What's so great about Joe Louis? I'm serious..............Lennox/Wlad would have murdered this guy.

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FelixTrinidad

Discussion Starter · Nov 26, 2013 (Edited)

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What's so great about Joe Louis? I'm serious.. Lennox/Wlad would have murdered this guy. I finally watched his fights.. I'm extremely perplexed by what people see in him?
What's so great about this guy?

I'm watching his fights and the first thing I noticed is the guy is not 6'2.. that's absurd..
He's like 6 feet tops and weights around 205 pounds. He fought an array of guys who's actually smaller than he was and I even saw a few guys at 5'8 and 180ish... it seem like Louis gets dropped by so many different kinds of punches. I have already seen him floored multiple times and I haven't even finish his career set.

He leaves himself wide open to the right hands, his chin is right there for upper cuts and he seem to lack a lot of the foot work and ring generalship which he is so praised for.

Watch Lewis vs Ruddock, Lewis vs Golota, Lewis vs Grant, Lewis vs Tua, Lewis vs Holyfield I, and Lewis vs Briggs.

I mean I'm serious.. it's like Lewis is 10x the fighter Joe Louis was on film...

I just don't get it. I really don't.

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tliang1000

· #2 · Nov 26, 2013

BC he is a classic dude, they get automatic victories.

fists of fury

· #3 · Nov 26, 2013

I'll chime in later. He is definitely special.

I'd like @McGrain to have a look at this as well. He did a really good technical analysis of Louis which I'm in total agreement with.

MadcapMaxie

· #4 · Nov 26, 2013

You know he beat every guy who was bigger than him right? Lou Nova, Max Baer, Buddy Baer x2, Primo Carnera, Abe Simon etcetc.

I used to buy into Louis not being anything really special but he was, without a doubt, the greatest all round puncher of all time. Power, speed, timing, accuracy and a GREAT combination puncher, he had the precision and demeanor of a machine with a killer instinct. Greatest finisher of all time and one of the greatest jabs of all time. Add to this the greatest longevity and most defenses of any Champion, despite being robbed of a number of years because of WWII, and you have enough reason to consider him special. I'm not entirely convinced against putting him against some of the great BIG heavyweights of today but the dude could take out anybody. Seriously he was the first and last guy to KO Uzcudun and Braddock, the first to stop the Baer brothers, the first and last to drop Tony Galento etc. Braddock said about him when he hit him with the right hand that he could've stayed on the canvas for two weeks, Max Baer said the definition of fear was seeing Louis in the opposite corner. Someone will break him down because I'm not the greatest Louis fan but the dude was Great.

Btw, Wlad would be KTFO by Louis..badly...

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Theron

· #5 · Nov 26, 2013

Wow dude, stick to doing round by rounds they're almost as funny as this

MadcapMaxie

· #6 · Nov 26, 2013

Behold the beauty of Joe Louis...

Theron

· #7 · Nov 26, 2013

fists of fury

· #8 · Nov 26, 2013

Theron said:
Wow dude, stick to doing round by rounds they're almost as funny as this

No need to be hostile man. I like Felix's posts because he does generally give us something to think about.

sugarshane_24

· #9 · Nov 26, 2013

Well for starters mate, you have to really give them old-timers the benefit of the doubt as they fought in an era where no modern athletic heavyweights exist.

Then look at their body of work from there.

MadcapMaxie

· #10 · Nov 26, 2013

sugarshane_24 said:
Well for starters mate, you have to really give them old-timers the benefit of the doubt as they fought in an era where no modern athletic heavyweights exist.

Then look at their body of work from there.

Yah and Monzon loses to Martinez cos he ain't got no 6 pac mang

MadcapMaxie

· #11 · Nov 26, 2013

Also wtf does Athletic mean? Joe Louis went for 10 mile runs then rowed straight after for several miles on the lake he ran next to. Could any current Heavyweight do half of that without getting a heart attack? Does that not need tremendous strength and stamina which would be included under athletic or does athletic mean big muscles?

fists of fury

· #12 · Nov 26, 2013

MadcapMaxie said:
Behold the beauty of Joe Louis...

This fight highlights one of the things that made Louis genuinely great. Walcott as we all know gave Louis a ton of problems in their first fight. Most feel he won the first fight. In fact, Walcott was once booted out of Louis' camp as a sparring partner because he was making Joe look bad.

So Walcott was a legitimate threat to Louis. But Louis being the man he was, didn't want to end his career with a bad performance, and the first fight niggled at him. He wanted to prove he was the better man. He could just as easily rode off into the sunset and avoided the rematch because he as getting on and there was basically nothing left for him to prove; he had done it all. But he took the rematch and not only beat Walcott, but ended the fight with one of the best combinations I've ever seen.
That's why I've always said that Louis was a champion's champion, because he acted like a true champ at all times. He never avoided a dangerous challenge, or waited for a guy to get old before rematching him. If you deserved a shot, you got it. Period.

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Stiffjab

· #13 · Nov 26, 2013

He was a pioneer and is deserving of his ATG status

Theron

· #14 · Nov 26, 2013

fists of fury said:
No need to be hostile man. I like Felix's posts because he does generally give us something to think about.

I'm just saying cause he obviously hasn't watched enough of Louis yet if he hasn't seen anything special. maybe just schmelling 1 and a few others.
If you watch Louis vs Galento, Buddy Baer 2, Max Baer etc and dont see anything special still then i mean i dont know what to say really.

DrMo

· #15 · Nov 26, 2013

dyna

· #16 · Nov 26, 2013

His record against top 10 opposition is tremendous.

Though he did publicly duck Bettina.

dyna

· #17 · Nov 26, 2013

fists of fury said:
This fight highlights one of the things that made Louis genuinely great. Walcott as we all know gave Louis a ton of problems in their first fight. Most feel he won the first fight. In fact, Walcott was once booted out of Louis' camp as a sparring partner because he was making Joe look bad.

So Walcott was a legitimate threat to Louis. But Louis being the man he was, didn't want to end his career with a bad performance, and the first fight niggled at him. He wanted to prove he was the better man. He could just as easily rode off into the sunset and avoided the rematch because he as getting on and there was basically nothing left for him to prove; he had done it all. But he took the rematch and not only beat Walcott, but ended the fight with one of the best combinations I've ever seen.
That's why I've always said that Louis was a champion's champion, because he acted like a true champ at all times. He never avoided a dangerous challenge, or waited for a guy to get old before rematching him. If you deserved a shot, you got it. Period.

Not true
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:hey

elterrible

· #18 · Nov 26, 2013

Louis would be a cruiser today or even a light heavy.

Hes good but he would be flattened by Lennox and Wlad. And dont bring up stupid Carnera, that guy sucks, that guy is NOT Lennox or wlad.

Masters

· #19 · Nov 26, 2013

He may of went down a few times , but he got up to win. Lewis never did.

DonBoxer

· #20 · Nov 26, 2013

I see no evidence that suggests to me that he would make it past the first few rounds with Lewis.

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