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#45 ·
Bogotazo said:
There's plenty in UFC you get in terms of styles that you don't get in boxing, for sure. But I think the casual MMA fan just wants to see blood and isn't hard to impress.
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The casual MMA fan just wants to see top fighters throwing down against each other in competitive, pick 'em matches. Not top fighters avoiding each other for years while taking on a succession of pointless squash matches whose only purpose is to pad and inflate one guy's record.

It's funny how the boxing snobs organize their twin complaints about MMA.

1) There's no technique! It just looks like two drunks scrapping outside a bar! The casual fan just wants to see blood and violence, they don't give a fuck about skills or technique!

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2) It's boring, all they do is roll on the ground! Who wants to see that shit?

How do you reconcile those two critiques? :lol:

And as far as the casual fan goes, the fighter who made the most of a name for himself last weekend was Khabib Nurmagomedov. Whose fight was an absolute mauling on the ground, and who impressed the casuals as being a terrifying monster. :lol:



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Haggis said:
The casual MMA fan just wants to see top fighters throwing down against each other in competitive, pick 'em matches. Not top fighters avoiding each other for years while taking on a succession of pointless squash matches whose only purpose is to pad and inflate one guy's record.

It's funny how the boxing snobs organize their twin complaints about MMA.

1) There's no technique! It just looks like two drunks scrapping outside a bar! The casual fan just wants to see blood and violence, they don't give a fuck about skills or technique!

or:

2) It's boring, all they do is roll on the ground! Who wants to see that shit?

How do you reconcile those two critiques? :lol:

And as far as the casual fan goes, the fighter who made the most of a name for himself last weekend was Khabib Nurmagomedov. Whose fight was an absolute mauling on the ground, and who impressed the casuals as being a terrifying monster. :lol:



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Haggis, their hand technique is not anywhere the level of pro boxers. Period. I've done both with some pretty decent pro fighters. Heard of Jackson Wink? My city has put out loads of champions in boxing and MMA. Even MMA fighters will tell that their hand striking isn't on the level of high level boxers, and guess what, that's okay. No one is saying MMA is some piece of shit product, it's not, I respect it, I watch it. I'd just rather watch a boxing match and guess what, that's fine.
 
#47 ·
There's not been a boxing card or UFC card in my part of the world in ages, but just from watching them on TV, it seems the UFC cards do draw a hell of a lot more folks to them. Even my wife commented that she couldn't believe the amount of people in many of those auditoriums when they do a pan shot of the crowd.

Sometimes the UFC fights can get a bit on the boring side, but considering most of them are only 3 rounds and they are out the cage, it is bearable. As a long time boxing fan I prefer the standup art of fighting that it showcases and not all the BJJ, two sweaty guys on the mat looking like they are having a bromance.

Also as a boxing first fan, I find most UFC fighters aren't all that good at the striking aspect of their sport. To hear people say the Diaz brothers are great strikers just floors me since any journeyman boxer would eat their lunch. But if they got the boxer on the ground, my money would be on them.
 
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gumbo2176 said:
There's not been a boxing card or UFC card in my part of the world in ages, but just from watching them on TV, it seems the UFC cards do draw a hell of a lot more folks to them. Even my wife commented that she couldn't believe the amount of people in many of those auditoriums when they do a pan shot of the crowd.

Sometimes the UFC fights can get a bit on the boring side, but considering most of them are only 3 rounds and they are out the cage, it is bearable. As a long time boxing fan I prefer the standup art of fighting that it showcases and not all the BJJ, two sweaty guys on the mat looking like they are having a bromance.

Also as a boxing first fan, I find most UFC fighters aren't all that good at the striking aspect of their sport. To hear people say the Diaz brothers are great strikers just floors me since any journeyman boxer would eat their lunch. But if they got the boxer on the ground, my money would be on them.
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I don't think the two sports need to be at odds with each other. It's not like they both have multiple events per week. If boxing were as healthy as MMA, you'd be able to string together 4-5 very nice combat sports cards per month. They really ought to be sharing a demographic, but being a boxing fan requires patience that a lot of people don't care to exercise. There's a reason boxing skews so much older.
 
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I don't know man, every time I see an MMA match it just seems like a sloppy striking plus wresltin match with kicking thrown in there.

I mean it's like if they suddenly added a soccer goal and a field goal post to a basket ball court and made a new sport where you allow two teams to score anyway they want.

You're gonna see some sloppy ass dribbling and shooting, and some sloppy ass kicking. That's what MMA is to me.

I understand its maturing and technique is getting better but I'd much rather see two guys that trained on one thing and have mastered it.
 
#51 ·
Pedrin1787 said:
I don't know man, every time I see an MMA match it just seems like a sloppy striking plus wresltin match with kicking thrown in there.

I mean it's like if they suddenly added a soccer goal and a field goal post to a basket ball court and made a new sport where you allow two teams to score anyway they want.

You're gonna see some sloppy ass dribbling and shooting, and some sloppy ass kicking. That's what MMA is to me.

I understand its maturing and technique is getting better but I'd much rather see two guys that trained on one thing and have mastered it.
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It's because many of these guys train in multiple disciplines whereas boxers focus on one thing. It allows them to become specialists. In MMA, specialists, like wrestlers, BJJ guys have to learn other disciplines. It's not a specialist discipline, it's more of a jack of all trades deal. Which is cool.
 
#52 ·
Mrboogie23 said:
It's because many of these guys train in multiple disciplines whereas boxers focus on one thing. It allows them to become specialists. In MMA, specialists, like wrestlers, BJJ guys have to learn other disciplines. It's not a specialist discipline, it's more of a jack of all trades deal. Which is cool.
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Yep, I respect them for that, and I can see why that's exciting for some people to watch.

But me, I'll take two guys getting in there with only their fists and seeing what they can do to come out on top.
 
#54 ·
Mrboogie23 said:
Haggis, their hand technique is not anywhere the level of pro boxers. Period.
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Hand technique of the current HW champion:
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Hand technique of the last HW champion, a HW ATG who reigned for a decade:

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Ah, I'm just fuckin' with ya. :lol:

No shit that MMA fighter's punches aren't as evolved as boxer's. You realize that people aren't watching MMA just for the punching? Or that the very nature of the sport requires a completely different set of punching skills and techniques that boxing fans almost always completely dismiss? Floyd puts on masterclasses in the ring, but how much do you think his lean-back shoulder roll technique is worth when Jose Aldo can simply kick his lead leg into bolivian? Every punching-focused fighter in MMA has to deal with that and retool his entire punching technique - from the most basic fundamentals up - accordingly. Boxing snobs might scoff at and ridicule Wonderboy's hands-by-his-waist, feet-miles-apart style, but in pure fighting terms it's better than any boxer's style because it doesn't assume that his opponent's skillset is so limited.

And it's not like every boxing match is some technical masterclass. Far from it. Most boxing matches are pretty sloppy, and there's an unfortunate epidemic of blatant mismatches. Nothing worse than a 10 round undercard fight between two guys you've never heard of and don't give a fuck about, where two rounds into the fight you can see that one guy doesn't have the skill or heart to win rounds, and the other guy doesn't have the power or will to KO him.

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No one is saying MMA is some piece of shit product, it's not, I respect it, I watch it. I'd just rather watch a boxing match and guess what, that's fine.
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Plenty of boxing snobs cry all day about how worthless MMA is. :lol: Although to be fair it's generally not routinely dismissed as a soon-to-disappear fad any more, as the last few years have seen it explode WAY past that point.

I'd rather watch an MMA card anyday, and I used to be a hardcore boxing fan. Because I know when I tune into the UFC, I'll see top contenders fighting each other. I'll see fights of actual divisional significance on the undercard. And the prelims will be full of 50/50 fights where the booking isn't "We need someone for the kid to look good against, bring in some 5-13, 42 year old part-time fighter so he can get another bullshit KO and run his record to a sweet 18-0." :good

How many fight fans watch every fight in a boxing card? Only the REAL hardcores, because why would you bother? 95% of the time you just look at their records and know at a glance who is going to win. Because the fight has been booked not for a good sporting contest for the fans, but specifically for one of them to win it and pad his record.

How many MMA fans watch all 10 fights in a UFC PPV? Plenty, and why? Because the matchmaking is fantastic, and almost every fight is competitive on paper and features two guys who are actually here to win the fight, and who are hungry to move up a level. Like it should be - but isn't in boxing. :good

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Pedrin1787 said:
I don't know man, every time I see an MMA match it just seems like a sloppy striking plus wresltin match with kicking thrown in there.

I mean it's like if they suddenly added a soccer goal and a field goal post to a basket ball court and made a new sport where you allow two teams to score anyway they want.

You're gonna see some sloppy ass dribbling and shooting, and some sloppy ass kicking. That's what MMA is to me.

I understand its maturing and technique is getting better but I'd much rather see two guys that trained on one thing and have mastered it.
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It's a fight. It's not a "new sport." And there are plenty of world-class strikers competing in MMA. Plus, there's nothing like an evenly-matched fight between two guys who are capable everywhere the fight goes, where they have a good fight that flows naturally all over the cage as each guy searches for anywhere that he might have an advantage. :good

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Haggis said:
Hand technique of the current HW champion:
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Hand technique of the last HW champion, a HW ATG who reigned for a decade:

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Ah, I'm just fuckin' with ya. :lol:

No shit that MMA fighter's punches aren't as evolved as boxer's. You realize that people aren't watching MMA just for the punching? Or that the very nature of the sport requires a completely different set of punching skills and techniques that boxing fans almost always completely dismiss? Floyd puts on masterclasses in the ring, but how much do you think his lean-back shoulder roll technique is worth when Jose Aldo can simply kick his lead leg into bolivian? Every punching-focused fighter in MMA has to deal with that and retool his entire punching technique - from the most basic fundamentals up - accordingly. Boxing snobs might scoff at and ridicule Wonderboy's hands-by-his-waist, feet-miles-apart style, but in pure fighting terms it's better than any boxer's style because it doesn't assume that his opponent's skillset is so limited.

And it's not like every boxing match is some technical masterclass. Far from it. Most boxing matches are pretty sloppy, and there's an unfortunate epidemic of blatant mismatches. Nothing worse than a 10 round undercard fight between two guys you've never heard of and don't give a fuck about, where two rounds into the fight you can see that one guy doesn't have the skill or heart to win rounds, and the other guy doesn't have the power or will to KO him.

Plenty of boxing snobs cry all day about how worthless MMA is. :lol: Although to be fair it's generally not routinely dismissed as a soon-to-disappear fad any more, as the last few years have seen it explode WAY past that point.

I'd rather watch an MMA card anyday, and I used to be a hardcore boxing fan. Because I know when I tune into the UFC, I'll see top contenders fighting each other. I'll see fights of actual divisional significance on the undercard. And the prelims will be full of 50/50 fights where the booking isn't "We need someone for the kid to look good against, bring in some 5-13, 42 year old part-time fighter so he can get another bullshit KO and run his record to a sweet 18-0." :good

How many fight fans watch every fight in a boxing card? Only the REAL hardcores, because why would you bother? 95% of the time you just look at their records and know at a glance who is going to win. Because the fight has been booked not for a good sporting contest for the fans, but specifically for one of them to win it and pad his record.

How many MMA fans watch all 10 fights in a UFC PPV? Plenty, and why? Because the matchmaking is fantastic, and almost every fight is competitive on paper and features two guys who are actually here to win the fight, and who are hungry to move up a level. Like it should be - but isn't in boxing. :good

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I agree with the idea of your post broski. Just saying for me personally, I'd rather watch boxing. I'm a hand striking snob. Greg Jackson used to use my brother to tool up wrestlers that wanted to go in and think they were tough guys but couldn't throw a punch to save their lives. My family is a bunch of boxers first but we all messed with MMA. I like MMA, I genuinely do, just would rather watch a proper left hook from boxer.

Not that a dope take down with some ground and pound, or some sly ass rolling and submission is any less entertaining, I enjoy that stuff too, but for me, the boxer is a thing of beauty. (A good one anyway.)
 
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Haggis said:
It's a fight. It's not a "new sport." And there are plenty of world-class strikers competing in MMA. Plus, there's nothing like an evenly-matched fight between two guys who are capable everywhere the fight goes, where they have a good fight that flows naturally all over the cage as each guy searches for anywhere that he might have an advantage. :good

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It definitely is a relatively new sport. There's rules and timed rounds that did not exist until very recently.
 
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