Greb, especially if Harry was indeed faster than Robby. Much is made of the fact Ray never took on Burley, but the one most likely to have dethroned him of the MW crown he never defended against was Dave Sands. Robinson and Sands were the first to master Bobo Olson.
Who do you favor against SRR?
I'm a strong believer that no boxer in the history is invincible, but who do you prime 4 prime favor/give a good chanche against SRR at lightweight and welterweight? Mine pick would be Thomas Hearns
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I'd enjoy watching that one.I'm a strong believer that no boxer in the history is invincible, but who do you prime 4 prime favor/give a good chanche against SRR at lightweight and welterweight? Mine pick would be Thomas Hearns
The Sands match-up would of been at middleweight like you say. I wouldn't class a middleweight Robinson as prime and he was definitely merely human at that weight. Greb was a middle again.Greb, especially if Harry was indeed faster than Robby. Much is made of the fact Ray never took on Burley, but the one most likely to have dethroned him of the MW crown he never defended against was Dave Sands. Robinson and Sands were the first to master Bobo Olson.
I would like to see a Robinson-Walker match-up at welter and Robinson-Armstrong.
I've always felt Burley could possibly win in an ugly fight with his off-centre stance reducing Robinson's target, taking away the right hand to an extent and leaving him better positioned than most to deal with that left-hook, he's got the kind of variety on the jab aswell to disrupt Sugar's offence and try and throw him out of his rhythm a bit, mainly though I think he would throw him off with feints, I'm not sure there's anybody I'd outright favour over him in a one-off fight at his peak though.
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Burley - the much better defence and comparable speed
Hearns - better jab/range and as quick. If it goes the distance I'd go with Hearns
Leonard - quicker of hand, foot and reactions, if he boxes on the backfoot he could outpoint Robinson
Burley - the much better defence and comparable speed
Hearns - better jab/range and as quick. If it goes the distance I'd go with Hearns
Leonard - quicker of hand, foot and reactions, if he boxes on the backfoot he could outpoint Robinson
That's all wrong for beating Robinson.if he boxes on the backfoot he could outpoint Robinson
I take it we are going same weight and not like when La Motta beat him as a middle.
I think there are two types who could give him trouble from reading up on his fights of that time and from what we saw after.
A great counter puncher who could match him for height and reach ala Gavilan.
Or a very good swarmer ala Basillio.
From those styles I would put forth Benitez and Duran, both would have to be in their very prime though, Duran from Leonard 1 and Benitez from the Duran fight. Leonard would also be very interesting but I think as well as Hearns does he gets chin checked by Robinson.
I think there are two types who could give him trouble from reading up on his fights of that time and from what we saw after.
A great counter puncher who could match him for height and reach ala Gavilan.
Or a very good swarmer ala Basillio.
From those styles I would put forth Benitez and Duran, both would have to be in their very prime though, Duran from Leonard 1 and Benitez from the Duran fight. Leonard would also be very interesting but I think as well as Hearns does he gets chin checked by Robinson.
I also think Duran of the first Leonard fight could push him all the way
Carlos Monzon would have beaten him.
I don't think so, the way to beat Robinson is to beat him to the punch and/or make him miss and counter him. Different fighters of lesser ability did this to varying degrees.That's all wrong for beating Robinson.
Do remember Robinson was pretty old against Basillio at something like 36 or 37. Pressuring a puncher like Robinson gives him tons of countering opportunities. Lamotta had some success doing it but was about 20lbs heavier.I take it we are going same weight and not like when La Motta beat him as a middle.
I think there are two types who could give him trouble from reading up on his fights of that time and from what we saw after.
A great counter puncher who could match him for height and reach ala Gavilan.
Or a very good swarmer ala Basillio.
From those styles I would put forth Benitez and Duran, both would have to be in their very prime though, Duran from Leonard 1 and Benitez from the Duran fight. Leonard would also be very interesting but I think as well as Hearns does he gets chin checked by Robinson.
Yeah I factored the age but it still showed some glimmers to take advantage of. Plus Duran was far far far more skilled than Basilio so that should balance out some weight of the age.Do remember Robinson was pretty old against Basillio at something like 36 or 37. Pressuring a puncher like Robinson gives him tons of countering opportunities. Lamotta had some success doing it but was about 20lbs heavier.
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Montreal Duran would be all up in his shit. I cant pick a winner though.
At middle Monzon is a good shout.
At middle Monzon is a good shout.
I'd pick Hearns at 154 (and higher) over 12.
Not sure who won against Robinson on the backfoot. Be great if could give me some info.I don't think so, the way to beat Robinson is to beat him to the punch and/or make him miss and counter him. Different fighters of lesser ability did this to varying degrees.
Turpin too the centre of the ring, used his jab, feinted well, slipped punches and countered very well to win their first fight. This is the best win over Robinson because he is prime imo and unlike in the Lamotta fights he isn't giving up weight. Turpin imo was winning the rematch until Robinson turned it around.Not sure who won against Robinson on the backfoot. Be great if could give me some info.
Gavilan and Tommy Bell gave Robinson close controversial fights in their first fights with the rematches being close too. The poster John Garfield who passed away last year was at the first Bell fight and told us the fans booed the decision.
I'm not with you on Robinson being prime at that point, but agree that Turpin was a nightmare for Robinson. I'm probably in the minority but in the rubber match that never happened I would of picked Turpin.Turpin too the centre of the ring, used his jab, feinted well, slipped punches and countered very well to win their first fight. This is the best win over Robinson because he is prime imo and unlike in the Lamotta fights he isn't giving up weight. Turpin imo was winning the rematch until Robinson turned it around.
I'm not sure on why Gavilan comes up, Robinson handled him pretty easy on both occasions.Gavilan and Tommy Bell gave Robinson close controversial fights in their first fights with the rematches being close too. The poster John Garfield who passed away last year was at the first Bell fight and told us the fans booed the decision.
He probably meant the second Bell fight, for the welterweight crown. The first was a one-sided affair.
I don't know about favor but i think there are alot of interesting matchups that i would be on the fence about or give guys a live underdog status against him.
From his own era Sands, Lausse and Burley would have been nice. Overall Greb, Walker, Steele, Monzon, Duran, Hagler and considering he lost quite clearly by all accounts to a shot post war Abrams you have to wonder if pure boxers like Abrams, Yarosz, M.Gibbons, Nunn, Kalambay could pull it off.
From his own era Sands, Lausse and Burley would have been nice. Overall Greb, Walker, Steele, Monzon, Duran, Hagler and considering he lost quite clearly by all accounts to a shot post war Abrams you have to wonder if pure boxers like Abrams, Yarosz, M.Gibbons, Nunn, Kalambay could pull it off.
I think Robinson would stop Hearns. Apologies if it sounds cliche, but I really don't favour any welterweight outright against Robinson.
I've read several accounts that have Gavilan winning the first fight.I'm not with you on Robinson being prime at that point, but agree that Turpin was a nightmare for Robinson. I'm probably in the minority but in the rubber match that never happened I would of picked Turpin.
I'm not sure on why Gavilan comes up, Robinson handled him pretty easy on both occasions.
He probably meant the second Bell fight, for the welterweight crown. The first was a one-sided affair.
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