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wtf is this supposed to mean? you said lara is boring to watch...i pointed out he was in one of the most exciting fights in recent years against a credible opponent, which, by the way is something ggg has yet to see. clearly lara is capable of producing VERY exciting fights just like any other fighter in the right circumstances.
If he's getting battered, yes. Otherwise, no.
 
lol...so, because a buncha morons disagree with me i'm wrong? explain what it is exactly i'm wrong about.
If everyone else is seemingly wrong, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.
 
Ok then, let's break down your n00b posting.

This is a trip...the best fighter at 154
That would be Canelo or, really, Floyd. So within 9 words you're off to a bad start.

challenges the supposed uncrowned champ at 160 and posters on this forum want to cry foul.
Where? People just don't think it will happen as HBO won't want it and no-one really thinks Lara will last the distance and brings nothing to the table in terms of legacy at 160 or money

at least lara is willing to do something ggg is not willing to do....that's move up in weight and actually take on a real challenge.
Lot of talk by Lara but it hasn't actually happened

ggg and his camp are a joke...won't even talk about andre ward
I'm a grown up so I couldn't give a shit about GGG's camp or what they say, I'm not a 14 year old girl. What I care about is what GGG says, and he has been clear on this, he will be open to fighting Ward in 18-24 months once he's cleaned out middle.

...challenging fmj. so, you a mw, and you want to challenge a ww? yeah, real big man.
Floyd is a unified champ at LMW, but let's not mention that, eh?

how about moving up ONE weight class and fighting ward "hell no, that's unfair!..." but fmi should jump up TWO weight classes when floyd STARTED AT SFW? the cowardliness of ggg and his fans is spectacular.
See posts above, and get out of here with the SFW shit, he was a young man cutting, WW is his natural weight, he has competed at LMW and dominated and other ATGs have climbed higher than this from their natural weight. I don't think Floyd needs to take the GGG fight, but it's not like it can't be asked of him and it would be great for boxing.

fight lara! he's the best at 154. he's willing to jump to 160.
:lol: come on son

stop picking on willie monroes and danny geales and adamas and martin murrays. fight somebody with some actual world championship caliber skill.
Ok so Geale was a unified world champion and Ring No 2. Lots of people thought Murray had beat the lineal champion and he'd drawn against another champion as well as being huge and never before stopped.

but we already know it's not gonna happen. ggg has been fighting at the level he has for the last 10 fights for a reason...that reason is called kassim ouma. ouma gave ggg an absolute war and exposed him. and this was over the hill ouma coming off a losing streak.
And to finish this is like something I'd expect off someone with a head trauma. The reason GGG hasn't fought any p4pers is there are none at 160 and when there has been they have refused to fight him. Martinez - refused. N'Dam-refused. Sturm-refused. Quillin-refused. Cotto-refused. There are more. And fucking Ouma exposing him? :lol: You are the first person in recorded history to say this I think.
 
Ok then, let's break down your n00b posting.
don't know why you would refer to me as a noob....if it's because i recently joined this forum, i would seriously question your intelligence..

That would be Canelo or, really, Floyd. So within 9 words you're off to a bad start.
you're saying this because floyd has fought at jmw and beaten the top guys...not because he's an actual jmw. just like rjj fought at hw when he was actually a lhw or chad dawson moved down to smw even though he was actually a lhw. there's a distinction between COMPETING at a certain weight class and actually BELONGING to that weight class. don't get it twisted. i know the judges scored the fight for canelo, but the majority of the boxing world, including canelo's own network saw lara as the clear winner...canelo got the decision basically because he's an hbo marquee name who brings a lot more money and fans than lara. if you ksab i wouldn't have to explain that to you.

Where? People just don't think it will happen as HBO won't want it and no-one really thinks Lara will last the distance and brings nothing to the table in terms of legacy at 160 or money
this is what i mean when i say you're fulla shit. you're telling me you didn't see all the posts from ggg fans who are rationalizing why ggg shouldn't fight lara? you haven't heard them say shit like "lara is boring so it wouldn't make money" "lara ran from canelo so he doesn't deserve another big fight" "lara has nothing to offer ggg because he fights at 154" and all the other lame-ass rationalizations? come on, dude...it's clear that ggg fans and ggg's management are against the idea of a lara fight...and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

Lot of talk by Lara but it hasn't actually happened
how's it gonna happen if ggg is ducking him?

look here, fella...it's a FACT that lara has challenged ggg a number of times. it's also a fact that K2 has REFUSED laras' challenge! i'm not making that shit up. they said the reason they didn't want the fight is because lara fights at 154...BUT THEY WOULD FIGHT FLOYD AT 154! isn't their strategy obvious to you? they want to fight a NATURAL small ww..but not a natural jmw.

but more to the point, these same dudes who want damn near 40 year old ww to move up TWO weight classes, they themselves REFUSED TO MOVE UP ONE WEIGHT CLASS to fight ward. that's not my opinion....it's fact! they said it themselves, so quit with the bullshit.

and obviously you didn't see the ouma fight...so what i'll do for you is this...i'll post the.link for you...right here...sit back and enjoy...then after you watched it, come back and tell me how ggg wasn't exposed by an over-the-hill ouma who was basically on his last legs.


and as far as danny geale goes, i'm not saying he's a bad fighter...he did beat adamat:lol: ....but didnt he lose to barker and mundine:lol:? martin murray fought a crippled sergio.

i think part of your problem is, you come to this room with the same people and they say the same things allt he time and you get into a kind of groupthink...so when somebody new has a viewpoint you never heard your first reaction is "that's ridiculous...i never heard anybody else say that before"...doesn't make you look good.
 
don't know why you would refer to me as a noob....if it's because i recently joined this forum, i would seriously question your intelligence..

you're saying this because floyd has fought at jmw and beaten the top guys...not because he's an actual jmw. just like rjj fought at hw when he was actually a lhw or chad dawson moved down to smw even though he was actually a lhw. there's a distinction between COMPETING at a certain weight class and actually BELONGING to that weight class. don't get it twisted. i know the judges scored the fight for canelo, but the majority of the boxing world, including canelo's own network saw lara as the clear winner...canelo got the decision basically because he's an hbo marquee name who brings a lot more money and fans than lara. if you ksab i wouldn't have to explain that to you.

this is what i mean when i say you're fulla shit. you're telling me you didn't see all the posts from ggg fans who are rationalizing why ggg shouldn't fight lara? you haven't heard them say shit like "lara is boring so it wouldn't make money" "lara ran from canelo so he doesn't deserve another big fight" "lara has nothing to offer ggg because he fights at 154" and all the other lame-ass rationalizations? come on, dude...it's clear that ggg fans and ggg's management are against the idea of a lara fight...and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

how's it gonna happen if ggg is ducking him?

look here, fella...it's a FACT that lara has challenged ggg a number of times. it's also a fact that K2 has REFUSED laras' challenge! i'm not making that shit up. they said the reason they didn't want the fight is because lara fights at 154...BUT THEY WOULD FIGHT FLOYD AT 154! isn't their strategy obvious to you? they want to fight a NATURAL small ww..but not a natural jmw.

but more to the point, these same dudes who want damn near 40 year old ww to move up TWO weight classes, they themselves REFUSED TO MOVE UP ONE WEIGHT CLASS to fight ward. that's not my opinion....it's fact! they said it themselves, so quit with the bullshit.

and obviously you didn't see the ouma fight...so what i'll do for you is this...i'll post the.link for you...right here...sit back and enjoy...then after you watched it, come back and tell me how ggg wasn't exposed by an over-the-hill ouma who was basically on his last legs.


and as far as danny geale goes, i'm not saying he's a bad fighter...he did beat adamat:lol: ....but didnt he lose to barker and mundine:lol:? martin murray fought a crippled sergio.

i think part of your problem is, you come to this room with the same people and they say the same things allt he time and you get into a kind of groupthink...so when somebody new has a viewpoint you never heard your first reaction is "that's ridiculous...i never heard anybody else say that before"...doesn't make you look good.
No, it's the way you express your opinions...which aren't exactly radical by the way, there are a fair few 'tards just like you already on this forum.
 
lara-angulo was aruably the fight of the year...so, to say lara doesn't make exciting fights is stupid.

secondly, lara clearly beat canelo....only a canelo diehard fan or a hater would deny that.

thirdly, when somebody who dksab says "lara doesn't deserve to fight so and so because he's boring" i can easily forgive them because i know they're speaking out of ignorance. but when people who claim to be knowledgeable about boxing make those types of comments, what i hear is: "i'm scared shitless that lara will beat my guy, so i need to pull some bullshit reason to rationalize why my guy should avoid him..." and especially when these same fans give all kinds of love to wlad klitchsko who is up there with john ruiz and chris byrd as one of the most incredibly boring fighters to watch...of all time.
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/opi...lit-in-boxing-media-on-who-won-the-saul-canelo-alvarez-erislandy-lara-showdown/

34 media scorers had the fight to Canelo

30 Lara

And 25 scored it a draw

Doesn't sound like a clear win to either fighter but more like a close fight that could go either way.
 
don't know why you would refer to me as a noob....if it's because i recently joined this forum, i would seriously question your intelligence..

you're saying this because floyd has fought at jmw and beaten the top guys...not because he's an actual jmw. just like rjj fought at hw when he was actually a lhw or chad dawson moved down to smw even though he was actually a lhw. there's a distinction between COMPETING at a certain weight class and actually BELONGING to that weight class. don't get it twisted. i know the judges scored the fight for canelo, but the majority of the boxing world, including canelo's own network saw lara as the clear winner...canelo got the decision basically because he's an hbo marquee name who brings a lot more money and fans than lara. if you ksab i wouldn't have to explain that to you.
That is the weakest shit I ever heard :lol: You can be the number 1 in a weight class but not belong there :lol: How convenient!

this is what i mean when i say you're fulla shit. you're telling me you didn't see all the posts from ggg fans who are rationalizing why ggg shouldn't fight lara? you haven't heard them say shit like "lara is boring so it wouldn't make money" "lara ran from canelo so he doesn't deserve another big fight" "lara has nothing to offer ggg because he fights at 154" and all the other lame-ass rationalizations? come on, dude...it's clear that ggg fans and ggg's management are against the idea of a lara fight...and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.
It's not rationalising, it's the truth, you just don't want to hear it. Lara has no chance with GGG, none. He's the number 3 LMW and has been dropped and hurt before at that weight and you want to say he has a chance with GGG? And who's going to put the money up? If HBO want it, it happens, if they don't, it doesn't. GGG isn't running from Lara ffs :lol:

how's it gonna happen if ggg is ducking him?

look here, fella...it's a FACT that lara has challenged ggg a number of times. it's also a fact that K2 has REFUSED laras' challenge! i'm not making that shit up. they said the reason they didn't want the fight is because lara fights at 154...BUT THEY WOULD FIGHT FLOYD AT 154! isn't their strategy obvious to you? they want to fight a NATURAL small ww..but not a natural jmw.
Lara has done shit to make it happen and in his big break stank the joint out. Floyd is a better 154 lber than Lara anyway, so you want them to fight the number 3 but not the number 1?

but more to the point, these same dudes who want damn near 40 year old ww to move up TWO weight classes, they themselves REFUSED TO MOVE UP ONE WEIGHT CLASS to fight ward. that's not my opinion....it's fact! they said it themselves, so quit with the bullshit.
None of what you said is fact, maybe learn what fact is. There's no they, it's about GGG not his team. He said he'd move up in about 2 years when he's cleaned out middle, he's also said he will come down to the weight Floyd is a unified champion at to fight him, again you've ignored that from my previous post as it doesn't suit your agenda

and obviously you didn't see the ouma fight...so what i'll do for you is this...i'll post the.link for you...right here...sit back and enjoy...then after you watched it,
come back and tell me how ggg wasn't exposed by an over-the-hill ouma who was basically on his last legs.

Of course I've seen it, he was in no way exposed, do you even know what it means? :lol:

and as far as danny geale goes, i'm not saying he's a bad fighter...he did beat adamat:lol: ....but didnt he lose to barker and mundine:lol:? martin murray fought a crippled sergio.
Geale beat Sturm and if Murray was beating a crippled Sergio I assume you bet big on Murray then? Or is this some Captain Hindsight bullshit?

i think part of your problem is, you come to this room with the same people and they say the same things allt he time and you get into a kind of groupthink...so when somebody new has a viewpoint you never heard your first reaction is "that's ridiculous...i never heard anybody else say that before"...doesn't make you look good.
No, what you're saying is ridiculous and this has been pointed out by much more knowledgeable posters than me as well. You just have some weird agenda against GGG that I can probably work out but whatever
 
that was three or four fights ago...since then lara beat trout, canelo and smith...lara went the distance with canelo and outboxed him over 12 and didn't get dropped once. and canelo is one of the most dangerous punchers in the world and a favorite to beat ggg. that proves lara would beat ggg.
So Lara having a toughie 3 fights ago is less relevant than Gennady "struggling" with Ouma 13 fights ago?

And your second last point is just retarded.
 
That is the weakest shit I ever heard :lol: You can be the number 1 in a weight class but not belong there :lol: How convenient!

It's not rationalising, it's the truth, you just don't want to hear it. Lara has no chance with GGG, none. He's the number 3 LMW and has been dropped and hurt before at that weight and you want to say he has a chance with GGG? And who's going to put the money up? If HBO want it, it happens, if they don't, it doesn't. GGG isn't running from Lara ffs :lol:

Lara has done shit to make it happen and in his big break stank the joint out. Floyd is a better 154 lber than Lara anyway, so you want them to fight the number 3 but not the number 1?

None of what you said is fact, maybe learn what fact is. There's no they, it's about GGG not his team. He said he'd move up in about 2 years when he's cleaned out middle, he's also said he will come down to the weight Floyd is a unified champion at to fight him, again you've ignored that from my previous post as it doesn't suit your agenda

Of course I've seen it, he was in no way exposed, do you even know what it means? :lol:

Geale beat Sturm and if Murray was beating a crippled Sergio I assume you bet big on Murray then? Or is this some Captain Hindsight bullshit?

No, what you're saying is ridiculous and this has been pointed out by much more knowledgeable posters than me as well. You just have some weird agenda against GGG that I can probably work out but whatever
awww...you're just a huge ggg fan....dude you shoulda just said so to begin with and we would never have had this debate...i don't argue with fanboys.
 
http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/opi...lit-in-boxing-media-on-who-won-the-saul-canelo-alvarez-erislandy-lara-showdown/

34 media scorers had the fight to Canelo

30 Lara

And 25 scored it a draw

Doesn't sound like a clear win to either fighter but more like a close fight that could go either way.
more revisionist bullshit...peoples memories are short...but the fact is, this was considered one of the worst decisions of the year when it was annnounced and a clear robbery in favor of the fan favorite. even harold lederman and the hbo crew who normally openly and shamelessly biased toward canelo had their boy losing.

boxing politics at its best/worst

25 draws tells me a lotta people were giving somebody the benefit of every close round.
 
awww...you're just a huge ggg fan....dude you shoulda just said so to begin with and we would never have had this debate...i don't argue with fanboys.
You mean you have no riposte basically. You have been shown up in this thread
 
more revisionist bullshit...peoples memories are short...but the fact is, this was considered one of the worst decisions of the year when it was annnounced and a clear robbery in favor of the fan favorite. even harold lederman and the hbo crew who normally openly and shamelessly biased toward canelo had their boy losing.

boxing politics at its best/worst

25 draws tells me a lotta people were giving somebody the benefit of every close round.
No it wasn't. THIS is revisionist bullshit.
 
more revisionist bullshit...peoples memories are short...but the fact is, this was considered one of the worst decisions of the year when it was annnounced and a clear robbery in favor of the fan favorite. even harold lederman and the hbo crew who normally openly and shamelessly biased toward canelo had their boy losing.

boxing politics at its best/worst

25 draws tells me a lotta people were giving somebody the benefit of every close round.
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/348075-ring-poll-result-alvarez-lara-fight-was-very-close
The 115-113 score for Alvarez received the highest percentage of votes (33.22 percent) as of Tuesday evening, followed by 115-113 for Lara (28.23 percent) and a draw (15.23).

A 116-112 score for Alvarez was next (9.55 percent), followed by 116-112 for Lara (5.77 percent), 117-111 for Alvarez (3.01 perecent), “other†(3.00 percent) and 117-111 for Lara (2.07 percent).

1,162 readers had voted.
 
more revisionist bullshit...peoples memories are short...but the fact is, this was considered one of the worst decisions of the year when it was annnounced and a clear robbery in favor of the fan favorite. even harold lederman and the hbo crew who normally openly and shamelessly biased toward canelo had their boy losing.

boxing politics at its best/worst

25 draws tells me a lotta people were giving somebody the benefit of every close round.
Those scorecards came out just after the fight this isn't a new article.

Every boxing forum had mixed opinions yes some claimed robbery but there was just as many claiming Canelo won or a draw.
 
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