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1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Andre Ward
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Carl Froch
9. Abner Mares
10. Brian Viloria

11. Timothy Bradley
12. Vitali Klitschko
13. Yuriorkis Gamboa
14. Anselmo Moreno
15. Chad Dawson
16. Orlando Salido
17. Austin Trout
18. Bernard Hopkins
19. Danny Garcia
20. Lucas Matthysse

21. Mikkel Kessler
22. Robert Guerrero
23. Daniel Ponce De Leon
24. Kazuto Ioka
25. Miguel Cotto
26. Daniel Geale
27. Saul Alvarez
28. Tomasz Adamek
29. Yoan Pablo Hernandez
30. Toshiyuki Igarashi
 

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Where's Roman Gonzalez? He is a cert for a top 15 place, no?

Agree that Froch is too high. Viloria and especially Mares have better recent records (especially if you still rate Moreno).

Matthysse is arguably undefeated, so he should definitely move up
 

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I scored it to Adamek by one point, but I seem to be in a very small minority with that opinion.
Of the 150 people scoring the fight, I think only 13 had Adamek winning. It was a pure robbery.

As for Gonzalez, he has spanked pretty much everyone he has met. He has a better record than Ioka at the weight for sure. I can't see how you could have Gonzalez below Ioka and Igarashi. Makes no sense to me
 

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I just can't see how anyone could have Ward higher than Donaire.

If Ward had beaten Dawson at 175 (as he should've done) then maybe but Donaire has just as many quality wins but more in number and more titles (regardless of what you think of them) in several weight classes.

Don't get me wrong Ward is exceptional but higher than Donaire? Not for me. Destroying Nishioka in his weight class is a far better weight than destroying a shell of Dawson. The Arce win is better than Bika/Green and just as good as Abraham IMO.
 

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As for Gonzalez, he has spanked pretty much everyone he has met. He has a better record than Ioka at the weight for sure. I can't see how you could have Gonzalez below Ioka and Igarashi. Makes no sense to me
Has he beaten anyone better than Sithsamerchai? Why hasn't he ever unified?
 

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I just can't see how anyone could have Ward higher than Donaire.

If Ward had beaten Dawson at 175 (as he should've done) then maybe but Donaire has just as many quality wins but more in number and more titles (regardless of what you think of them) in several weight classes.

Don't get me wrong Ward is exceptional but higher than Donaire? Not for me. Destroying Nishioka in his weight class is a far better weight than destroying a shell of Dawson. The Arce win is better than Bika/Green and just as good as Abraham IMO.
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Has he beaten anyone better than Sithsamerchai? Why hasn't he ever unified?
You're holding it against him because he hasn't unified? Even tho he is a two weight world champion? Yet you have Gamboa just outside of the top 10, despite his inactivity? I just don't understand the logic of not having one of the hardest hitting p4p fighters, who is a two weight world champion, undefeated and has blasted through pretty much everyone in the division, but you'd have someone like Hopkins who has had 1 meaningful win in 3 years, and Adamak who was soundly dominated by Cunningham, Vitali and was probably beaten by a one armed Arreola and Eddie Chambers
 

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There is no way that the current top two Japanese boxers are Ioka and Igarashi. Uchiyama, Sato, Yamanaka and Hasegawa all deserve to be ranked higher than them, IMO.

Mthalane deserves a place in the top 30 for me.
 

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I never really know what an accurate placing for Gonzalez would be to be honest. Depends on your criteria really, I mean I love the dude and all but his résumé is pretty thin in terms of actually beating quality fighters. There is a dearth in talent at the weights he's fought at anyways and he hasn't even beaten most of the better guys there. He's got solid enough guys like Niida, Rosas, Chango Vargas, Takayama, Hirales, and a couple of others but none of them are really all that in the grand scheme of things, and I have a lot of love for Vargas. So yeah, mostly just a bundle of B/C level wins for me, but he's a tremendous offensive talent and if you are one who puts more emphasis on perceived talent and/or ability then I can't really complain. I honestly can never really settle on where he should be, maybe just inside the top 20 or something.

Nice to see someone else feels that way about the placing of Donaire/Ward, @Lilo. I've mentioned that once or twice and tend to be shot down straight away.:yep

Personally I don't think Adamek or Igrashi warrant a place at all. The latter might be "lineal champion" at the weight or whatever but doing so by beating Sonny Boy Jaro kind of dilutes it for me. I'd probably have Mares above Froch but I'm glad you have him higher than most people do. I think his recent achievements get underrated by some people.
 
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