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Official: Kell Brook vs Errol Spence May 27
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I don't disagree, and I'm not saying he loads up on all his shots, but I can tell you he absolutely gets hit too clean, too much. Now to this point it hasn't been a problem, but going forward it will be, I don't expect him to eat shots from elite WW's the way he has thus far. I hope he does awesome, love the kid, just saying his defense (in my opinion) is suspect.
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Yeah, if you remove Porter, Brook's list of opponents / wins aren't exactly better. You could even argue he's looked worse and more beatable than Spence. I for one remember scoring the first Carson Jones fight a draw.
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On a side note, does anyone else think it's possible that Brook may purposefully give up his title on the scales? He may feel it's better to walk in nice and healthy (say, 150) and improve his chances of beating Spence - who, at this point, a win over is more valuable than the belt itself. He can always fall back on the excuse: "I tried genuinely tried, but the final pounds weren't coming off".
As you probably know Ive somewhat doubted this fight from the start. I think,in fact Im sure,that boxing promoting is something of a black art. And I don't pretend to know the intricacies of it. In this case,Ive been waiting for some kind of stunt to be pulled. And you've just come out with a nice feasible one. Good thinking Rico.
There certainly wasn't much in it. I know it was Kells first test against a good American,but I expected a bit better from him as Jones good as he was was no world beater. And I really rated Kell at that time. He has restored my faith in him as a fighter with the Porter win and the GGG loss but now we have the twin doubts of his injury and the weight. As a matter of interest Colin Hart said on Boxnation that he was surprised at Spence coming and that he must be confident. Ive never doubted that he would come and have always said if the fight doesn't happen it will be from this end not the US.
Just a question for you. In my opinion this is entirely possible. How do you see it panning out if it DOES happen? Spence going home/taking an overweight fight or whatever. Presumably if Kell was over and he fought and lost Spence could win the title?
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It isn't too far-fetched to think it could happen. We saw how pre-meditated the stoppage was against GGG (by that I mean how Roy Jones noted Kell's corner how they were going to stop it before it got too serious), and then staged argument between Ingle and Brook in the post-fight interview lol. So it would not surprise me if Ingle aims to make a healthy weight of 150 or whatever, and invent a plausible excuse.
In the event of it happening, I see Spence having no choice but to take the extra cash and continuing with the fight. It would be difficult to justify, to himself, a wasted camp (all the money, time and effort he put in) and lose a payday. Though personally, I would take the financial hit. I'd threaten to pull out if Brook doesn't make the contractual weight. At this stage of his career, it's better to lose a payday than his undefeated record and star potential.
Thanks for that. Im a very cynical old bugger and don't write anything off in this sport.
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How did I not think of this?
I think you've just seen into the future with this one.
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It's a brilliant, and somewhat plausible hypothesis. I could even see Brook not caring about a huge financial penalty.
However, if this was the plan, then why take the fight at all? He has no "emotional" need to beat Spence, since he can legitimately move up. There's plenty of money to be made at 154, and arguably against easier opponents than Spence. If he beats Spence, but comes in heavy, then that seriously tarnishes the win.
I just don't see your scenario as making much sense to team Brook.
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Yes, good point.
Perhaps this won't be their plan outright from the beginning. Their intentions may very well be to defend the title legitimately and maintain a presence in the more lucrative welterweight division. But if in the final third of camp they come to the realisation that dropping down further to 147 would have more harmful implications than they originally thought (in terms of conditioning and chances of winning), then I believe they may adjust their preparations and avoid the agony of losing those extra pounds. Similar to what Mayweather did to Marquez.
And to answer your question of: why take the fight at all? I really do still believe that Hearn and Brook were trapped into settling for Spence. Their insistence on the Khan fight (and putting themselves forward for Pac) made everyone challenge their claim of not belonging in the division anymore. Spence is the first only decent mandatory challenger that's being asked of him, and so to ignore him when all of the other options had been depleted, would have made it a shameful duck. His 147 title reign would have been a laughable one.
So yeah, Spence wasn't their ideal choice. They've been forced into this. And so it wouldn't surprise if, near the end, they think: "Screw the weight. Screw the belt. Screw killing ourselves for an opponent we didn't even want, and risk losing our *'0' that is worth more". And you can absolutely guarantee that Brook will be forgiven for this. With the hate so intense for his arch-enemy, Khan, Skysports and the British public saw nothing wrong in his atrocious run of welterweight opponents. So they'll barely bat an eyelid if he and Hearn run the weight excuse.
*I say '0', because in the eyes of many, his stock is unchanged from the impossible GGG task.
I actually think it might. I actually think Spence may already be seen as a better fighter than Porter,though it would have been different if Porter had beat Thurman. To the average man in the street if Brook comes in 3 or 4 pounds heavier than Spence this will be nothing. He can say he's tried to shift it. By the time they get in the ring it might just be a 7 pound advantage. I still think it would be a close fight but theres a possibility Brook could look a real beast and do a job. In this scenario I don't think anybody would consider the weight. All they'd see was a guy who did better than most against GGG tried to make the weight,failed and beat his mandatory,and toughest,contender. Then they'd be talking about his coming assault on the junior middleweights and that none of the champions could live with him. And another lucrative PPV for one of brooks last fights. There won't be many more.
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I would argue Brook's stock rocketed after the GGG fight, particularly stateside. Whereas Kahan's pitty patty six rounds against canelo before the inevitable has just become another highlight reel starching and his stock remained unchanged either way, just another KO to add to the list.
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De La Hoya: Spence Will Destroy Brook - I'd Love To Promote Him
By Carlos Boogs
Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya believes welterweight contender Errol Spence is one of the best up and coming fighters in the sport - and he would love to have the United States Olympian sign with his company.
Spence (21-0, 18 KOs) is scheduled to face IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KOs) in a mandatory fight on a date in May.
According to Brook's promoter, Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport, the date is likely to fall on May 27 in the champion's hometown of Sheffield.
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De La Hoya believes Spence - if promoted and marketed right - could be the second coming of Hall of Fame great Sugar Ray Leonard.
As far as the upcoming fight, De La Hoya predicts a career defining performance by Spence. He says the undefeated fighter will wipe Brook out in a showcase victory.
The odds of De La Hoya working with Spence is very unlikely. Spence is advised by boxing power broker Al Haymon and fights under the Premier Boxing Champions banner. Last month, Haymon and PBC secured a very important legal victory when a judge dismissed a lawsuit that was filed against them by De La Hoya and his company.
There was a time when the majority of Haymon's fighters were being handled by Golden Boy. That relationship came to an end in early 2015, when Haymon reached a deal with Golden Boy to part ways. Haymon left with his entire stable and ultimately formed the PBC brand.
Despite the past bad blood with Spence's management, De La Hoya would love to get the opportunity to promote him.
"I would build [Spence] into a Sugar Ray Leonard. He's the type of fighter who wants to fight the best, he believes in himself. He's young, he's a good looking kid. He's a fighter that I would love to promote," De La Hoya told the Sweet Scientists show on SiriusXM Rush 93.
"I believe that he destroys Kell Brook. That's how good he is. But imagine if Errol Spence and the Golden Boy were together - oh man!"
By Carlos Boogs
Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya believes welterweight contender Errol Spence is one of the best up and coming fighters in the sport - and he would love to have the United States Olympian sign with his company.
Spence (21-0, 18 KOs) is scheduled to face IBF welterweight champion Kell Brook (36-1, 25 KOs) in a mandatory fight on a date in May.
According to Brook's promoter, Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport, the date is likely to fall on May 27 in the champion's hometown of Sheffield.
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De La Hoya believes Spence - if promoted and marketed right - could be the second coming of Hall of Fame great Sugar Ray Leonard.
As far as the upcoming fight, De La Hoya predicts a career defining performance by Spence. He says the undefeated fighter will wipe Brook out in a showcase victory.
The odds of De La Hoya working with Spence is very unlikely. Spence is advised by boxing power broker Al Haymon and fights under the Premier Boxing Champions banner. Last month, Haymon and PBC secured a very important legal victory when a judge dismissed a lawsuit that was filed against them by De La Hoya and his company.
There was a time when the majority of Haymon's fighters were being handled by Golden Boy. That relationship came to an end in early 2015, when Haymon reached a deal with Golden Boy to part ways. Haymon left with his entire stable and ultimately formed the PBC brand.
Despite the past bad blood with Spence's management, De La Hoya would love to get the opportunity to promote him.
"I would build [Spence] into a Sugar Ray Leonard. He's the type of fighter who wants to fight the best, he believes in himself. He's young, he's a good looking kid. He's a fighter that I would love to promote," De La Hoya told the Sweet Scientists show on SiriusXM Rush 93.
"I believe that he destroys Kell Brook. That's how good he is. But imagine if Errol Spence and the Golden Boy were together - oh man!"
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I am over the moon Spence is stepping up, its unfortunate that its against Brook. But Brook has been left wanting and not achieved what he set out to do. If Memory serves me right I have conversed with @bballchump11 earlier on in spence's career. I see him doing great things if he can match up his skills with the weight at 147 I see him topping the division, cleaning out the division is another matter due to politics in the sport and duckers. Good Luck to him as a Brit I want Brook to win but its near the end of his career
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Spencer's sparring partners are
Daquan Arnett
Jermell Charlo
Caleb Brant
Adrian Taylor (light heavyweight)
Daquan Arnett
Jermell Charlo
Caleb Brant
Adrian Taylor (light heavyweight)
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I think it would be very difficult for them to do it given the departmentalised nature of his setup. I was speaking with someone last year who had been to a talk at a university near Brook's home which mentioned that his nutrition and weight management is an almost separate group to his training team - in part because he could no longer be trusted to eat properly.
Apparently he began this camp at a lower weight than he does normally (which says more about his between fight discipline previously) so they shouldn't have any excuses.
Hearn and Brooks team are being a little sneaky in a way with this one. They are presenting it as "Brook could of moved up but he is staying at 147 because he wants to defend his belt". Nonsense. They took this route because , other than Khan, it is the biggest payday. Anyone at 154 such as Cotto would of wanted to huge sum to go over to the UK , leaving Brook with the leftovers. Fighting Spence he gets around 70% of a PPV pot, in a fight which will be hyped to the moon as the most difficult thing since... Bellew vs Haye. He stands to make some good money.
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