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Brook's experience will pay off, Spence hasn't shown to be very chinny but he can be outboxed
That could happen,and no mistake it would be a fantastic win. As good if not better than anything Khan has done. As said Ive not voted here but if Brook is not unduly affected by weight/his injury I DO see a distance fight either way.
 
That could happen,and no mistake it would be a fantastic win. As good if not better than anything Khan has done. As said Ive not voted here but if Brook is not unduly affected by weight/his injury I DO see a distance fight either way.
This is my biggest concern for Brook, an orbital break is never 100% after. I don't see anyone being stopped unless Spence pushes for it, even then I see Brook catching him coming in
 
If Brook makes the weight as good as before, then I think he'll hold an advantage that Spence won't have experienced before. Brook's power should be a cause for concern for them as they're coming in, and he'll be a lot harder to bully (as the tactless Shawn Porter found out).
 
This is my biggest concern for Brook, an orbital break is never 100% after. I don't see anyone being stopped unless Spence pushes for it, even then I see Brook catching him coming in
This is my biggest concern for Brook, an orbital break is never 100% after. I don't see anyone being stopped unless Spence pushes for it, even then I see Brook catching him coming in
Im actually amazed he's taking such a tough fight after it,to such an extent that Im still doubtiing this fight happens. But then again,a lot of forum members would say Im always doubting fights. The truth is Im not,just the ones Ive got a feeling about. And my record is not bad. As said if it happens,Brook deserves massive credit,win or lose. And nobody should call him a ducker ever again.
 
Im actually amazed he's taking such a tough fight after it,to such an extent that Im still doubtiing this fight happens. But then again,a lot of forum members would say Im always doubting fights. The truth is Im not,just the ones Ive got a feeling about. And my record is not bad. As said if it happens,Brook deserves massive credit,win or lose. And nobody should call him a ducker ever again.
I am too, especially someone as aggressive as Spence. I can't knock ambition
 
If Brook makes the weight as good as before, then I think he'll hold an advantage that Spence won't have experienced before. Brook's power should be a cause for concern for them as they're coming in, and he'll be a lot harder to bully (as the tactless Shawn Porter found out).
Yes this is the big thing. All things being equal,Brook is easily the best fighter Spence will have tackled. But with one obvious exception,the opposite might be true. I think id take Spence to outbox Porter. And I expect him to try and use southpaw skills to outbox Kell at range. He looks a different kind of fighter to anything Brook has encountered before. Its a fascinating fight.
 
Yes this is the big thing. All things being equal,Brook is easily the best fighter Spence will have tackled. But with one obvious exception,the opposite might be true. I think id take Spence to outbox Porter. And I expect him to try and use southpaw skills to outbox Kell at range. He looks a different kind of fighter to anything Brook has encountered before. Its a fascinating fight.
Certainly is.

On that note, I think Spence would absolutely ruin Porter. That fight will one day be easily made.
 
Im actually amazed he's taking such a tough fight after it,to such an extent that Im still doubtiing this fight happens. But then again,a lot of forum members would say Im always doubting fights. The truth is Im not,just the ones Ive got a feeling about. And my record is not bad. As said if it happens,Brook deserves massive credit,win or lose. And nobody should call him a ducker ever again.
My concern for Brook is mental, not physical:

Despite having nothing to prove after the Golovkin loss, in his MIND he may have something to prove. If he comes at Spence with a chip on his shoulder, needing to show the world that he's a WW KO machine, he'll likely get countered into Thursday.

Spence don't play around.
 
My concern for Brook is mental, not physical:

Despite having nothing to prove after the Golovkin loss, in his MIND he may have something to prove. If he comes at Spence with a chip on his shoulder, needing to show the world that he's a WW KO machine, he'll likely get countered into Thursday.

Spence don't play around.
I think it could be both CA. And also how will the physical damage affect him mentally? You say he has nothing to prove after the GGG loss,but I agree in his mind he most probably feels he does. The GGG fight was similar to Khan fighting Canelo,where nobody actually expected him to win. And where he did better than almost anybody who was at the same weight as GGG. In short,he excelled himself,but like Khan he was in what I call a novelty fight. Apart from the obvious money,Khan would have been better ticking over and going for a crack at a title,and Brook better defending his mandatory earlier against Spence. I will be full of admiration for Brook if he fights Spence,but as I keep saying Im not holding my breath. If he's got weight problems,as you suggest,this fight could be fraught with danger. Im not one of those underestimating the challenge in front of him. But if he comes through it,his legacy will be secure.
 
My concern for Brook is mental, not physical:

Despite having nothing to prove after the Golovkin loss, in his MIND he may have something to prove. If he comes at Spence with a chip on his shoulder, needing to show the world that he's a WW KO machine, he'll likely get countered into Thursday.

Spence don't play around.
Id be more worried about him physically, Brook is always mentally ready he only comes to win, against someone like Spence you dont need to KO him you just need to win, Brook would be dumb to go for the KO just to prove something when it could go down as his best win
 
I think it could be both CA. And also how will the physical damage affect him mentally? You say he has nothing to prove after the GGG loss,but I agree in his mind he most probably feels he does. The GGG fight was similar to Khan fighting Canelo,where nobody actually expected him to win. And where he did better than almost anybody who was at the same weight as GGG. In short,he excelled himself,but like Khan he was in what I call a novelty fight. Apart from the obvious money,Khan would have been better ticking over and going for a crack at a title,and Brook better defending his mandatory earlier against Spence. I will be full of admiration for Brook if he fights Spence,but as I keep saying Im not holding my breath. If he's got weight problems,as you suggest,this fight could be fraught with danger. Im not one of those underestimating the challenge in front of him. But if he comes through it,his legacy will be secure.
This is my thoughts exactly, mentally I think Brook is as tough as any fight out there, physically I don't think he will be 100% on the night. The guy looked in good condition at 160lbs and must now cut that muscle off again to reach a weight he was already rumoured to be growing out of before the Golovkin fight. Outboxing Errol Spence is well within Brooks capabilities, in fact I expect him to be leading on points going into the second half of the fight, I can then see the snap going out of his work, his legs slowing down and the boxing match becoming a shootout. A shootout I ultimately don't think Brook will have the strength, conditioning or stamina to withstand, I think he gets stopped on his feet around the 9th or 10th round.
 
I like Spence but he gets hit clean more than he should, his offense is awesome but he can be too aggressive and doesn't have enough respect for his opponents. If he does this against Special K, I think he gets stopped...I really like both guys and think they are both world class, but Spence worries me a little. I'll take special K by stoppage somewhere between the 9-11 round. Hope I'm wrong, but that's pretty rare to be honest.
100% agree with everything you wrote, except I want Kell to win. I wasn't impressed with Spence's last performance against Bundu, on the outside he got caught too much against a guy close to his 42nd birthday.

For people who think he can outbox Kell watch the first 4 rounds against Bundu again, imagine what Kell would do instead of Bundu.

 
I like Spence but he gets hit clean more than he should, his offense is awesome but he can be too aggressive and doesn't have enough respect for his opponents. If he does this against Special K, I think he gets stopped...I really like both guys and think they are both world class, but Spence worries me a little. I'll take special K by stoppage somewhere between the 9-11 round. Hope I'm wrong, but that's pretty rare to be honest.
Yeah this is what im predicting now, Spence leaves himself open because he puts too much power into every punch, Brook's one two's straight down the pipe that he kept landing on Porter will land repeatedly and hurt Spence
 
100% agree with everything you wrote, except I want Kell to win. I wasn't impressed with Spence's last performance against Bundu, on the outside he got caught too much against a guy close to his 42nd birthday.

For people who think he can outbox Kell watch the first 4 rounds against Bundu again, imagine what Kell would do instead of Bundu.

If Spence choose to box on the outside he gets picked off by Kells jab all night, if he tries to come inside and throw winging hooks like he does in almost every fight Kell will tie him up like he did Porter. This fight is in the UK as well remember so all the advantages are with Kell Brook. Spence either gets stopped early or loses on points imo. Brook and his team will know exactly how to deal with Erol Spence.
 
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You all are exaggerating the hell out of Spence loading up on punches. Yeah he'll do that when he has you hurt over the ropes, but normally his punches come out very sharp, straight from his guard and precise. Very similar to his teammate JoJo Diaz
 
You all are exaggerating the hell out of Spence loading up on punches. Yeah he'll do that when he has you hurt over the ropes, but normally his punches come out very sharp, straight from his guard and precise. Very similar to his teammate JoJo Diaz
Bball, you beat me too it.

Spence is typically a very patient fighter. Heck, even against the over-matched Bundu, he took his time and set things up carefully.

Yes, he will SOMETIMES get a little over-aggressive and throw from too far out, but somehow he doesn't lose his balance. He doesn't let his head fall forward like so many other fighters do in this situation. This is why he can keep firing proper shots from those odd angles, with full power. He even throws that big left uppercut from a safe position, which is very hard to do. (The lead-hand uppercut is a very dangerous punch to throw, as it typically leaves you very exposed to a counter.)

And also because of this, like Jermall Charlo, Spence's head is almost always protected, and he's always in position with his legs to get da' fuck out of Dodge. (Although I think Charlo is the superior defensive fighter, by a little bit.)

If I had to find negatives with Spence, they would be:

1: His jab isn't all that.

2: His defensive head movement is almost non-existant. He makes up for this by blocking well with his arms & gloves, as seen in the Barerra fight. He also avoid punches via his brilliant footwork and balance, but I fear for him on the inside, against an elite, fast-handed fighter. - And Brook's hands are very fast.
 
Id be more worried about him physically, Brook is always mentally ready he only comes to win, against someone like Spence you dont need to KO him you just need to win, Brook would be dumb to go for the KO just to prove something when it could go down as his best win
Hmm, I think you're underrating Brook's composure. For me, it could be one of his greatest qualities. Tactically, he'll be fine. But it's as you say - physically he'll be pushed to the limits.
 
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Bball, you beat me too it.

Spence is typically a very patient fighter. Heck, even against the over-matched Bundu, he took his time and set things up carefully.

Yes, he will SOMETIMES get a little over-aggressive and throw from too far out, but somehow he doesn't lose his balance. He doesn't let his head fall forward like so many other fighters do in this situation. This is why he can keep firing proper shots from those odd angles, with full power. He even throws that big left uppercut from a safe position, which is very hard to do. (The lead-hand uppercut is a very dangerous punch to throw, as it typically leaves you very exposed to a counter.)

And also because of this, like Jermall Charlo, Spence's head is almost always protected, and he's always in position with his legs to get da' fuck out of Dodge. (Although I think Charlo is the superior defensive fighter, by a little bit.)

If I had to find negatives with Spence, they would be:

1: His jab isn't all that.

2: His defensive head movement is almost non-existant. He makes up for this by blocking well with his arms & gloves, as seen in the Barerra fight. He also avoid punches via his brilliant footwork and balance, but I fear for him on the inside, against an elite, fast-handed fighter. - And Brook's hands are very fast.
Very good write up. Spence values his balance and footwork a lot.
 
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