[Dynamito]

He's a very good plodder. Had little difficulty catching up with Saunders, who is pretty slick no matter how much he is disliked.

Too much of a plodder for my liking...Sooner or later he will meet a fighter who he cant catch up to.

 

[Dynamito]

I'm not sure DDD is a retaliatory type of guy anyway but it just so happens he's joined Tibbs' stable just before the fight so I suppose he was never going to "get his own back" on BJS now, likewise if DDD was in the stable when he quit against JJJ, BJS no doubt wouldn't have offered any criticism

Several videos of Mark Tibbs also expressing his disappointment at Daniel Dubois "Quitting" in interviews on youtube. He did not use the harsh tone of others...but seemed to be on the same page about Daniel Dubois.

 

[It's Too Big]

Honestly, does anybody miss the days of the super six at 168? I would have been interested to see how Canelo faired against those guys. Today's SMW division seems very short of talent.

 

[LondonSkylines]

Even though I scored it even, Canelo was investing early in the rounds he did lose (especially to the body). There was an air of inevitability imo. Credit where it's due to BJS, he did try and back Canelo up and gave it a go. In a way that Smith simply didn't.

I thought how Canelo negated the outside foot advantage to be very clever. Using his left to steer BJS onto Canelo's right. His feet aren't elite, but it really helped neutralize Saunder's advantages. That low left lean as a southpaw is such a terrible move; 101 - never play or walk into the power hand. Especially someone with as much dynamite as Canelo at close range.

 

[LondonSkylines]

I think Ward or Calzaghe give Canelo all sorts of bother at 168. Canelo is a generational talent, but the resistance at 168 isn't there. 175 is probably a more "stacked division", but don't Canelo has the size against a Beterbiev etc.

 

[BobDigi5060]

I feel Canelo gets beat if he drops back down to 160. Losing muscle mass will negatively effect anyone for that matter.

Andrade is a fool. Nobody wants to see that fight and he should know the business of Boxing by now. He needs to build his brand and hasn't yet!

 

[Dazl1212]

It is, going blind isn't worth it. BUT, at least the question I have anyway is does the fighter know that his orbital bone is broken when he bows out and how does he know? When GGG smashed Brooks' he'd already suffered the same injury previously in the other eye and remembered what the doctor told him but when it happened the first time he fought on for a few rounds until he just couldn't anymore.

The irony here is BJS after seeing Brook and Dubois take the knee gave it the big I am and said you don't quit no matter what, well of the three of them BJS is the only one who quit instantly and didn't even want to see if he could move around and stay out of the way in the 9th, the other two men came back out for the next round after suffering the injury and now BJS' first statement since the fight doesn't contain an apology for his earlier criticism of those men, the first thing he had to do here was withdraw his previous comments and apologise, he didn't do that.

Brook suffered his first broken eye socket against GGG, then against Spence the fight after in the other eye IIRC.

 

[46 Wins]

Brook suffered his first broken eye socket against GGG, then against Spence the fight after in the other eye IIRC.

Oh damn yeah I messed that up he came back down to defend against Spence Jr of course, I was very proud of Brook for that, he refused to vacate

 

[Dynamito]

It is, going blind isn't worth it. BUT, at least the question I have anyway is does the fighter know that his orbital bone is broken when he bows out and how does he know? When GGG smashed Brooks' he'd already suffered the same injury previously in the other eye and remembered what the doctor told him but when it happened the first time he fought on for a few rounds until he just couldn't anymore.

The irony here is BJS after seeing Brook and Dubois take the knee gave it the big I am and said you don't quit no matter what, well of the three of them BJS is the only one who quit instantly and didn't even want to see if he could move around and stay out of the way in the 9th, the other two men came back out for the next round after suffering the injury and now BJS' first statement since the fight doesn't contain an apology for his earlier criticism of those men, the first thing he had to do here was withdraw his previous comments and apologise, he didn't do that.

Well if we are going to criticise BJ Saunders. Then what about IFL TV... They had several videos of individuals after Dubois lost criticising him and calling him a quitter.

And now its video after video after video of people saying Billy was absolutely right to quit.

Ironically some of the same individuals who criticised Dubois..!

 

[46 Wins]

Well if we are going to criticise BJ Saunders. Then what about IFL TV... They had several videos of individuals after Dubois lost criticising him and calling him a quitter.

And now its video after video after video of people saying Billy was absolutely right to quit.

Ironically some of the same individuals who criticised Dubois..!

I do see the double standard from those who have spoken to IFL but they could simply argue now that they've seen their error and are consciously not making the same mistake this time as some of them did climb down once it was reported that DDD had suffered the fractures, Carl Frampton for example later said ah well if it's multiple fractures and could go blind... (something along those lines).

But I've heard some asking for proof that BJS suffered fractures, I remember Hearn asking about an X-ray for DDD but I'm not sure if that was ever forthcoming. For me that's too much, sure they could have went to hospital got x-rayed and then told that it's just bruising and swelling but the line has to be drawn somewhere so I'm satisfied with the boxer's word on it, I don't care to see medical records myself, if he quit because his eye was sore or closed I don't expect him to know at the time whether it's fractured or not I just expect him to hold his tongue in future when other's retire in the ring.

 

[Dynamito]

I do see the double standard from those who have spoken to IFL but they could simply argue now that they've seen their error and are consciously not making the same mistake this time as some of them did climb down once it was reported that DDD had suffered the fractures, Carl Frampton for example later said ah well if it's multiple fractures and could go blind... (something along those lines).

But I've heard some asking for proof that BJS suffered fractures, I remember Hearn asking about an X-ray for DDD but I'm not sure if that was ever forthcoming. For me that's too much, sure they could have went to hospital got x-rayed and then told that it's just bruising and swelling but the line has to be drawn somewhere so I'm satisfied with the boxer's word on it, I don't care to see medical records myself, if he quit because his eye was sore or closed I don't expect him to know at the time whether it's fractured or not I just expect him to hold his tongue in future when other's retire in the ring.

For me the double standard is of IFL TV and the line of questioning which always seem pro-matchroom.

The sooner a more professional outfit like Boxing Social takes over the better.

 

[LondonSkylines]

I said Dubois was right to "quit" because a broken orbital is life, nevermind career ruining. No boxer owes us their eyesight.

 

[lost]

If your have a break in your actual skull, stop fighting.
I can’t believe this is a debate or something anybody would be criticised for.

You do understand what your skull does, right? If a bit of your skull breaks off and you get punched in it, you’re going to wind up with little sharp bits of skull in your brain. Not great for your overall health that.

Saunders took one shot to the eye and it was swollen completely shut within about about a minute. It was absolutely obvious that was a very serious injury and sending him out would have been completely reckless.

I’m no BJS fan, he’s a bigot and a complete douche. But I don’t think you can fault him or his corner for not sending him out.

 

[Dynamito]

If your have a break in your actual skull, stop fighting.
I can't believe this is a debate or something anybody would be criticised for.

You do understand what your skull does, right? If a bit of your skull breaks off and you get punched in it, you're going to wind up with little sharp bits of skull in your brain. Not great for your overall health that.

Saunders took one shot to the eye and it was swollen completely shut within about about a minute. It was absolutely obvious that was a very serious injury and sending him out would have been completely reckless.

I'm no BJS fan, he's a bigot and a complete douche. But I don't think you can fault him or his corner for not sending him out.

The reason why Billy received a back lash has been covered.

https://www.checkhookboxing.com/ind...alvarez-ring-wbc-wba-vs-billy-joe-saunders-wbo-may-8th-2021.119441/post-4028299

 

[REDC]

Honestly, does anybody miss the days of the super six at 168? I would have been interested to see how Canelo faired against those guys. Today's SMW division seems very short of talent.

That's why he dropped back to it and decided to stick around. Too many challenges at LHW even though he weighs the same in the ring as those guys.

 

[REDC]

Let me once again revisit this response from you. So, he's cherry picking opponents, while those very opponents are champions in their own right having earned titles and their championship belts in the ring fighting against other opponents. Tell me, how is fighting a reigning champion "cherry picking"?

And why would those opponents not care about winning? They win, they are in for lucrative paydays and many more millions.

It's only sport after all????? Yes, while boxing is a sport, it is also how these men chose to make their living, and I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure with the last few fighters Canelo faced, being champions in their own right, weren't in it just for a quick payday and looking for a soft spot to land in the ring.

Oh, as for your cherry picking argument, this is the combined record of Canelo's last 10 opponents. 333-23-5 If that's what you consider cherry picking, I'd hate to see what you consider fighting very qualified opponents.

As if taking a fight to cash out and/or fighting just to survive is anything new under the sun.:rofl

 

[LondonSkylines]

That's why he dropped back to it and decided to stick around. Too many challenges at LHW even though he weighs the same in the ring as those guys.

I don't think Canelo has the size for a fully rehydrated Beterbiev, Smith Jr (though I reckon Canelo could beat him). He just isn't tall or big enough. Kovalev was giving him a fight, despite being absolutely punch-shot.

 

[Dazl1212]

Oh damn yeah I messed that up he came back down to defend against Spence Jr of course, I was very proud of Brook for that, he refused to vacate

Yeah and he gave a decent account of himself but that kind of injury has got to be really hard to comeback from both mentally and physically as BJS is about to find out.

 

[DynamicMoves]

Honestly, does anybody miss the days of the super six at 168? I would have been interested to see how Canelo faired against those guys. Today's SMW division seems very short of talent.

Imo Canelo decided to unify 168 because he saw a weak division. Charlo, GGG 3, Beterbiev, Bivol, and Benavidez are riskier than any titleholder at 168.

 

[Dynamito]

https://www.fightsports.tv/is-canelo-ducking-callum/

Canelo was apparently ducking Callum Smith.