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You don't believe a word of what you just posted (like many bestselling "self help" authors and televised political commentators).

Guys like Joe Rein and Burt Bienstock witnessed both Ray and Roy at their very best, then in decline which exposed Roy's chin that Ray NEVER lost, and stated in no uncertain terms that SRR was the very best they ever saw in action. I'll defer to these two gentlemen who saw them both. Robby's last truly great performance was his 12 round KO in Olson I, something nobody else would come close to doing until Archie Moore (boxing's hardest puncher in the LHW AND HW divisions at that time) utterly destroyed Bobo in three rounds to defend the LHW Title, taking away Olson's chin in the process.

Mike McCallum would tell you that rating RJJ's hook over Robby's hook is sheer lunacy. The Bodysnatcher extensively studied Robby's footage during his developmental years, then went 12 rounds with RJJ in his penultimate bout.

Robby's "perfect" hook destroyed Gene Fullmer in a completely unique way, and his two filmed KO's of Olson demonstrate that one did not attempt hooking with SRR.

Through no fault of his own, Roy never proved what he could do over the Championship Distance. After Graziano at age 30, Robby was 132-2-2. If the end of his peak was indeed Olson I as Joe Rein told me, then he was 115-1-2 at that stage. (His next bout the following month was over Bobby D y k e s, in a televised match complete on YouTube, where he ravages D y k e s [ @Vscope , this is stupid. Bobby D y k e s is a historical boxer of consequence. This is literally cancel culture at its most egregious] on the inside and with surgically thudding rights to the body.)

Robby won seven times over the Championship Distance. Tommy Bell, Charley Fusari (filmed in live sound), Bernard Docusen, Robert Villemain, Bobo Olson [on television, preserved on YouTube] (HOF), Kid Gavilan (HOF) and Carmen Basilio [filmed] (HOF) were the opponents he defeated over 15 rounds. Additionally, he stopped LaMotta (HOF) over 13 rounds in the well filmed "Valentine's Day Massacre."

Peak for peak, Roy didn't have a fraction of Ray's experience. Going for Robby's body merely brought an expression of boredom to his face. The guy was known to drop opponents in the opening round with left jabs to the solar plexus.

Roy has been taken out five times, once in a single round. Four of those came before the age Robby retired at. Robby's only stoppage loss in 201 matches was in his LHW challenge of Maxim in round 13 of a bout he had clinched on the scorecards, but he failed to pace himself according to the heat and humidity of an outdoor venue which nearly caused that bout to be postponed. If it had been postponed until that heat wave was over, there's no question that Ray would've taken Maxim's LHW Title. He did take enough out of Joey though that Maxim lost his title to Archie Moore six months later. (Robby would have needed to stay away from Moore's bombs to have a chance at defending the LHW crown, but as a defending champion, Ray would have at least gotten the 70% to 30% payoff split he later demanded for challenging Archie. However, nobody would have blamed Ray for retiring after beating Maxim as he temporarily did after being forced to concede that challenge.)
video shows ray and his whole era were novices compared to the average 70s fighter, just as I said full matches shows that era made mutiple mistakes and looked very outdated
 
If this was a one-and-done, I would go with Jones. In a series, I would pick Robinson. Jones is hard to be because of his speed, explosiveness, and cautiousness. Ray might not be able to figure him out in one fight. But I figure he could adjust and catch him in a three-fight series.
 
If this was a one-and-done, I would go with Jones. In a series, I would pick Robinson. Jones is hard to be because of his speed, explosiveness, and cautiousness. Ray might not be able to figure him out in one fight. But I figure he could adjust and catch him in a three-fight series.
and no the quote of he wasn't in his prime doesn't matter cause even hw in their prime during that time we have video of and they made the same outdated techniques and flaws they look horrible so no ray would never win you looney idiot

Roy would destroy him 1st round exposed yourself ,showing you don't watch full matches follower,that's the real ray in that video and he looks like a novice compared to those 70s guys let alone people even more advanced then those guys in 90s

Even roy in his pro debut would destroy ray this is cause he was way more advanced
 
and ray would lose 1st round you idiot way to outdated try watching full rounds

You really need to upgrade your posting ability. So far you've labeled 6 posters as "wacko" and 3 as either "idiot" or "looney idiot" and that is all in a total of a dozen posts.

I figure you're either around 12 or starting to have Alzheimer's and don't know how to respond in a civil manner without insulting people.
 
and no the quote of he wasn't in his prime doesn't matter cause even hw in their prime during that time we have video of and they made the same outdated techniques and flaws they look horrible so no ray would never win you looney idiot

Roy would destroy him 1st round exposed yourself ,showing you don't watch full matches follower,that's the real ray in that video and he looks like a novice compared to those 70s guys let alone people even more advanced then those guys in 90s

Even roy in his pro debut would destroy ray this is cause he was way more advanced
Do you want to talk about boxing, or just troll? Or are you trying to show everyone that you don't know shit about boxing?
 
Shut up you xxxxxxx video shows ray and his whole era were novices compared to the average 70s fighter, just as I said full matches shows that era made mutiple mistakes and looked very outdated

So stop with your silly quotes as they mean nothing.

Easy there, pardner !

This is bordeline, but not acceptable language / conduct.
Please try to be more civil with your disagreements.

@Duo has a right to his opinion, and is genuinely contributing to the discussion.
He also explained his position in great detail, which I appreciate and find interesting.

You, on the other hand, could easily just dissappear (believe me on this) and no one would notice.

OK then ..........

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FWIW, I think SRR was absolutely the better boxer, but prime RJJ was a better athlete, and had a more diversified offense.
I wouldn't even TRY to pick a winner.
 
You really need to upgrade your posting ability. So far you've labeled 6 posters as "wacko" and 3 as either "idiot" or "looney idiot" and that is all in a total of a dozen posts.

I figure you're around 12 AND starting to have Alzheimer's and, "Don't know the manners of good society, eh? Well I guess I know you well enough to turn you inside out, old gal --- you sockdologizing old man-trap!"

Fixed...(It HAD to be done!)...


@Cableaddict
 
Easy there, pardner !

This is bordeline, but not acceptable language / conduct.
Please try to be more civil with your disagreements.

@Duo has a right to his opinion, and is genuinely contributing to the discussion.
He also explained his position in great detail, which I appreciate and find interesting.

You, on the other hand, could easily just dissappear (believe me on this) and no one would notice.

OK then ..........

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FWIW, I think SRR was absolutely the better boxer, but prime RJJ was a better athlete, and had a more diversified offense.
I wouldn't even TRY to pick a winner.
I don't deal with lies only video proof and It's no video of anybody from that era being as advanced as the average fighter roy fought-70s as my videos shows,

no full rounds show anybody from that era as advanced they all horrible my video Is there showing it how Is full rounds how each era round fought wrong?

so no he or no one has any right to make a fighter better than video shows thats clearly insane behavior,and it's obvious roy would destroy him,his 2nd match was with a man way more advanced than rays whole novice era
 
You really need to upgrade your posting ability. So far you've labeled 6 posters as "wacko" and 3 as either "idiot" or "looney idiot" and that is all in a total of a dozen posts.

I figure you're either around 12 or starting to have Alzheimer's and don't know how to respond in a civil manner without insulting people.
My vi
You really need to upgrade your posting ability. So far you've labeled 6 posters as "wacko" and 3 as either "idiot" or "looney idiot" and that is all in a total of a dozen posts.

I figure you're either around 12 or starting to have Alzheimer's and don't know how to respond in a civil manner without insulting people.
and no the quote of he wasn't in his prime doesn't matter cause even hw in their prime during that time we have video of and they made the same outdated techniques and flaws they look horrible
 
I don't deal with lies only video proof and It's no video of anybody from that era being as advanced as the average fighter roy fought-70s as my videos shows,


You've stated an opinion, not "proof." Frankly I don't see this when watching videos of past-era boxers. If anything, quite the contrary. They seem tougher, overall, and more aggressive. - Even given the fact that championship fights were 15 rounds. And they show skills that most modern boxers haven't mastered, such as complex feints, three-punch combos, pull counters, etc.

If you want to claim there is proof that they were lesser skilled, then how about giving us some examples? Then MAYBE you might have a valid point.
Otherwise you're just blowing farts.
 
You've stated an opinion, not "proof." Frankly I don't see this when watching videos of past-era boxers. If anything, quite the contrary. They seem tougher, overall, and more aggressive. - Even given the fact that championship fights were 15 rounds. And they show skills that most modern boxers haven't mastered, such as complex feints, three-punch combos, pull counters, etc.

If you want to claim there is proof that they were lesser skilled, then how about giving us some examples? Then MAYBE you might have a valid point.
Otherwise you're just blowing farts.
So in that video you see the 30s-40s use as many angles/same technique/same fluidity/same amount of timing as 70s? Yes or no cause my video is posted and I'm talking on that only

which is full rounds,so your comment doesn't even make sense to my video,which isn't a opinion its what there and what's not in that specific video,so yes you see as I asked or no....

So no highlights/odd quotes/books doesn't work on me I only care as I said what's on video from full rounds I want a answer to my specific video please that's all
 
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