the whole fight, instead hoping he can nick a few flurries that catch the judges eyes and I'm not going with the whole he only worked for 30 seconds thing because he did more work than that but hagler was most definitely the aggressor for most of the fight.

I think if you like Haglers work you can just about nick it for him but if you like Leonards work you can give it to him by a 4-5 rounds.

Good post

 

[GazOC]

Hagler I am pretty sure or someone from his camp said something like this is the fight marvin has been hanging around for

They said that but Hagler-Hearns II was all but signed when Leonard threw his hat into the ring.

 

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Time to go to the scorecards??

 

[GazOC]

Bottom line for me in that fight was that Hagler threw away the first 4 rounds without exacting much out of Leonard. He was always going to lose the first few but he should have made Ray pay for those rounds and as a result caught up with him later on in the fight. 4 rounds start in a 12 rounder is a big defficit to pull back.

 

[Yiddle]

They said that but Hagler-Hearns II was all but signed when Leonard threw his hat into the ring.

If the Leonard fight had not happened or hagler had managed to sneak past Leonard how do you think a hearns rematch would of gone as hagler had lost some portion of his skills

 

[GazOC]

I think Hearns would have fought smarter than he did in the first fight but I still reckon Marvin would have caught up with him at some point and stopped him. How about you?

 

[scribbs]

I have been watching fights since I was a child also I have had many boxers that I have favoured but when scoring a fight I am pretty sure I can score fairly. I still think it was a very close fight not a terrible robbery but I felt hagler had just done enough

Not implying you cannot score a fight, just saying that sometimes people see the work a fighter they like is more impressive than it actually is. Scoring becomes an art & boxing fans quickly learn how to score a fight. Not all like the same style & sometimes people get caught up in the emotion (mainly casual fans or pissed up people) which can distort how the fight is going. Like I stated I have no problem with how people score a fight but sometimes the controversy that comes after a fight is baloney. This is one of the fights that I cannot see what the fuss is about. The recent Cunningham - Adamek fight reminds me of the superfight in 87, a guy does the better work but aggression seems to pay off. It didn't for Hagler & rightly so (imo) but Adamek got a gift.

 

[Yiddle]

I think hagler would of won but he would of had a longer night coming from behind to score a stoppage victory I to think hearns would fought a different fight