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#61 ·
Pedderrs said:
An old, old Nishioka who hadn't fought in 12 months. A nothing win.
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A good win. Not great. But decent enough.

Prime Veeraphol Vs Nonito at 118; who ya' got?
 
#63 ·
LuckyLuke said:
When you have a certain level of power this style doesnt work very well.
Mares workrate would drop big time against Rigo.
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Unless you've got a great chin.

Mares doesn't.
 
#64 ·
Flea Man said:
A good win. Not great. But decent enough.

Prime Veeraphol Vs Nonito at 118; who ya' got?
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I can't think of one good reason to favour Nonito. Outside of the Montiel KO, he hasn't really impressed me above 115lbs. We've always talked about how good Donaire is offensively, and how quick he is, but he's never been terribly hard to hit; especially at these weights. Veeraphol shouldn't have terrible trouble timing his jab and right hands. Veeraphol has no punch resistances issues either, so he should be able to weather Nonito's good work when the time calls for it.

Love Veeraphol. He's like a mini Sumbu Kalambay the way he shoots out that jab.
 
#65 ·
Pedderrs said:
I can't think of one good reason to favour Nonito. Outside of the Montiel KO, he hasn't really impressed me above 115lbs. We've always talked about how good Donaire is offensively, and how quick he is, but he's never been terribly hard to hit; especially at these weights. Veeraphol shouldn't have terrible trouble timing his jab and right hands. Veeraphol has no punch resistances issues either, so he should be able to weather Nonito's good work when the time calls for it.

Love Veeraphol. He's like a mini Sumbu Kalambay the way he shoots out that jab.
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I absolutely love his right hand as well. He can use that as a jab, which is insane from an orthodox stance.

Very underrated operator. I have no doubt that without The Ring's bias to Western fighters he'd have been justifiably ranked as the best bantam of his era.

You reckon he'd have smoked Rafa?
 
#66 ·
Flea Man said:
I absolutely love his right hand as well. He can use that as a jab, which is insane from an orthodox stance.

Very underrated operator. I have no doubt that without The Ring's bias to Western fighters he'd have been justifiably ranked as the best bantam of his era.

You reckon he'd have smoked Rafa?
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I'm not sure on that one. I haven't seen a terrible amount of prime Rafa, but he always seemed like an unspectacular fighter to me whose limitations could often be masked by his hideous power. He wasn't blessed with the rock-hard durability that's often associated with Mexican fighters either. I wouldn't go as far to say he was chinny, but you could get to him.
 
#67 ·
Pedderrs said:
I'm not sure on that one. I haven't seen a terrible amount of prime Rafa, but he always seemed like an unspectacular fighter to me whose limitations could often be masked by his hideous power. He wasn't blessed with the rock-hard durability that's often associated with Mexican fighters either. I wouldn't go as far to say he was chinny, but you could get to him.
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Pretty good analysis really. He could take it, but wasn't impossible to hurt.

Nor was Veeraphol though. Sparked by Samson Dutchboy Gym, Konadu (was reckless against a BIG puncher admittedly and changed his style afterwards) and briefly rocked by a green Choi Tseveenpureev (who was a big puncher at fringe World class up to featherweight of course)

Only stopped in his first 5 fights and past his prime against Hasegawa who had just found his balance and power and went on a tear after that.
 
#68 ·
Considering his style against leftys I'd give Veeraphol a good chance against Rigo actually. Rigo has the amazing amateur background, Veeraphol the Muay Thai seasoning (ATG champ was Veeraphol) so both were top class very early on in their careers.

Sahaprom looked better against Chuvatana than Rigo did against Cordoba though :yep @Pedderrs
 
#70 ·
Pedderrs said:
Konadu was a fuckin' monster to be fighting in your fifth Pro fight. I don't care how many Muay Thai bouts you've had.

I thought he made it look pretty easy, brah. :conf
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He had Konadu down. He could've won had he not got too confident.

I thought the Chuvatana bout was closer. Still great stuff.
 
#71 ·
Flea Man said:
He had Konadu down. He could've won had he not got too confident.

I thought the Chuvatana bout was closer. Still great stuff.
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Indeed. One of been one of his best wins had he pulled it off.

I suppose I could watch it again, but Chuvatana looked like he'd lost the fight himself. A fighter who is comfortable with how things are going doesn't repeatedly stand stationary in the middle of the ring, calling in his opponent. He was getting outboxed, in my opinion, and he had no answers. He was frustrated.
 
#72 ·
Pedderrs said:
Indeed. One of been one of his best wins had he pulled it off.

I suppose I could watch it again, but Chuvatana looked like he'd lost the fight himself. A fighter who is comfortable with how things are going, doesn't repeatedly stop dead in frustration and call the opponent in. He was getting outboxed, in my opinion, and he had no answers.
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Again says a lot for Veeraphol's prowess at that stage.

He was an unknown to boxing fans, but a bigger star than Daorung already in their homeland.
 
#74 ·
Zopilote said:
Are you trying to say that Nonito was only great at weight classes where he had a ridiculous size advantage over his opponents?
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Was his performances at 122 as good as his performances were at 112-118?

bballchump11 said:
oh what great hindsight. You weren't saying this before the fight. It took a bossass nicca like me to come by and open people's eyes on the schooling that was about to happen :deal
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Really? Why don't find my quotes where I said Rigo was going to get KTFO? Fuck off cunt.

Flea Man said:
Nishioka might well have blasted Mares
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Perhaps the time when he beat Johnny but at the time he beat Rafael, I couldn't see that happening.
 
#75 ·
I get the sense some people are seeing the split decision for on Boxrec and assuming you can make a case for Cordoba winning the fight, when really I don't think you can. Rigo clearly won it comfortably.
 
#76 ·
rjjfan said:
Was his performances at 122 as good as his performances were at 112-118?

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No they weren't, but then again, his opponents at 122lbs weren't at such a ridiculous size disadvantage than his opponents at the lower weights...Give him a bunch of blown up Flyweights at 122lbs, and he'll look spectacular.

I give him props for the Darchinyan and Montiel wins tho, because they at least proved to be somewhat effective above their prime weights.
 
#78 ·
Zopilote said:
No they weren't, but then again, his opponents at 122lbs weren't at such a ridiculous size disadvantage than his opponents at the lower weights...Give him a bunch of blown up Flyweights at 122lbs, and he'll look spectacular.

I give him props for the Darchinyan and Montiel wins tho, because they at least proved to be somewhat effective above their prime weights.
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So he was less effective at 122 than at 118. We agree.
 
#80 ·
rjjfan said:
Was his performances at 122 as good as his performances were at 112-118?

Really? Why don't find my quotes where I said Rigo was going to get KTFO? Fuck off cunt.

Perhaps the time when he beat Johnny but at the time he beat Rafael, I couldn't see that happening.
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you mad :lol:
 
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