[on the hook]

You think Loma wanted to fight that way?

Lopez was intimidating from the start. Forced Loma onto the defensive.

 

[Pedderrs]

Lopez was intimidating from the start. Forced Loma onto the defensive.

It's easy for us on the outside looking in to say 'don't fight like that'. But we aren't the ones getting hit in the head and body.

You're correct, Lopez forced Loma to fight that way, and had Loma been insolent about it he probably wouldn't have seen the final bell.

 

[Pedderrs]

Champion mentality? His mentality reminds me of Broner. A mental weakling who needs to hype himself up and denigrate his opponent out of a sense of inferiority. He'll lose and likely disappear, he has the opposite of a champion mentality.

Great prediction.

 

[on the hook]

Champion mentality? His mentality reminds me of Broner. A mental weakling who needs to hype himself up and denigrate his opponent out of a sense of inferiority. He'll lose and likely disappear, he has the opposite of a champion mentality.

:frankfingers

 

[DynamicMoves]

Actually a lot of people were insinuating it.

He was the loudest is all.

 

[Bob Weaver]

What does "Wack" mean.?

Bad. Rubbish. Crap.

 

[Bob Weaver]

Loma is on the slide. He has 400 amateur fights and accomplished so much in the amateurs and in the pros already. I haven't seen all his fights, but he's not the same fighter he was a few years ago. The hunger has gone. He's burned out and not much more to accomplish for him other than winning this rematch. Nothing left to prove for him other than winning that rematch.

He's been looking jaded for a while now. He's had a long career, and doesn't seem to love the pro game.

Not to take anything away from Lopez though. A small, jaded, loma has still been battering quality fighters for years.

Lopez was bigger, hungrier, more aggressive, and more athletic. Deserved winner.

 

[on the hook]

He was the loudest is all.

Seems to be the quietest of all now.

 

[Bob Weaver]

Yup, it's kind of funny seeing Lomachenko cleaning out the European league, but Lopez is on another level to that shit.

He's only fought two Europeans in 16 fights. :think that's not much of a league.

He's mainly battered little old Mexicans and other Latin types.

 

[DB Cooper]

We'll see. I'm going to have to miss it, I'll watch a replay and comment here later. Enjoy the fight!

Safety first move?

Nostradamus like prediction and you haven't been seen since :lol:

 

[Pedderrs]

He's been looking jaded for a while now. He's had a long career, and doesn't seem to love the pro game.

Not to take anything away from Lopez though. A small, jaded, loma has still been battering quality fighters for years.

Lopez was bigger, hungrier, more aggressive, and more athletic. Deserved winner.

And this all perfectly correlates with the opponents getting both better and bigger.

Interesting.

Opening your post by insinuating Lomachenko is disinterested does take something away from Lopez, who was supposed to lose. It's unmistakable.

 

[REDC]

They aren't Loma haha

LOL. What I meant was they all stood right in front of him with no head movement and their hands down.

 

[Bob Weaver]

And this all perfectly correlates with the opponents getting both better and bigger.

Interesting.

It can be both though. He might be jaded and starting to go over the hill, and be facing bigger men.

I thought he looked jaded before Crolla and Campbell, if not before then, and he clearly beat both, and destroyed Crolla.

He's had a long career, and has loads of miles in the clock mentally and physically. He's also a small man, and small men age quicker.

None of that diminishes what Lopez did. Loma is still a pfp fighter, and unified champion. Lopez was supremely confident going in, and he delivered where others failed. Its a great win.

 

[Pedderrs]

It can be both though. He might be jaded and starting to go over the hill, and be facing bigger men.

I thought he looked jaded before Crolla and Campbell, if not before then, and he clearly beat both, and destroyed Crolla.

He's had a long career, and has loads of miles in the clock mentally and physically. He's also a small man, and small men age quicker.

None of that diminishes what Lopez did. Loma is still a pfp fighter, and unified champion. Lopez was supremely confident going in, and he delivered where others failed. Its a great win.

It can be both, but one is speculative and the other is empirical.

Factually, the level of Lomachenko's opposition has been getting better. Not only better, but bigger and stronger. It stands to reason that he would be less dominant as a consequence.

We don't really need a second reason to justify his diminishing performances, it's pretty black and white.

Who did you pick ahead of this fight just out of curiosity?

 

[REDC]

Teo is way too basic to be even remotely succesful vs Loma. I think Loma's going to school him the same way he schooled Walters, i.e. Teo's not going to land anything. It's going to be a mismatch.

Just saw the fight. I was wrong about this one and then some :lol:

Absolutely outrageous scorecards though, especially the near-shutout from Julie Lederman. Scandalous.

Regarding the fight Loma started way too late but Teo was so big, strong and fast that I think Loma couldn't but wait until Teo tired. It seemed a fresh Teo was too much to overcome for Loma.
Anyone know what Teo weighed in the ring? It looked like a SFW/LW vs a full fledged LWW/WW.

Right off the bat Loma looked a little off/different than usual - going back backward defense first instead of bringing the fight to Teo. Definitely less aggressive than vs Pedraza or Campbell.

Teo obviously deserved the win IMO although Julie Lederman should never judge again.

 

[Bob Weaver]

It can be both, but one is speculative and the other is empirical.

Factually, the level of Lomachenko's opposition has been getting better. Not only better, but bigger and stronger. It stands to reason that he would be less dominant as a consequence.

We don't really need a second reason to justify his diminishing performances, it's pretty black and white.

Who did you pick ahead of this fight just out of curiosity?

I picked Loma stoppage. :lol:

But I did say Lopez was the biggest threat since Russell Jnr and I could see him winning.

I think it's factual that his opposition is bigger, (obviously), I don't think it's factual that they are better, at least not in a pfp sense.

Russell Jnr is better than anyone he has faced at lightweight, other than maybe Lopez.

Old Rigo and Walters are better pfp than Campbell and Crolla, and comparable with old linares. They are just much smaller.

 

[Pedderrs]

I picked Loma stoppage. :lol:

:hey:hey:hey:hey

Then do the right thing and congratulate the young man for showing YDKSAB.

I'm not sure what PFP means in this context. Are you saying tiny Rigo who was inactive presents a tougher fight than a young and fresh Campbell at Lightweight? Inactive and cumbersome Walters, who was coming off a draw, presents a tougher challenge than Linares who was on the best streak of his career?

Loma isn't quite as good as the hype suggested. And that is not his fault. It was the media building him up to be the most talented fighter to ever live that helped create expectations that were impossible to fulfil. Some people believed it, some people didn't.

History will show Lomachenko to be a great fighter, but not an all time great fighter. At least not when it comes to Professional boxing. .

 

[Bob Weaver]

@Pedderrs

BTW, I am no Loma fan boy. I've always said he's a fantastic talent, but I've also always said he has physical limitations and turned over too late.

He was a pfp fighter, and probably still is. He's just at too high a weight class.

When people talked about him going up again I said Taylor, Prograis, and maybe Ramirez would just be too big and would handle him pretty easily. Seems that might also be true for a big, talented lightweight.

 

[Pedderrs]

@Pedderrs

BTW, I am no Loma fan boy. I've always said he's a fantastic talent, but I've also always said he has physical limitations and turned over too late.

He was a pfp fighter, and probably still is. He's just at too high a weight class.

When people talked about him going up again I said Taylor, Prograis, and maybe Ramirez would just be too big and would handle him pretty easily. Seems that might also be true for a big, talented lightweight.

Fair enough. I was only joking with the YDKSAB.

People will tell you, some of my predictions over the years have been pretty shocking.

 

[Bob Weaver]

:hey:hey:hey:hey

Then do the right thing and congratulate the young man for showing YDKSAB.

I'm not sure what PFP means in this context. Are you saying tiny Rigo who was inactive presents a tougher fight than a young and fresh Campbell at Lightweight? Inactive and cumbersome Walters, who was coming off a draw, presents a tougher challenge than Linares who was on the best streak of his career?

Loma isn't quite as good as the hype suggested. And that is not his fault. It was the media building him up to be the most talented fighter to ever live that helped create expectations that were impossible to fulfil. Some people believed it, some people didn't.

History will show Lomachenko to be a great fighter, but not an all time great fighter. At least not when it comes to Professional boxing. .

I have congratulated Lopez. Several times. He's also more my sort of fighter than Loma is.

By pfp I meant that old Rigo and Walters were comparably good or better in their weight classes than Campbell or Crolla were at lightweight, and that Russell Jnr was better than all of them other than maybe Lopez.

However they are obviously much smaller, so in an absolute sense would be less of a challenge to the Loma, who is small himself.

Loma is a better fighter pfp than Dereck Chisora, but Lopez wouldn't beat him, eh?