[Lunny]

How much does Donaire drop and how much does Rigo gain?

I think Rigo just makes top ten but then it would be weird to drop Donaire out of it based on one loss. It would also be weird to have Donaire above Rigo right now. What say you CHB?

Donaire still above Rigo based on past wins? Rigo top 10, top 5? Donaire out?

 

[Lilo]

I can't see a justification in having Donaire above Rigondeaux based on that dominant win. Its a really, really tough one now. Here's my first draft which I have no confidence in:

Floyd
Martinez
Marquez
Ward
Rigondeaux
Donaire
Pacquaio
Wlad
Bradley
Gamboa

Looking forward to @King Horse 's updated thread

 

[Nyanners :sad5]

I don't feel Donaire should be in the p4p top 10 now. He has good wins, but he's never beat an elite name of the division. Montiel and Darchinyan haven't impressed following their losses to him, Nishioka was probably a little past his best (still a great win though), and Arce is essentially a gun slinger.

So yeah, Rigo in, Donaire out. Would've been a win that would put him in the top 5 p4p for me, but it was not to be. Yeah he had a great 2012, but only because he was so active. His competition wasn't stiff to say the least, and he is truly elite, but losing to Rigo knocks him out of the list imo. Not much of a fan of putting someone who lost their last fight in the p4p top 10. Someone like Manny Pacquiao or Marquez stay in there because their resume, even recently, is so great. Donaire doesn't have that, imo.

I think Rigo was the best boxer he's faced so far, and for whatever reason, he was outboxed. A rematch would be fine, but its his own fault for not studying Rigo on tape much. That's just suicide and I don't know why someone who's at the upper echelon of their division wouldn't watch tape on their opponent. It's arrogant and it's dumb.

 

[JamieC]

Rigo top 5 and Donaire top 10 imo, Rigo clearly proved himself an elite fighter tonight. Weirdly a Donaire win would have moved him to number 1 for me, but also pushed floyd behind Ward as well, as a sort of ushering in of the new guard, this makes me hesitant to do that :think

Floyd
Marquez
Ward
Martinez
Rigondeaux
Wlad
Pacquiao
Donaire
Froch
Mares

 

[Lunny]

I didn't see the fight. So it was a dominant display? Did Donaire just look awful? Also looking forward to @King Horses judgement.

 

[JamieC]

I didn't see the fight. So it was a dominant display? Did Donaire just look awful? Also looking forward to @King Horses judgement.

he couldnt get into the fight, at all, apart from the KD but then Rigo wasnt flustered bounced straight back up and continued to dominate. Not much action, but Donaire was chasing shadows and being popped with straight lefts all night, great balance and footwork from Rigo, dont see how anyone could have it close really, and i love Nonito so was willing him to make a fight of it

 

[Lunny]

he couldnt get into the fight, at all, apart from the KD but then Rigo wasnt flustered bounced straight back up and continued to dominate. Not much action, but Donaire was chasing shadows and being popped with straight lefts all night, great balance and footwork from Rigo, dont see how anyone could have it close really, and i love Nonito so was willing him to make a fight of it

Sounds quality from Rigo. Really living up to the potential that I was doubting.

 

[Post Box]

Mayweather
Marquez
Ward
Martinez
Rigondeaux
Donaire
Pacquaio
Wlad
Froch
Mares

 

[Post Box]

Rigo top 5 and Donaire top 10 imo, Rigo clearly proved himself an elite fighter tonight. Weirdly a Donaire win would have moved him to number 1 for me, but also pushed floyd behind Ward as well, as a sort of ushering in of the new guard, this makes me hesitant to do that :think

Floyd
Marquez
Ward
Martinez
Rigondeaux
Wlad
Pacquiao
Donaire
Froch
Mares

:lol: Fucks sake.

Good list

 

[BUMPY]

Martinez should not rank higher than Rigondeaux, who did he beat? Williams Pavlik Chavez? Fuck that they absolutely suck.

 

[Post Box]

Martinez just has too much depth at this point for me

 

[Vano-irons]

I'd have them neck and neck. Rigondeaux has the best win of the two, but Donaire's resume is still far stronger. Yesterday I had Donaire number 2, today I'd probably have it:

Mayweather
Ward
JMM
Martinez
Rigondeaux
Donaire
Pacquiao
Wlad
Mares
Roman Gonzalez

 

[JFT96]

I can't see a justification in having Donaire above Rigondeaux based on that dominant win. Its a really, really tough one now. Here's my first draft which I have no confidence in:

Floyd
Martinez
Marquez
Ward
Rigondeaux
Donaire
Pacquaio
Wlad
Bradley
Gamboa

Looking forward to @King Horse 's updated thread

Irrelevant to the OP's question, which by the way I agree that you have to have Rigondeaux ahead of Donaire now considering it was such a dominant win, but I can't see how Martinez can be ranked at no.2 on any list. No way is he ahead of Marquez for me and I would say that Ward's record is the more impressive of the two as well.

Also, Gamboa hasn't done enough to merit being top 10 IMO. He has a very good win against Salido, a solid one against Ponce de Leon but nothing out of the ordinary behind that. If you compare with other people around the top 10, his record falls short with someone like Mares who has Moreno, Agbeko X2, Darchinyan and Perez (which he deserved the W for) consecutively.

 

[Indigo Pab]

Donaire's record is far too good for him to drop out completely, for me. It's not like Rignondeaux "exposed" him or anything last night, Donaire was a legitimate top 3-4(I had him at #2) P4P fighter going into the fight so it's evidently more a case of Rigondeaux being a great fighter rather than Donaire not being as good as previously though. For me, anyways.

Mayweather, Marquez, Ward, Martinez, Rigo, Donaire, Pacquiao, Wlad, Mares, and Timbo would probably make up my list. Don't really know about the order.

 

[Bryn]

Rigondeaux at 5, Donaire at 6.

PBF
Marquez
Ward
Martinez
Rigo
Donaire
Pacquiao
Wlad
Mares
Bradley

Off the top of my head.

EDIT: Good list, @Pabby

 

[adamcanavan]

Mayweather
Marquez
Martinez
Ward
Pacquiao
Rigo
Wlad
Froch
Donaire
Bradley

 

[doug.ie]

donaire is still as great as ever in my eyes....last night does not take away everything he has achieved in the past 5 years....he was up against an exceptionally good champion, another modern day great...even getting a knockdown against rigo is an achievement...he stayed the 12 and did really well in the fight...and is as great as he ever was for me.

as for p4p, i'm not great at that...but just to say he hasn't gone down any in what i think of him...he's great.

 

[JamieC]

:lol: Fucks sake.

Good list

thats a quality list

 

[Lilo]

Irrelevant to the OP's question, which by the way I agree that you have to have Rigondeaux ahead of Donaire now considering it was such a dominant win, but I can't see how Martinez can be ranked at no.2 on any list. No way is he ahead of Marquez for me and I would say that Ward's record is the more impressive of the two as well.

Also, Gamboa hasn't done enough to merit being top 10 IMO. He has a very good win against Salido, a solid one against Ponce de Leon but nothing out of the ordinary behind that. If you compare with other people around the top 10, his record falls short with someone like Mares who has Moreno, Agbeko X2, Darchinyan and Perez (which he deserved the W for) consecutively.

Its very close for me, I can see the argument for any of Ward, JMM or Sergio being in any spot 2-4 and on a different day I might feel differently. For me though

Martinez-JMM-Ward

Looking at their last 6 (or so) I do think Martinez has the best record and some of his wins are very underrated; KOs against top ten Euro champs Barker/Macklin and Dzinziruk* (who he absolutely ruined) are solid defences. They are just as good as winning decisions against Bika, Abraham and Green. Then you have Chavez-Williams-Pavlik vs Kessler-Froch-Dawson, I see them as being close too.

Really, I think its so close it comes down to the fact that I prefer watching Martinez and Marquez.

Think you're right about Gamboa was struggling for a #10, probably stick Mares in there.

 

[JFT96]

Its very close for me, I can see the argument for any of Ward, JMM or Sergio being in any spot 2-4 and on a different day I might feel differently. For me though

Martinez-JMM-Ward

Looking at their last 6 (or so) I do think Martinez has the best record and some of his wins are very underrated; KOs against top ten Euro champs Barker/Macklin and Dzinziruk* (who he absolutely ruined) are solid defences. They are just as good as winning decisions against Bika, Abraham and Green. Then you have Chavez-Williams-Pavlik vs Kessler-Froch-Dawson, I see them as being close too.

Really, I think its so close it comes down to the fact that I prefer watching Martinez and Marquez.

Think you're right about Gamboa was struggling for a #10, probably stick Mares in there.

Fair enough. I can see why you rank Martinez ahead of Ward, not much in that one at all. I'd still probably have Marquez ahead of the two but as you say, it's very close and up for debate.