Who wins? Oscar De Loya V Floyd Mayweather
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i would say the same.
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ODH POints, in their fight it was very close, and Floyd was closer to his best than ODH at that time.
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130 and 154 are Mayweather's, I think. But by the time Oscar gets his experience but is physically at his sharpest, I think strongly he takes Mayweather, and that includes through 140-147. 135 is the one I'd wonder about the most. I only had one fight going against him by the time he left 147 and it was a close one to Mosley. Mayweather wouldn't be out-boxed, but I feel he'd be outgunned by a more imposing boxer-puncher there. If they had a trilogy, I'd pick Oscar 2-1. I can see Mayweather ending up taking one there by just making the right adjustments that Oscar can't nullify with his physicality advantage. I thought their fight at 154 was much closer than some make it out to be and I know damned well that was a faded, far less interesting Oscar than the guy that outboxed and befuddled Trinidad, brawled it out down to the wire with Mosley at 147 and made Chavez bleeding wreck when it still had real value for the damage at 140. That guy could skin a cat more than one way. The 154-pounder that Floyd got, not so much.
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Floyd for me. First off I just see him as being a clearly better fighter. Then we have the point of Oscar not being at his peak, well Oscar looked of real quality in their actual fight, he wasn't at his peak but he was far from shot like in his later fights. At the end of the day I don't see how even if Oscar is in his prime and has more speed etc what is going to stop what happened in the actual fight, which is Oscar doing tremendously well early and then mayweather adapting and changing his strategy thinking on his feet mid fight and taking over the last half of the fight to win. Ability to adapt wins it for me. If Oscar had the skill inside of say a Duran or a Whitaker it could be different but as I say I just don't see Oscar overall being of the effectiveness of floyd.
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I think it was more De La Hoya abandoning the jab than Floyd adapting and taking over to be honest. I'll also go ahead (probably going to get some slack for this, but fuck it) that Floyd isn't clearly a better boxer than De La Hoya.
When DLH was pumping the jab he was making Floyd wholly uncomfortable and pushing him to the ropes where he could do his work. A younger, fresher version of De La Hoya would keep shooting the jab and backing Floyd up.
De La Hoya UD.
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Boxers wit has much experience as Oscar had don't just abandon what is working for them. He stopped firing that jab because Mayweather adjusted.
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Floyd was adjusting and beginning to counter over the jab, but De La Hoya didn't just slow it down. He utterly stopped throwing it altogether even though it was a good tool to use.
I don't believe Oscar just completely abandoned it because of Floyd's adjustments, when he started losing rounds quite clearly after he stopped using it.
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Oscar comfortable points deciision.
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I flat out disagree with the line of thinking that Floyd isn't better than Oscar. I think the footage backs this up personally but I suppose this is ultimately down to opinion.
On the point you said about De La Hoya simply mysteriously abandoning his jab that was working so well, well all I can say is what I always say, full credit to the winner of very fight and I wouldn't wish to undermine that. Claiming that Oscar just decided to abandon his jab is speculation to me, whereas the evidence shows that Floyd was fighting one way and losing, and then began to win fighting another way. So I'm going to stick by my convictions on this one.
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Good post
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Again I disagree. The right hand if Floyd looked from where I was sittin to completely negate the jab of Oscar which was doing brilliantly up until that point.
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Mayweather didn't adjust. IT is a fact that Oscar was countered more in the second round on his jab than he was in the fifth, the round that was supposed to put him off. Only one of Oscar's six jabs were countered by right hands in that fifth round - the jab was being countered less, not more. One punch.
They asked Oscar after, directly, and he came out with some bullshit, but Roach pretty much explained it when he said that Oscar had become tired and lost half a step. He was no longer able to get "suddenly" into range in the way he was in the first half of the fight. Just watch it, it's all there.
They asked Oscar after, directly, and he came out with some bullshit, but Roach pretty much explained it when he said that Oscar had become tired and lost half a step. He was no longer able to get "suddenly" into range in the way he was in the first half of the fight. Just watch it, it's all there.
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Nice usage of statistical propaganda. If you watch the actual fight instead of acting like a media man who is on the compubox payroll then it's very very clear he adjusted. He was feinting with the right and cocking it in a way that was making Oscar jab shy for a start.
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Watch the fight and then look in the mirror and laugh at yourself.
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And they are solid convictions.
I didn't say Floyd wasn't a better boxer than De La Hoya, just that it wasn't clear. If ODLH had the Mosley II win and Trinidad win (scored both for De La Hoya) his resume would be absolutely superior to Floyd.
Mayweather at welter is not clearly better than De La Hoya was. Sure, H2H, at super-feather he was an absolutely brilliant fighter (still is at welter, mind, but super-feather Floyd is just amazing on so many levels) but De La Hoya, to me, in his prime would beat him at welterweight.
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