[Bob Weaver]

No I have explained myself and presented an argument with evidence. The onus is on you now to refute it. You don't want to bother even trying, fair enough. I wouldn't either in your shoes. It's difficult to have an opinion when the words you're parroting aren't even your own opinion.

Errr.. Lopez looks confident, everyone thinks he won.. err yeah obviously he won then!

Just state the rounds you gave him and why you scored it for him.

One you've done that I'll happily take a look when I'm not working and give my opinion on whether I agree, and if not why not.

 

[Dealt_with]

Just state the rounds you gave him and why you scored it for him.

One you've done that I'll happily take a look when I'm not working and give my opinion on whether I agree, and if not why not.

I've given my scorecard you fucking idiot.

How about we go with this, round 12. Apparently this is the clearest round for Lopez in the fight. Listen to the commentators, talking about Lomachenko being hurt, about it clearly being Lopez' round. Talking about the ref 'saving Lomachenko'. Absolute fantasy land stuff.

Now watch it with the sound off, who is pressing the action? Who is landing clean punches (punches to the arm don't count)? I think this was a close round, but Lomachenko won it. Think about the commentators, and how that influenced the majority who had their expectations (their baseline perception) at an easy time for Loma. Think about how that skews scoring (which is a subjective perception for everyone - including judges and commentators who are notorious for getting it wrong).
I give Lopez credit for doing better than I thought he could. But I still have my far superior eyes and boxing brain, that's why I trust my judgement. I don't have emotional biases and attachments... I'm an educated observer and I tell the truth.. that's why I'm correct while you dummies just repeat the appeal to popularity fallacy, getting told what to think because you trust the authority of punch drunk Tim Bradley. Watch this and get some thoughts of your own, learn boxing. The first step is to admit you're wrong.

 

[Bob Weaver]

I've given my scorecard you fucking idiot.

How about we go with this, round 12. Apparently this is the clearest round for Lopez in the fight. Listen to the commentators, talking about Lomachenko being hurt, about it clearly being Lopez' round. Talking about the ref 'saving Lomachenko'. Absolute fantasy land stuff.

Now watch it with the sound off, who is pressing the action? Who is landing clean punches (punches to the arm don't count)? I think this was a close round, but Lomachenko won it. Think about the commentators, and how that influenced the majority who had their expectations (their baseline perception) at an easy time for Loma. Think about how that skews scoring (which is a subjective perception for everyone - including judges and commentators who are notorious for getting it wrong).
I give Lopez credit for doing better than I thought he could. But I still have my far superior eyes and boxing brain, that's why I trust my judgement. I don't have emotional biases and attachments... I'm an educated observer and I tell the truth.. that's why I'm correct while you dummies just repeat the appeal to popularity fallacy, getting told what to think because you trust the authority of punch drunk Tim Bradley. Watch this and get some thoughts of your own, learn boxing. The first step is to admit you're wrong.

I don't have your scorecard, and with respect, I'm not an idiot, (and certainly not where it pertains to fucking, which I'm a genius at).

Also, we need more than your scorecard, we need some justification for why you scored the rounds the way you did, and why you believe you are right and everyone else is wrong.

If you can tell me what rounds you scored to him and why then I will rewatch the fight with an open mind and give you my genuine response.

 

[Dealt_with]

I don't have your scorecard, and with respect, I'm not an idiot, (and certainly not where it pertains to fucking, which I'm a genius at).

Also, we need more than your scorecard, we need some justification for why you scored the rounds the way you did, and why you believe you are right and everyone else is wrong.

If you can tell me what rounds you scored to him and why then I will rewatch the fight with an open mind and give you my genuine response.

I've given you one round to work with. That's all you have to refute. The clearest round for Teo apparently. If you didn't give Teo the 12th then you think Loma won the fight. I've made it very easy for you and anyone else.

I've given the justification (Loma pressing and landing the cleaner punches throughout - Lopez landed a good uppercut and body shot... for the whole round). I've pointed out how ridiculous the commentators were and how that influenced the viewer (talking about Lomachenko being hurt, screaming about blocked punches, pretending that the ref is helping Lopez, silence when Lomachenko is snapping Lopez' head back). I've given you everything you've asked for, in the most efficient manner possible. It should be very easy for everyone now.

I've given you specific advice on how to view the round. Turn the sound off, pretend these are two fighters you know nothing about. Now score the round honestly. I don't expect anyone to change their mind, because I understand the level of honesty and the ability to score a fight around here. I laughed when the score was announced, I never had a problem with the result. I knew it was wrong then as I do now, nothing changes when we have terrible judges, biased commentators, and low IQ people on boxing forums who don't know the sport or how to weigh up work throughout a round. I would have to be surprised about something to be upset.

 

[Bob Weaver]

I've given you one round to work with. That's all you have to refute. The clearest round for Teo apparently. If you didn't give Teo the 12th then you think Loma won the fight. I've made it very easy for you and anyone else.

I've given the justification (Loma pressing and landing the cleaner punches throughout - Lopez landed a good uppercut and body shot... for the whole round). I've pointed out how ridiculous the commentators were and how that influenced the viewer (talking about Lomachenko being hurt, screaming about blocked punches, pretending that the ref is helping Lopez, silence when Lomachenko is snapping Lopez' head back). I've given you everything you've asked for, in the most efficient manner possible. It should be very easy for everyone now.

I've given you specific advice on how to view the round. Turn the sound off, pretend these are two fighters you know nothing about. Now score the round honestly. I don't expect anyone to change their mind, because I understand the level of honesty and the ability to score a fight around here. I laughed when the score was announced, I never had a problem with the result. I knew it was wrong then as I do now, nothing changes when we have terrible judges, biased commentators, and low IQ people on boxing forums who don't know the sport or how to weigh up work throughout a round. I would have to be surprised about something to be upset.

So your not going to bother to justify your decision. That's fine, we all have stuff going on.

It's a bit rich though to repeatedly tell everyone they are wrong, and stupid, and not bother to breach up your argument.

 

[chibelle]

The first minute of round 12: Teo was more active even though Loma pressed forward. Teo had better shots. The middle of the round was a lot of blocked and grazing shots. The last 45 seconds has Teo with more impactful shots. Nothing from Loma.
round winner: Teo.

 

[steviebruno]

Fight happened three months ago and only @Dealt_with had Loma winning. We've had Halloween, a presidential election in America, Christmas, New Year's, an attempted coup, etc. Vasily Lomachenko isn't a topic anymore until he beats one of the young lions at 135 (Teo, Stevenson, Haney, Tank, Ryan Garcia, etc.).

He benefited from a dead era, but he's hung around long enough to find himself stuck in a golden age. We'll see how he measures up, but he did poorly against an inexperienced and nervy Teo.

 

[Super_Fly_Sam]

No I have explained myself and presented an argument with evidence. The onus is on you now to refute it. You don't want to bother even trying, fair enough. I wouldn't either in your shoes. It's difficult to have an opinion when the words you're parroting aren't even your own opinion.

Errr.. Lopez looks confident, everyone thinks he won.. err yeah obviously he won then!

Still haven't explained why you're still on an internet boxing forum and not making bank as one of the most respected boxing analysts or judges in the sport.

You know better than the majority of fans, pros, amateurs, judges, analysts, etc that saw the fight... So why are you still here with us?

 

[Dealt_with]

So your not going to bother to justify your decision. That's fine, we all have stuff going on.

It's a bit rich though to repeatedly tell everyone they are wrong, and stupid, and not bother to breach up your argument.

You've shown yourself. Either you haven't read my post or you're too dumb to understand how easy I made it for you.
I've backed it up repeatedly now and you still can't put in the effort to respond, even for one round. I don't think you ever had any intention, you're just trying to troll.

 

[Dealt_with]

The first minute of round 12: Teo was more active even though Loma pressed forward. Teo had better shots. The middle of the round was a lot of blocked and grazing shots. The last 45 seconds has Teo with more impactful shots. Nothing from Loma.
round winner: Teo.

See this is what I mean - people have no idea what boxing is or how to score a fight.

Did you know that compubox had Lopez landing 50 shots in round 12? Yeah, and I'm the one who can't see properly...

 

[Dealt_with]

Fight happened three months ago and only @Dealt_with had Loma winning. We've had Halloween, a presidential election in America, Christmas, New Year's, an attempted coup, etc. Vasily Lomachenko isn't a topic anymore until he beats one of the young lions at 135 (Teo, Stevenson, Haney, Tank, Ryan Garcia, etc.).

He benefited from a dead era, but he's hung around long enough to find himself stuck in a golden age. We'll see how he measures up, but he did poorly against an inexperienced and nervy Teo.

I don't bring this up, go back and have a look. I give this fight no thought until it's dragged up on here. I don't care to see him fight again, I think he should retire.

He suffered from being ducked and dodged, from being too humble to be a loudmouth for promoters... so he found himself on the wrong end of a decision from a young mouthy fighter he clearly beat. He's the best ever based on amateur career alone, as I've always said. The fact that he still set records as a pro in three divisions, with all the ducking and corruption of the pro game...
The greatness of a fighter comes in imitation and influence. Look at all the up and comers who have and will imitate Lomachenko.

 

[Dealt_with]

Still haven't explained why you're still on an internet boxing forum and not making bank as one of the most respected boxing analysts or judges in the sport.

You know better than the majority of fans, pros, amateurs, judges, analysts, etc that saw the fight... So why are you still here with us?

Do you realise how dumb you reveal yourself to be by saying something like this?

I doubt boxing judges make bank, I don't care about making bank, and I couldn't give a shit who respects me or not. An intelligent person isn't going to become a boxing judge or get involved with the sport. Yes I obviously know better than people who don't know shit, so what?

 

[on the hook]

See this is what I mean - people have no idea what boxing is or how to score a fight.

Did you know that compubox had Lopez landing 50 shots in round 12? Yeah, and I'm the one who can't see properly...

Lopez won the round regardless of how many punches compubox counted or didn't count. The ringside judges don't rely on compubox nor do most people who watch and score the fight. Your logic is as flawed as your sense of reality. Get help.

 

[chibelle]

See this is what I mean - people have no idea what boxing is or how to score a fight.

Did you know that compubox had Lopez landing 50 shots in round 12? Yeah, and I'm the one who can't see properly...

Huh?
I didn't mention Compubox at all. Nothing in that post reference Compubox.
your reply is moot.

 

[Dealt_with]

Apparently I'm not the only one.. I didn't really look at anything after the fight because I didn't care. Crawford had it a draw, Atlas etc.
So why are people on here appealing to authority and acting as if I'm the only one?

 

[dominus]

Hey Chump,

If telling lies on a boxing forum rates as meaningful to you fill your boots but just stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Dealt_with]

Huh?
I didn't mention Compubox at all. Nothing in that post reference Compubox.
your reply is moot.

I pointed out that you don't know anything about boxing, you mentioned no punches being landed, I mentioned compubox claiming that 50 punches were landed by Teo in that round alone... you can't even put that together?
My compubox mention was more for other people who act as if there was some unanimous, objective version of scoring that fight. I don't care what you have to say, I was just pointing to you as an example of someone who is part of the majority (people who are clueless about the sport). Thanks for being here to prove my point.

 

[dominus]

I pointed out that you don't know anything about boxing, you mentioned no punches being landed, I mentioned compubox claiming that 50 punches were landed by Teo in that round alone... you can't even put that together?
My compubox mention was more for other people who act as if there was some unanimous, objective version of scoring that fight. I don't care what you have to say, I was just pointing to you as an example of someone who is part of the majority (people who are clueless about the sport). Thanks for being here to prove my point.

You are completely and utterly flustered. Take a few deep breaths champ. You sound like you are about to hyperventilate.

 

[Dealt_with]

Hey Chump,

If telling lies on a boxing forum rates as meaningful to you fill your boots but just stop embarrassing yourself.

Ad hominem ad nauseam. Still waiting for the day when someone will address the fight instead of me. The people on here aren't embarrassing themselves, you need some sort of intelligence and self-awareness for that to be possible. I'm embarrassed for you, don't worry.

 

[Bob Weaver]

You've shown yourself. Either you haven't read my post or you're too dumb to understand how easy I made it for you.
I've backed it up repeatedly now and you still can't put in the effort to respond, even for one round. I don't think you ever had any intention, you're just trying to troll.

Look, it's cool. You can't, or won't, justify your opinion. You don't have to worry, you are a free man and I don't really care.

If you ever do want to discuss it though, just post your rounds and why you scored them and I will respond back honestly and seriously.