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Does Jack Dempsey Stop Joe Frazier?

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Frazier could lead and double up with with more power shots shots than almost any any fighter i can think of. In his prime Frazier could unload and land accurately at any range. He punched as he came in, taking away space and forcing the other guy into reacting or being overwhelmed with pressure. It appeared that Frazier was starting slow but he wasn't really. What he did was press the guy without punching to see how he would react, force more work out of him so that he would be more tired when Frazier wanted to step things up once he found his range and set his rhythm to correspond to the other guys reactions. Once he got going Frazier could get off with his hooks as easy as most boxers can land jabs. It was a devestating experience for anyone faced with a prime Frazier.

Does Dempsey stop this man? It is a hell of a fight. Frazier was hitting world class after 10 or so fights and was talented enough to live with it. Dempsey fought so often and had that much experience at a comparatively young age I think he might have been ready for whatever Frazier had in store for him. Dempsey was razor dharp and could maul and turn Frazier inside and beat him to the draw on the outside. Dempsey would not panic if he were crowded because he relished the tighter mauling work that was different to the conventional freehanded inside work of Frazier. Dempsey could tangle himself with one hand and work the blind side and alternate one free hand at a time. He could work a clinch because he had more experience. He put giants over with one free hand within a clinch so Dempsey is capable of stopping Frazier. its not impossible.

I think Dempsey can make an impresion on Frazier before he gets overwhelmed. If he doesn't frazier takes him apart. I think Dempsey deserves an edge. I expect Frazier to win 4 out of ten. Both can stop each other.
 
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choklab said:
I think Dempsey can make an impresion on Frazier before he gets overwhelmed. If he doesn't frazier takes him apart. I think Dempsey deserves an edge. I expect Frazier to win 4 out of ten. Both can stop each other.
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So you favour Dempsey?
 
#6 ·
No. A great part of Dempsey's mystique is built on deflating giant dirigibles... Fulton, Willard, Firpo... Smaller fellers did better. The only guy who was even close to Frazier in style and equal in excellence was Langford. Dempsey didn't even want to get in the same room with a shot version of Sam.

Frazier wins 10 out of 10... all by KO.
 
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No I dont think Dempsey was crude at all. I think he's susceptible to certain styles but thats not even the case here. I just rate frazier very highly and think that within a certain size range hes darn near unbeatable in his prime. I think that Dempsey would have a surprisingly hard time landing consistently on Frazier and that after five rounds Dempsey would fade and Frazier run him ragged.
 
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Klompton said:
No I dont think Dempsey was crude at all. I think he's susceptible to certain styles but thats not even the case here. I just rate frazier very highly and think that within a certain size range hes darn near unbeatable in his prime. I think that Dempsey would have a surprisingly hard time landing consistently on Frazier and that after five rounds Dempsey would fade and Frazier run him ragged.
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Good post Not high on JD right now sowwww
 
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turbotime said:
So you favour Dempsey?
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Yes I think Dempsey deserves the edge on experience. Both could beat the other but the way Frazier struggled mauling with Bonevenna inside makes me think he could have nightmares with Jack. People will say oscar was stronger and bigger than Jack but thats not why Dempsey would be more effective inside. Dempsey was more effective inside because he was a much better fighter than oscar. An instictive fighter with ring sence. Fast hands. More power. Frazier never met anyone like that. Dont get me wrong, prime Frazier could still kill jack but Dempsey has every chance of doing the same. Dempsey has the edge on experience. I dont buy that crap about d list fighters of the 1960s would have reigned supreme in the 1920s because trainers in the 1920s who remembered the 1920s never said that. Dempsey fought in a good period.
 
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Klompton said:
No I dont think Dempsey was crude at all. I think he's susceptible to certain styles but thats not even the case here. I just rate frazier very highly and think that within a certain size range hes darn near unbeatable in his prime. I think that Dempsey would have a surprisingly hard time landing consistently on Frazier and that after five rounds Dempsey would fade and Frazier run him ragged.
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I agree.

The thing I just don't see Dempsey doing well is absorbing to the breadbasket. He takes it to the head much better, but I think Joe's bodywork does him in. It'd serve Dempsey better if this opponent was a headhunter.

I just think Jack slows down or shows the effects early of the body punishment. Like before the 5th round. Then, he has no bag of tricks or anything to turn to to keep him in there against this guy. And nobody ever had to tell Smokin Joe what to do when he got a guy ready to go.

Still, the Dempsey competitive nature would likely seeing him trying to trade even on his way out. It'd be exciting all the way and even if he wins, Joe will dig deep himself at some point during the bout.
 
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Nah, can't see it happening. Obviously Dempsey punched like a motherfucker, but as Klompton has already stated, I don't believe Dempsey would be landing consistently enough. Frazier's recuperative abilities and solid chin would allow him to see it out, in my opinion.

It's Dempsey that would have to worry about being stopped.
 
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not even a chance... frazier was better in every department except maybe feet speed, he was bigger,more compact, heavier, stronger, more skilled, better body puncher, his bobbing and weaving was better, he had a better left hook than dempsey, more heart,he proved his chin against much greater fighters than dempsey did, not even foreman could stop frazier for the 10 count, no fighter in the history under 200 pounds would beat smokin joe frazier and yes marciano included. frazier would eat dempsey alive.
 
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