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Reports: Pacquiao wants $20M guarantee vs Crawford - Or Jeff Horn fight 'a possibility'

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#41 ·
I dont care about the Horn fight.

I think Horn v Vargas is a decent fight, if Horn could beat Vargas in style then maybes Id have more interest in it. Hell do Horn v Bradley but this fight is underwhelming.

Dunno why he doesnt do whatever they can to make the Crawford fight. If Crawford wins he has a new star in the peak of his career and with loads of good fights on the horizon, if Pacquaio wins, he can milk him even more.

If he wants to sacrifice him to Loma down the line just do both fights. Even if Pacquaio loses to Crawford, Loma would still benefot from a Pacquaio fight after.
 
Discussion starter · #43 ·
Rumours going around here saying Arum is looking at Suncorp Arena in Brisbane.

It would be a good earner for Pacman, 50 000+ arena would sell out in minutes.

I can imagine a Joseph Parker on the co main.
 
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poorface said:
Still way too expensive if the opponent is Horn.
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Pacquiao would be laughing all the way to the bank and it's not like Pac hasn't fought enough top guys in his career. He has said he wants 2 fights left maximum, this may be a tune up for someone else. Wonder who that might be??
 
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thehook13 said:
Pacquiao would be laughing all the way to the bank and it's not like Pac hasn't fought enough top guys in his career. He has said he wants 2 fights left maximum, this may be a tune up for someone else. Wonder who that might be??
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Pacquiao can fight whoever he wants but I sure don't want HBO blowing through a large part of their already reduced budget just so he can fight a mismatch off PPV.

I also don't even understand how one goes about evaluating tuneups when it comes to Pacquiao anymore. One could characterize most of his non-Floyd fights over the past 3 years as tuneups.
 
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poorface said:
Pacquiao can fight whoever he wants but I sure don't want HBO blowing through a large part of their already reduced budget just so he can fight a mismatch off PPV.

I also don't even understand how one goes about evaluating tuneups when it comes to Pacquiao anymore. One could characterize most of his non-Floyd fights over the past 3 years as tuneups.
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One would have to be pretty bloody dense say that though. Vargas might not be a top p4p fighter but he had the WBO title so not a tune-up. Bradley X 2 is no tune up. Algieri was a tune-up but he had Mayweather next so it was understandable. Rios before that was an easy opponent but after a lay-off and it was for the WBO title as well so it is what it is.
 
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thehook13 said:
One would have to be pretty bloody dense say that though. Vargas might not be a top p4p fighter but he had the WBO title so not a tune-up. Bradley X 2 is no tune up. Algieri was a tune-up but he had Mayweather next so it was understandable. Rios before that was an easy opponent but after a lay-off and it was for the WBO title as well so it is what it is.
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An opponent merely holding a trinket doesn't make it impossible to call something a tuneup. I love how selective boxing fans are when it comes to treating sanctioning bodies seriously. Vargas arguably should have lost at least 2 fights at 140 and clearly lost 11 rounds and 30 seconds to the Bradley Pacquiao swept, but one must not downplay his quality as an opponent because he was a WORLD CHAMPION simply because he won Manny's vacated belt against an inactive Sadam Ali.

And I sure as hell would call Bradley III a tuneup as well; the mere fact that it was a rubber match doesn't change everyone saw him lose twice to Pacquiao. If Floyd kept rematching Marquez I wouldn't suddenly pretend those were great victories either given how the first fight played out. I suppose you'd be inclined to call Bradley III a "retirement fight" rather than a tuneup, just as Rios was a "comeback fight."
 
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poorface said:
An opponent merely holding a trinket doesn't make it impossible to call something a tuneup. I love how selective boxing fans are when it comes to treating sanctioning bodies seriously. Vargas arguably should have lost at least 2 fights at 140 and clearly lost 11 rounds and 30 seconds to the Bradley Pacquiao swept, but one must not downplay his quality as an opponent because he was a WORLD CHAMPION simply because he won Manny's vacated belt against an inactive Sadam Ali.

And I sure as hell would call Bradley III a tuneup as well; the mere fact that it was a rubber match doesn't change everyone saw him lose twice to Pacquiao. If Floyd kept rematching Marquez I wouldn't suddenly pretend those were great victories either given how the first fight played out. I suppose you'd be inclined to call Bradley III a "retirement fight" rather than a tuneup, just as Rios was a "comeback fight."
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You're choosing to be cynical here, I wont speculate as to why you would be doing that. Bradley is a top quality opponent regardless of the narrative at the time, Manny can't help being the better man considering the work involved going into that fight you absolutely cannot call it a tune-up. Also, the WBO Welterweight Title is a major world title not a trinket, A world title is not a piece of paper, it is a bargaining tool. It is a legitimate credential. I can fully understand why Pacquiao would be wanting that title back, I'll also add that Vargas may not be a great opponent but he is not a bad one.
 
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thehook13 said:
Bradley is a top quality opponent regardless of the narrative at the time, Manny can't help being the better man considering the work involved going into that fight you absolutely cannot call it a tune-up.
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This would be the least bit relevant if we hadn't already seen Pacquiao beat Bradley largely on cruise control twice. Again, that's not the narrative, but the necessary context that he had absolutely nothing to offer Pacquiao going into the third fight. Any perceived competitiveness going in would be a result of questions about Pacquiao's decline not any improvements on Bradley's part. Again, if Mayweather kept rematching Marquez I wouldn't be inclined to call those top quality wins, so I have no idea why people are in such a rush to do so for one of the most needless trilogies in recent times.

Also, the WBO Welterweight Title is a major world title not a trinket, A world title is not a piece of paper, it is a bargaining tool. It is a legitimate credential. I can fully understand why Pacquiao would be wanting that title back, I'll also add that Vargas may not be a great opponent but he is not a bad one.
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All sanctioning body titles are trinkets Pacquiao is bigger than any belt at this point. If Pacquiao suddenly vacated or got stripped again and they gave the belt to their "Inter-Continental" beltholder Horn, would that too elevate him above tune-up status?
 
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poorface said:
This would be the least bit relevant if we hadn't already seen Pacquiao beat Bradley largely on cruise control twice. Again, that's not the narrative, but the necessary context that he had absolutely nothing to offer Pacquiao going into the third fight. Any perceived competitiveness going in would be a result of questions about Pacquiao's decline not any improvements on Bradley's part. Again, if Mayweather kept rematching Marquez I wouldn't be inclined to call those top quality wins, so I have no idea why people are in such a rush to do so for one of the most needless trilogies in recent times.

All sanctioning body titles are trinkets Pacquiao is bigger than any belt at this point. If Pacquiao suddenly vacated or got stripped again and they gave the belt to their "Inter-Continental" beltholder Horn, would that too elevate him above tune-up status?
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At the end of the day, Bradley is a top fighter and a serious opponent for anyone. Even for someone who has beat him twice before. I believe the work and preparation going into facing a fighter like that cannot be understated. You simply cannot say it was a tune-up fight. I couldn't give a fuck about the promotion or the significance of the fight. Pacquiao has a top fighter in front of him throwing leather, you cannot call it a tune-up level fight. End of story

As for your quip on titles, yes it would elevate Horn. Pacquiao wants his title. He takes it off the man who's holding it. Not a tune-up
 
#53 ·
thehook13 said:
At the end of the day, Bradley is a top fighter and a serious opponent for anyone. Even for someone who has beat him twice before. I believe the work and preparation going into facing a fighter like that cannot be understated. You simply cannot say it was a tune-up fight. I couldn't give a fuck about the promotion or the significance of the fight. Pacquiao has a top fighter in front of him throwing leather, you cannot call it a tune-up level fight. End of story
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Bradley's a top fighter and good win for Pacquiao because Bradley's a top fighter. Sounds legit.
 
Discussion starter · #54 ·
poorface said:
Bradley's a top fighter and good win for Pacquiao because Bradley's a top fighter. Sounds legit.
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Sounds legit to me.

Actually stepping in the ropes and having a fight is a different experience to writing a boxing article. If Mayweather beat a prime Marquez 5 times then he still beats a prime HOFer 5 times in my book. Just because the reason for having the fight wasn't upto scratch, doesn't change the fact it's Juan Manual fucking Marquez standing right in front of you.

This is a stupid conversation
 
#55 ·
Horn is nowhere near good enough to be fighting current manny.

Horn is fun to watch but so limited,when he steps up his style will be found out and Id rather it was v a vargas than Pacquiao.
 
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poorface said:
An opponent merely holding a trinket doesn't make it impossible to call something a tuneup. I love how selective boxing fans are when it comes to treating sanctioning bodies seriously. Vargas arguably should have lost at least 2 fights at 140 and clearly lost 11 rounds and 30 seconds to the Bradley Pacquiao swept, but one must not downplay his quality as an opponent because he was a WORLD CHAMPION simply because he won Manny's vacated belt against an inactive Sadam Ali.

And I sure as hell would call Bradley III a tuneup as well; the mere fact that it was a rubber match doesn't change everyone saw him lose twice to Pacquiao. If Floyd kept rematching Marquez I wouldn't suddenly pretend those were great victories either given how the first fight played out. I suppose you'd be inclined to call Bradley III a "retirement fight" rather than a tuneup, just as Rios was a "comeback fight."
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You would have to be a total fucking retard to call Bradley a tune-up....so, shut the fuck up retard
 
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