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Joshua's need fight seems to be with his truth. I think the man is gay and he wants to live his truth, but his handlers don't want him to come out. He might lose a few endorsements and some fans, but at lease he will be happy. It will probably make his a better fighter if he doesn't have to hide who he is.
What? Where is this coming from? Are you 12?
 

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I'd agree that it depends on the result, if he's beaten again and wants to continue in the sport, the guy is going to need a string of gimme wins to get his confidence back up there.

If he wins, potential trilogy with Usyk or possibility of tempting Fury into the fight. I wouldn't take that fight with only a few months recovery and training though.
Good post and assessment ahead of the Joshua/Usyk II fight. With AJ having lost 3 of his last 5 fights, he will definitely need some lesser talent before him-----and some convincing wins to get some confidence back.

On paper, he should not have lost to Ruiz or Usyk, but in the ring is where these things are determined and things didn't work out for AJ. Now, does he have the drive to repair the damage his career has taken with these losses or will he be content to just fade away and try to live off what he's already made in the ring and be content with "what was" and leave it at that.

That seems to have worked out for many former fighters if they manage their career earnings well.
 

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Good post and assessment ahead of the Joshua/Usyk II fight. With AJ having lost 3 of his last 5 fights, he will definitely need some lesser talent before him-----and some convincing wins to get some confidence back.

On paper, he should not have lost to Ruiz or Usyk, but in the ring is where these things are determined and things didn't work out for AJ. Now, does he have the drive to repair the damage his career has taken with these losses or will he be content to just fade away and try to live off what he's already made in the ring and be content with "what was" and leave it at that.

That seems to have worked out for many former fighters if they manage their career earnings well.
That's true, he's made an unholy amount of money in his career and it's not been a career where he's taken too much damage. It's a strange one though because he's still young, fresh, driven and much more than a handful for almost anybody out there... not everyone has the skillset of Usyk.

Like I said in another post, if we're truthful about AJ's career... he had the typical resume building fights up until the Kevin Johnson fight, in I think his 10th pro bout, he then faced a bunch of green or average guys like Breazeale and Whyte, his best win was going life and death against a ring rusty Wlad who hadn't fought since losing to Fury about a year and a half earlier (basically came out of retirement for that fight), then he fought some of the guys who I consider to be a bit less than the top tier, like Parker and Pulev... then he loses embarrassingly to Ruiz, regains his titles by fighting in the most cautious way possible and then loses immediately twice in pretty clear fashion to a much smaller but much more talented boxer.

I just think he was brought on too early and marketed really well by Hearn... he had the sponsorships, he looked like a videogame character version of what a HW Champ is meant to look like and had the power to have a great highlight reel against poor opposition... but I think he needed an extra 7-8 fights against gradually better guys in the division before making the step up.

I can't criticise too harshly because look at the money he's made but if we're talking legacy and a full career, is the money going to be enough to make him happy?

It can be a curse too sometimes.
 

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What? Where is this coming from? Are you 12?
Well rumours started on the forums and social media cus he has never been pictured at an event or party with a woman.

Then again Lennox Lewis was accused as well. And that stayed with him until he got married after retirement.

Don’t know if their is truth in these rumours. Sports stars who have media training. Are advised not to discuss their personal life in public or post it on social media. Because once that door is opened then as far as the Tabloids are concerned you are fair game everything personal is now public domain.

I remember David Haye mentioning this on why he never mentioned his wife and kids on social media or refused to answer any questions about them. He said he had media training and was advised never to do so in order to protect them from the press.

Anyway it is kind of weird when these celebrities wish happy birthday or thank their wives and kids on social media. Surely you live in the same house and can do that directly.

And usually the kids of these celebs who grow up under public scrutiny end messed up.
 
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That's true, he's made an unholy amount of money in his career and it's not been a career where he's taken too much damage. It's a strange one though because he's still young, fresh, driven and much more than a handful for almost anybody out there... not everyone has the skillset of Usyk.

Like I said in another post, if we're truthful about AJ's career... he had the typical resume building fights up until the Kevin Johnson fight, in I think his 10th pro bout, he then faced a bunch of green or average guys like Breazeale and Whyte, his best win was going life and death against a ring rusty Wlad who hadn't fought since losing to Fury about a year and a half earlier (basically came out of retirement for that fight), then he fought some of the guys who I consider to be a bit less than the top tier, like Parker and Pulev... then he loses embarrassingly to Ruiz, regains his titles by fighting in the most cautious way possible and then loses immediately twice in pretty clear fashion to a much smaller but much more talented boxer.

I just think he was brought on too early and marketed really well by Hearn... he had the sponsorships, he looked like a videogame character version of what a HW Champ is meant to look like and had the power to have a great highlight reel against poor opposition... but I think he needed an extra 7-8 fights against gradually better guys in the division before making the step up.

I can't criticise too harshly because look at the money he's made but if we're talking legacy and a full career, is the money going to be enough to make him happy?

It can be a curse too sometimes.
I think AJ has done the best he could have done given when and where he started, you can't really give a fighter who started at 18 the experience of one who started at 10. Those years are lost for ever and you can never get that back so he was eventually always gonna find someone who made that advantage count. In terms of his career, I strongly disagree about the WK fight, WK was more motivated in that fight than he was for Fury ( which was just the umpteenth defense in a row) and he looked fitter and more eager. AJ then fought the best fights he could make, Parker, Pulev, Povetkin etc are all the best guys outside Fury (who for most of that time was retired/on his low key return against tomato cans) or Wilder who dodged him to fight nobodies.

You can't criticise EH, he did the perfect job with AJ he didn't fight for the title till fight 16 which is pretty late for an Olympic gold medallist these days and he expert positioned him to get the IBF belt against Martin. He continued to look good until Ruiz and unbeknownst to us at the time that finished AJ's ability to commit to an attack and that is ultimately what has lead to rule out any chance of further success. If he had the 7 or 8 extra fights you suggest he wouldn't have been able to seize the opportunities he did and would be lucky to have made 1/10 of the money he has made and he still wouldn't have had that 8-10 years of amateur childhood training that would allow him to fight Usyk on equal terms.

You ask if the money is enough, probably not but he has no more hope of being anything more than the 3rd best HW of the post Klitschko era even if he retires now and if he continues he will likely tarnish that further given he isn't the pre-Ruiz fighter any more.
 

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Good post and assessment ahead of the Joshua/Usyk II fight. With AJ having lost 3 of his last 5 fights, he will definitely need some lesser talent before him-----and some convincing wins to get some confidence back.

On paper, he should not have lost to Ruiz or Usyk, but in the ring is where these things are determined and things didn't work out for AJ. Now, does he have the drive to repair the damage his career has taken with these losses or will he be content to just fade away and try to live off what he's already made in the ring and be content with "what was" and leave it at that.

That seems to have worked out for many former fighters if they manage their career earnings well.
I just don't see the motivation fighting tomato cans to give him "confidence" and it will make what goodwill he has left with the public disappear entirely if he is fighting Seferi on DAZN PPV for £25 a pop. AJ has spent his entire career working towards World Champion, Unified Champ and Undisputed. None of those are options going forward I can't see that what he will get from any of it the only reason he will keep fighting is if he just likes it and doesn't care about the money or the fact it may destroy what reputation he has as he can't improve either going forward. As a fan I want him to retire with some dignity but if his heart is set on carrying on then I have to accept that's his choice it's just a little odd to me. You don't see former Man City players getting excited to play Rochdale.
 

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I just don't see the motivation fighting tomato cans to give him "confidence" and it will make what goodwill he has left with the public disappear entirely if he is fighting Seferi on DAZN PPV for £25 a pop. AJ has spent his entire career working towards World Champion, Unified Champ and Undisputed. None of those are options going forward I can't see that what he will get from any of it the only reason he will keep fighting is if he just likes it and doesn't care about the money or the fact it may destroy what reputation he has as he can't improve either going forward. As a fan I want him to retire with some dignity but if his heart is set on carrying on then I have to accept that's his choice it's just a little odd to me. You don't see former Man City players getting excited to play Rochdale.
AJ is still young, and I think he had the wrong trainer. While he did better, he fought too small.
I think Jonathan Banks or Sugar Hill Steward would have had AJ utilizing his size advantage. Garcia took away Joshua's jab, and AJ kept leaning over his front foot. I don't know what that was. I didn't even know that AJ's footwork was so bad, but he was very clumsy in this fight. The power of positivity can only take you so far.
You have to correct the things that you are doing wrong. That is what makes you a better fighter.
Joshua has only lost three fights. He just needs to correct a few thins. And he needs to fight like a big man. And he should not be soft in the ring. He needs to be tougher and not let smaller men punk him. Lennox and Wlad both changed their styles and fought smarter. I think AJ can do the same.
 

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Dude. I work in a hospital. Lots of gays here, and one of them thinks he's gay, too. The mannerisms, the emotions. Even Hearn talking about what he's going through. Even if he is, there's nothing wrong with that. It is what it is. I just think he should let himself be happy.
I'm not criticising if he is I'm just saying I have seen nothing to indicate that, just seems like idle gossip to me as it makes no difference to his boxing career.
AJ is still young, and I think he had the wrong trainer. While he did better, he fought too small.
I think Jonathan Banks or Sugar Hill Steward would have had AJ utilizing his size advantage. Garcia took away Joshua's jab, and AJ kept leaning over his front foot. I don't know what that was. I didn't even know that AJ's footwork was so bad, but he was very clumsy in this fight. The power of positivity can only take you so far.
You have to correct the things that you are doing wrong. That is what makes you a better fighter.
Joshua has only lost three fights. He just needs to correct a few thins. And he needs to fight like a big man. And he should not be soft in the ring. He needs to be tougher and not let smaller men punk him. Lennox and Wlad both changed their styles and fought smarter. I think AJ can do the same.
Hmm no he isn't he will 33 shortly, he is in the second half of his career even if he fought till 40 and that is extremely unlikely and given what he has already achieved it seem pretty unlikely he would be able to make that scale of changes quickly enough to have any effect on his career positively. Even if he had the capability to make the changes you think would make him competitive by the time he did Usyk and Fury will have retired and he will have no chance to show that improvement and he is still only the no 3 of this era, alot of work for almost no reward.
 

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I'm not criticising if he is I'm just saying I have seen nothing to indicate that, just seems like idle gossip to me as it makes no difference to his boxing career.


Hmm no he isn't he will 33 shortly, he is in the second half of his career even if he fought till 40 and that is extremely unlikely and given what he has already achieved it seem pretty unlikely he would be able to make that scale of changes quickly enough to have any effect on his career positively. Even if he had the capability to make the changes you think would make him competitive by the time he did Usyk and Fury will have retired and he will have no chance to show that improvement and he is still only the no 3 of this era, alot of work for almost no reward.
Is money not a reward? How much work is it to change to a trainer that will teach you how to utilize the natural gifts you have. And 33 is still relatively young. You are never too old to improve yourself. You just have to have the right attitude, and the right people around you. At this point, AJ doesn't even need to the thinking about Usyk or Fury. He has time to get himself right. Tbf, AJ needs to improve his basic skills. IMHO, he seems to still be learning fundamentals. He can't even throw an effective combination. He has plenty of room for improvement.
 

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Is money not a reward? How much work is it to change to a trainer that will teach you how to utilize the natural gifts you have. And 33 is still relatively young. You are never too old to improve yourself. You just have to have the right attitude, and the right people around you. At this point, AJ doesn't even need to the thinking about Usyk or Fury. He has time to get himself right. Tbf, AJ needs to improve his basic skills. IMHO, he seems to still be learning fundamentals. He can't even throw an effective combination. He has plenty of room for improvement.
Well firstly I don't agree with your assessment, you don't live with Usyk even in a loss as well as he did without a pretty good skill set. Money is only a motivator so far, AJ has ~£100m, is an extra £20m-£30m for another 4 or 5 fights really gonna get him up in the morning I doubt it. As I said earlier, the only reason he stays is entirely for himself because he likes boxing and wants to improve for his own satisfaction not because it will yield him any praise or money as he wont get even a fraction of that compared to what he has already.
 

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Well firstly I don't agree with your assessment, you don't live with Usyk even in a loss as well as he did without a pretty good skill set. Money is only a motivator so far, AJ has ~£100m, is an extra £20m-£30m for another 4 or 5 fights really gonna get him up in the morning I doubt it. As I said earlier, the only reason he stays is entirely for himself because he likes boxing and wants to improve for his own satisfaction not because it will yield him any praise or money as he wont get even a fraction of that compared to what he has already.
Well, you act as if you know him personally. If not, then it doesn't matter what you or I say. But you are coming off as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and you do. You are also coming off as a person with a defeatist attitude. I guess next you want to give him a participation trophy.
And why the fuck would I live with Usyk? With your analogy of Anthony, it sounds like you are sharing a flat. How do you know what motivates him? How do you know what makes him happy? You seem a bit odd.
 

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Well firstly I don't agree with your assessment, you don't live with Usyk even in a loss as well as he did without a pretty good skill set. Money is only a motivator so far, AJ has ~£100m, is an extra £20m-£30m for another 4 or 5 fights really gonna get him up in the morning I doubt it. As I said earlier, the only reason he stays is entirely for himself because he likes boxing and wants to improve for his own satisfaction not because it will yield him any praise or money as he wont get even a fraction of that compared to what he has already.

AJ was upset not about the belts but the money.
Derek Chisora.

Most fighters are in this game for the Money. As Mayweather put it you can’t eat legacy.

Legacy does mean anything within 15-20 years of retiring most boxers are forgotten in any case. And many of these Hall of Famers end up broke and destitute.
 

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Old School promoter and probably the greatest British Promoter Mickey Duff did not believe in rematches if a fighter of his lost. And definitely not immediate rematches.

His method was to let the fighter fight 3 or 4 tomatoes quickly in a row. To boost their confidence. Before putting them back at a championship level. These days with TV contracts PPV the fighter is unable to step down a level in opposition.

It is not very good for a boxer to mentally to sit around and stew over a defeat. More he thinks about it the more anxious he becomes.

In my opinion AJ should fight a tomatoe can in October and another in December.

Then moving back to world level next spring.
 

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Sky have posted the Uncut version of AJ’s behaviour postfight.
This is a terrible look and probably what he will be remembered for.

Respect to Usyk for his restraint. If AJ had done this against the likes of Deontay Wilder there would have been an all out Brawl.
 

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Well firstly I don't agree with your assessment, you don't live with Usyk even in a loss as well as he did without a pretty good skill set. Money is only a motivator so far, AJ has ~£100m, is an extra £20m-£30m for another 4 or 5 fights really gonna get him up in the morning I doubt it. As I said earlier, the only reason he stays is entirely for himself because he likes boxing and wants to improve for his own satisfaction not because it will yield him any praise or money as he wont get even a fraction of that compared to what he has already.
AJ was recently raising the question of why he wasn't receiving the support and respect he thought he deserved.

You seem to hear only what you want to hear.
 

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Sky have posted the Uncut version of AJ’s behaviour postfight.
This is a terrible look and probably what he will be remembered for.

Respect to Usyk for his restraint. If AJ had done this against the likes of Deontay Wilder there would have been an all out Brawl.
Only one word for that. Disgraceful. Behaved like a spoiled little brat.
 

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Well, you act as if you know him personally. If not, then it doesn't matter what you or I say. But you are coming off as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and you do. You are also coming off as a person with a defeatist attitude. I guess next you want to give him a participation trophy.
And why the fuck would I live with Usyk? With your analogy of Anthony, it sounds like you are sharing a flat. How do you know what motivates him? How do you know what makes him happy? You seem a bit odd.
I agree it doesn't matter but this is a place to air views of what we think, I'm just airing mine, I'm not saying anything about yours, In terms of defeatist I would say a realist, the reality of what is achievable from here is not that hard to fathom it's not rocket science to see what paths are left available. I'm confused that you don't understand that people would speculate on what might happen or what the motivations would be.
 

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Sky have posted the Uncut version of AJ’s behaviour postfight.
This is a terrible look and probably what he will be remembered for.

Respect to Usyk for his restraint. If AJ had done this against the likes of Deontay Wilder there would have been an all out Brawl.
Only by those of you looking to find reasons to hate him, which you didn't need to as you do already. This is just a passionate guy who has lost his last chance, yeh it was unconventional and maybe not even the way AJ would have chosen with a clearer head but most of what he said wasn't controversial and he paid tribute to Usyk. Only the haters think, this footnote to his career could possibly overshadow all the great nights.
 
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