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did Loma get rushed too early or Rigo was just better?

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#21 ·
Flea Man said:
Aren't you the chap who thought Salido was robbed against Gamboa and claimed many people saw it the same way?
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Yes and no. I said it was a much closer fight than the judges have it and the boxrec warriors need to go watch it. I along with a few ESBers scored it for Salido. Even if you scored it for Gamboa there is no way in hell that was the domination those scorecards had it. I am fine with it going either way as it was that close due to multiple point deductions and knockdown against Gamboa. I believe 3-4 points total because of that. If you do the math. Salido only had to win 2 more rounds to get a draw which he definitely did. If you want to do the research go back to ESB archives and you will see there was some reputable members that scored it for Salido as well.
 
#22 ·
MadcapMaxie said:
A whaaaaaaa? I haven't seen it in a while but I'm fairly certain I had it clearly for Rigo. This is including the bullshit knockdown.
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If you seriously believe that statement you definitely need to rewatch that fight. There was a thread going around showing how Rigos legs shorted out after that jab which is why the chin checkers were going off on him. That was definitely a solid KD and the reason I believe Rigo is hiding some top of the line glass chin back there.
 
#23 ·
MadcapMaxie said:
I disagree. Loma and Rigo both had about the same amount of amateur fights with Loma losing less. Loma coming into the Salido fight really had 8 Pro fights including the WSB and lost while Rigo beat Cordoba handily in his 8th pro fight. Salido was also a hell of a lot more shop worn than Cordoba.
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WSB does not count unless you're a Dealt_With/ Undefeated Gaul style mongo.
 
#24 ·
I don't want to write Loma off as Rigo had some underwhelming fights early on (I remember him looking particularly poor against Cordoba). At this point, though, I feel confident in saying, when the dust settles, the consensus view will be that Rigo is significantly superior.
 
#27 ·
Vic said:
Anyone fighting a guy like Salido in his second pro bout is rushed early, but he risked and I don´t see the problem in that. Rigo arguably lost to Córdoba too, btw.

I think Rigo was the better amateur though, more skilled... and is, at least for now, clearly a better pro fighter don´t even need to say that I know, but just saying...
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Rigo-Cordoba was boring but not close at all. Terrible judging in that fight.
 
#28 ·
Hard to say, Rigo struggled bad with Cordoba, a boxer probably not as good as Salido so whose to say he would have won that fight five fights earlier. They took a gamble it didn't pay off. It happens, most of the time with fighters after 20-30 fights but you know he can still go on to have a great career.
 
#31 ·
saul_ir34 said:
If you seriously believe that statement you definitely need to rewatch that fight. There was a thread going around showing how Rigos legs shorted out after that jab which is why the chin checkers were going off on him. That was definitely a solid KD and the reason I believe Rigo is hiding some top of the line glass chin back there.
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It seems that you are the one that needs to re-watch the fight...and it seems you need to re-watch Gamboa-Salido aswell. How anyone could score that fight for Salido is beyond me. Gamboa was in complete control of that fight and would have stopped Salido had Yuri been able to contain himself after the knockdown
 
#32 ·
rjjfan said:
Hard to tell at this point but we haven't seen Rigo against an elite level come forward slugger with an 11 lb weight advantage and an incompetent ref.
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Jeff Fenech would maul him.
 
#33 ·
MadcapMaxie said:
A whaaaaaaa? I haven't seen it in a while but I'm fairly certain I had it clearly for Rigo. This is including the bullshit knockdown.
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Chacal said:
What 7 rounds can you give to Cordoba? Close but clear rigo win.
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Rigondeaux said:
Rigo-Cordoba was boring but not close at all. Terrible judging in that fight.
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I didn´t score the fight to Córdoba I believe, I don´t remember tbh, when I say arguably lost though, it is only this, arguably, because when you are landing rare, very very rare shots per round and these shots are not really that clean, the fight is always going to be close....Rigo was incredibly inept offensively in that fight, from what I can remember, you can´t win a fight clearly like that, just that....
 
#34 · (Edited)
I think Rigondeaux just has a better style for the pros. While Lomachenko showed promise in nearly beating quite possibly the most motivated version of Salido, he still looked amateurish. Overall, I think Rigondeaux is the better fighter, but that doesn't mean Lomachenko isn't good, because he is. It's just that Rigondeaux's style, while technically an "amateur" style, allows him to dictate and control his opponents far easier than Lomachenko's. Also, Lomachenko was rushed too early, but hey, it could be worse. He could have been Yamaguchi Falcao and got DQ'd in his pro-debut.

Flea Man said:
Jeff Fenech would maul him.
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^
 
#40 ·
He was rushed. But Lomachencko deserves huge props for the audacious move. I have no doubts he learned a great deal from his loss. He has a good head on his shoulders. Now he should fight on a very active schedule this year, not all against top contenders, but against rugged journeymen with styles he'll see more often, and whom can give him rounds. I don't think this loss will hurt him at all.
 
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