[JamieC]

Who is the best amateur boxer ever? You can judge it how you want, be that medal haul or performance or whatever. Is it Papp? Stevenson? Savon? Kindelan? Or maybe even Rigondeaux or Lomachenko? Or do people think people like Ray Leonard, Whitaker or Roy Jones etc deserve an honourable mention for good perfomances in Olympics?

Personally I favour ones that consistently perform over various tournaments but can't pick a no. 1, if pushed I'd say Papp

 

[Luf]

I'm unsure.

I'd say it's Rigo since I'm pretty sure he actually beat everyone he ever faced.

 

[JamieC]

I'm unsure.

I'd say it's Rigo since I'm pretty sure he actually beat everyone he ever faced.

Rigo's up with a very good shout, I think Lomachenko as well, one loss avenged twice in 400 odd bouts is not bad going. I met him and got a photo I was chuffed :lol: love watching Lomachenko, he could be a pro world champ in 5 fights :deal

 

[Luf]

Rigo's up with a very good shout, I think Lomachenko as well, one loss avenged twice in 400 odd bouts is not bad going. I met him and got a photo I was chuffed :lol: love watching Lomachenko, he could be a pro world champ in 5 fights :deal

lomachenko has a style well suited to pro fighting. He could be a very successful transition.

 

[O59]

In terms of statistics Vasyl Lomachenko is probably #1. I believe he had almost 400 odd fights with one loss against Albert Selimov? Which he avenged?

That's otherworldly if true, though I'm a bit skeptical of it since there's no way we can verify it. There's footage of him boxing in his teens, who's to say he didn't pick up a few losses as a kid?

 

[JamieC]

In terms of statistics Vasyl Lomachenko is probably #1. I believe he had almost 400 odd fights with one loss against Albert Selimov? Which he avenged?

That's otherworldly if true, though I'm a bit skeptical of it since there's no way we can verify it. There's footage of him boxing in his teens, who's to say he didn't pick up a few losses as a kid?

ye he avenged it at the next olympics emphatically and faced him again recently, he won but it was a messy tricky fight

True but surely somebody would have said something? He's a star in Ukraine so somebody would have stepped forward? He is class so it wouldn't surprise me if he never lost but as you say starting out as an amateur it's hard not to have a patchy record first few fights at least

 

[JamieC]

lomachenko has a style well suited to pro fighting. He could be a very successful transition.

He's a pro in all but name, especially now he's cleaning up in the WSB, can't wait for him to turn over

 

[O59]

ye he avenged it at the next olympics emphatically and faced him again recently, he won but it was a messy tricky fight

True but surely somebody would have said something? He's a star in Ukraine so somebody would have stepped forward? He is class so it wouldn't surprise me if he never lost but as you say starting out as an amateur it's hard not to have a patchy record first few fights at least

Yeah I suppose, if I had defeated Lomachenko when we were 11 or something and he came out stating publicly that he only ever lost to Selimov I'd be fuckin' pissed. :lol:

 

[Luf]

How old is he?

And yes a record like that would have been disputed. There's that guy who disputed Robinson's am achievements. McFarland had massive hype and someone came forward to dispute his record.

This is how people get names "lomachenko was never able to beat me".

What's his actual achievements read like?

 

[JamieC]

Yeah I suppose, if I had defeated Lomachenko when we were 11 or something and he came out stating publicly that he only lever lost to Selimov I'd be fuckin' pissed. :lol:

I'd at least sell my story :lol:

How old is he?

And yes a record like that would have been disputed. There's that guy who disputed Robinson's am achievements. McFarland had massive hype and someone came forward to dispute his record.

This is how people get names "lomachenko was never able to beat me".

What's his actual achievements read like?

In his time as an adult he's only lost once which he avenged twice, but on the number of bouts he's had and his record as a child its a vague, it's stated it's around 400 bouts with only the one defeat. It reminds me of all those American amateurs in the 70s/80s who turned over saying that they had records like 295-5, but when people examined it there's no way they could have had that many fights, or more defeats were found etc :lol:

 

[Luf]

Double Olympian in 2 divisions? Only 24? Still plenty of time to have a pro career, what's he waiting for?

 

[O59]

A guy over on ESB swears by Lomachenko, man. Absolutely swears by him. Thinks he could fight Adrien Broner right now and be victorious or at least be highly successful. He constantly says that Vasyl has the best mixture of offense and defense in the history of the sport. Yeah, the entire sport. He's never even had a professional fight yet and he's being not only compared to the likes of, say, Pernell Whitaker, but touted to mix offense and defense at a higher level.

 

[O59]

Double Olympian in 2 divisions? Only 24? Still plenty of time to have a pro career, what's he waiting for?

He's competing in the WSB now which I think is great, he's getting professional experience against other top amateurs. Much higher level of competition compared to the mandatory cans that a prospect usually fights. Hopefully we won't have to sit through the ham n' egger shit that we usually have to.

Apparently he's signing with a top American promoter and turning professional when this WSB season is over.

 

[Luf]

When is the wsb season over? I don't have a clue how that works at all tbh :lol:

 

[O59]

When is the wsb season over? I don't have a clue how that works at all tbh :lol:

Fairly soon, mate. Vasyl's fighting in the final in a while, I think. Loads of people are wishing him luck on his Twitter and shit, so maybe this Saturday? :conf You need to watch all of his bouts. He genuinely is stunning, especially against Valentino. I mean, these guys are/were top players in the amateur game and they're made to seem useless against the guy.

 

[Chatty]

Lomachenko is an amazing fighter, I watched him a fair bit and he is the business. He's a double Olympic champion, Euro champ, doulble world champ and world silver medallist - not bad for a 24 year old. Not only that but he's pretty much beaten everybody around multiple times.

he's now in WSB which will only help him transfer better into the pros. I think he's doing that as he wants to be a triple Olympic champ and they are in the middle of turning it so certain pros can fight in the Olypics so I think he's just waiting to assess his options.

The best have been mentioned. I fI could add some one it would be Mark Breland who was shit hot as an amateur as well.

 

[Luf]

I've seen him fight, he looks awesome. I just dunno much about the wsb.

 

[O59]

Papp deserves a mention.

Tarver was brilliant in the amateurs.

 

[JamieC]

A guy over on ESB swears by Lomachenko, man. Absolutely swears by him. Thinks he could fight Adrien Broner right now and be victorious or at least be highly successful. He constantly says that Vasyl has the best mixture of offense and defense in the history of the sport. Yeah, the entire sport. He's never even had a professional fight yet and he's being not only compared to the likes of, say, Pernell Whitaker, but touted to mix offense and defense at a higher level.

I'd say that was me but I dont go on ESB anymore :lol: I think he's unbelievably good, he'd slot into the top 5 at lightweight within 2-3 bouts if he wanted and I'm serious. It helps its a poor division, but he could make super feather as he only moved up to lightweight to compete in Olympics after they scrapped his weight and he'd decimate that division as it's even worse. He's not going to learn much as a pro now, he's done it all, just get him in at top level asap.

 

[JamieC]

I've seen him fight, he looks awesome. I just dunno much about the wsb.

I like the WSB, really like it. I think he's doing it to get a taster in the pros and test his transition ability (hes pissed it) plus the money they're chucking around is very very good i think, it's funded by Central Asian oil tycoons or something, its big money for the fighters