The corners in the last few rounds spoke volumes. The Petronellis knew they were down on the cards when they sent Hagler out for the 11th and 12th rounds.
The hagler/leonard decision
I am a big hagler fan and think hagler won the fight by a couple of rounds . This is Not a moan about leonard winning so much as a question.
In a close fight did hagler have any chance of getting a decision in vegas
My point is hagler had all but confirmed this was his last fight , Leonard was a hero to the media and was always shown in a good light to the general public and if he won the casino's had more big pay days to look forward to .
In a close fight did hagler have any chance of getting a decision in vegas
My point is hagler had all but confirmed this was his last fight , Leonard was a hero to the media and was always shown in a good light to the general public and if he won the casino's had more big pay days to look forward to .
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Same here. Late rounds stoppage when Hearns legs started to slow down. Kinchen gave Hearns life and death right after the Hagler fight so I'm damn sure Marvin could have gone one better.I think hagler would of won but he would of had a longer night coming from behind to score a stoppage victory I to think hearns would fought a different fight
I can't remember my scorecard but I'm pretty sure I had Leonard winning it.
The DVD is gathering dust at my mums, deep in a cupboard somewhere, it's not one I'll ever watch again.
Leonard was Hagler's only weakness, more in terms of his character than his ring ability, and if he'd thought more closely he'd have fucked off into retirement with nothing to prove - clearly I'm too young to really remember, being in nappies at the time, in terms of the thoughts of the public regarding the two.
I can kinda empathise with Hagler's taking the fight, there's one person in particular who I will get revenge on before they stick me in a box, if it's the last/only thing I ever do, Marvin never forgave Ray for stringing him along in 1982.
As for Hagler/Hearns II, I think that Tommy was a better fighter than Marvin but stylistically it was a nightmare for him, similarly to the way that Leonard was. 99.9% of opponents couldn't take his shots, and most of those who could were too damaged to do anything to him. Those two weren't, and did him.
The DVD is gathering dust at my mums, deep in a cupboard somewhere, it's not one I'll ever watch again.
Leonard was Hagler's only weakness, more in terms of his character than his ring ability, and if he'd thought more closely he'd have fucked off into retirement with nothing to prove - clearly I'm too young to really remember, being in nappies at the time, in terms of the thoughts of the public regarding the two.
I can kinda empathise with Hagler's taking the fight, there's one person in particular who I will get revenge on before they stick me in a box, if it's the last/only thing I ever do, Marvin never forgave Ray for stringing him along in 1982.
As for Hagler/Hearns II, I think that Tommy was a better fighter than Marvin but stylistically it was a nightmare for him, similarly to the way that Leonard was. 99.9% of opponents couldn't take his shots, and most of those who could were too damaged to do anything to him. Those two weren't, and did him.
BB, its a bit of a myth that Hagler was all set to ride off into the sunset when the evil Leonard tempted him back into the ring. That summer Leonard said he wanted the fight Hagler-Hearns II was a dead cert to be signed for the Autumn/ Winter with Curry tentatively to follow in the summer. Massive, winnable fights for Hagler.
I have always thought that even at that stage of his career hagler would of eaten curry for dinnerBB, its a bit of a myth that Hagler was all set to ride off into the sunset when the evil Leonard tempted him back into the ring. That summer Leonard said he wanted the fight Hagler-Hearns II was a dead cert to be signed for the Autumn/ Winter with Curry tentatively to follow in the summer. Massive, winnable fights for Hagler.
Don't get me wrong, as much as I dislike Leonard, I don't see him as a Haye type figure.
I actually rate the bloke for starters :lol:
I'm just going on Hagler's comments in the post fight interview after the Mugabi war, and the ''I'm gonna sit back and lick my chops'' comments.
Of course it's hindsight to say that Hagler was past it, I'm not convinced he was, despite having faded from his absolute best form. He was no worse than what Pacquiao is today, by my reckoning.
I actually rate the bloke for starters :lol:
I'm just going on Hagler's comments in the post fight interview after the Mugabi war, and the ''I'm gonna sit back and lick my chops'' comments.
Of course it's hindsight to say that Hagler was past it, I'm not convinced he was, despite having faded from his absolute best form. He was no worse than what Pacquiao is today, by my reckoning.
It was seen as a great fight though at the time though, eh? Looking back its got "mismatch" written all over it even though Hagler was on the slide.I have always thought that even at that stage of his career hagler would of eaten curry for dinner
The "lick my chops" comment was made after Leonard said he wanted the fight, ie. it was Haglers turn to mess Leonard about like Leonard had messed him about in 1982. But before that announcement of Leonards they were going to make Hagler-Hearns II for that Autumn.Don't get me wrong, as much as I dislike Leonard, I don't see him as a Haye type figure.
I actually rate the bloke for starters :lol:
I'm just going on Hagler's comments in the post fight interview after the Mugabi war, and the ''I'm gonna sit back and lick my chops'' comments.
Of course it's hindsight to say that Hagler was past it, I'm not convinced he was, despite having faded from his absolute best form. He was no worse than what Pacquiao is today, by my reckoning.
Yeah curry's stock fell really fast didn't itIt was seen as a great fight though at the time though, eh? Looking back its got "mismatch" written all over it even though Hagler was on the slide.
Gonna watch it now. Don't think I've ever actually scored it.
Didn't it just? The bloke was a killer for 2-3 years and then boom! Never the same after Honeyghan and then McCallum.Yeah curry's stock fell really fast didn't it
I've scored it loads of times and usually end up 115-113 Leonard. Can't give Hagler the win no matter how I score it.Gonna watch it now. Don't think I've ever actually scored it.
The McCallum ko was devastatingDidn't it just? The bloke was a killer for 2-3 years and then boom! Never the same after Honeyghan and then McCallum.
Curry seemed to be winning the fight at the time as well. McCallum was never seen as a big puncher either. I guess Don just didn't carry the weight up that well?The McCallum ko was devastating
Loved Donald Curry but I think he was slightly over rated. He was put down by Jun Suk Hwang when fighting for the Vacant WBA title so the omens were there early doors. I think he had the mentality that he was unbeatable with all the hype but that was shattered by Honeyghan & then McCallum.
Hagler would have beat Hearns in a rematch!
Hagler would have beat Hearns in a rematch!
It's a good job with hindsight that a hearns/curry fight was never madeCurry seemed to be winning the fight at the time as well. McCallum was never seen as a big puncher either. I guess Don just didn't carry the weight up that well?
Totally agree. He just seemed to lose something once he'd lost for the first time. Def. overrated looking back but I remember watching him at the time and just thinking "Fuck me, this guy is amazing!". He struggled a bit against Hwang and Starling (who didn't struggle against Starling though?) but seemed to be just getting better and better until the wheels fell off against Honeyghan.
:lol: The funny thing is if that fight had of been made right after Hagler-Hearns then Curry could well have started favourite after the McCrory demolition.It's a good job with hindsight that a hearns/curry fight was never made
Very true:lol: The funny thing is if that fight had of been made right after Hagler-Hearns then Curry could well have started favourite after the McCrory demolition.
I always feel the characterisation of Leonard (as @GazOC satirises so nicely above) taking advantage of Hagler to be completely inconsistent wit who he actually is. Sure he wanted the best deal, but he was doing Hagler a big favour with his career biggest purse. Why should Ray take the blame for Marvin fighting four rounds like a complete tool?
The guy was a long-reigning dominant MW, facing an old, small WW who'd be on the coke and the booze for years. He allowed him to take control of the pace of the fight and open up with long flurries. Following your opponent around saying "you didn't hurt me" doesn't score points. Marvin fell in love with the idea of punishing Ray (which he did, quite badly at points, particularly to the body), and forgot he was trying to outscore him too.
Anyway, I'm like Gaz where I can't see a Hagler win outright, although I do count harder punching in my scoring - and Marvin was undoubtedly the one doing the hurting. But Ray would just bamboozle him and pop him with nice combos so much that it's hard to see past him winning.
The guy was a long-reigning dominant MW, facing an old, small WW who'd be on the coke and the booze for years. He allowed him to take control of the pace of the fight and open up with long flurries. Following your opponent around saying "you didn't hurt me" doesn't score points. Marvin fell in love with the idea of punishing Ray (which he did, quite badly at points, particularly to the body), and forgot he was trying to outscore him too.
Anyway, I'm like Gaz where I can't see a Hagler win outright, although I do count harder punching in my scoring - and Marvin was undoubtedly the one doing the hurting. But Ray would just bamboozle him and pop him with nice combos so much that it's hard to see past him winning.
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