[Mrboogie23]

Any UFC champion is the champion of the world. They have a near-monopoly on the world's best fighters in every division, and nobody outside of their org has access to a strong enough pool of opponents to be considered more of The Man than his division's UFC kingpin. The only big-name guy who is percieved as a potential UFC champion who has never fought in the org, is Ben Askren. And his ONE FC pool of opponents is absolutely nothing compared to the monsters at the top of the UFC WW division. Rory McDonald is easily Bellator's highest-ranked guy, and he came up (juuuust) short in his UFC title shot last year.

Also McGregor in particular has a lot of power over choosing his own opponents. FAR more than basically any other UFC fighter.

:hat

Bullshit, there are loads of other fighters in other companies that are skilled.

 

[thehook13]

Saw Arum Cooney and Mosley promoting the UFC on the weekend. maybe more boxers.

 

[Mexi-Box]

Saw Arum Cooney and Mosley promoting the UFC on the weekend. maybe more boxers.

I saw my Twitter feed, and they had Jhonny Gonzalez at one of their shows.

 

[Thomas Crewz]

Saw Arum Cooney and Mosley promoting the UFC on the weekend. maybe more boxers.

Exactly. And look at how Dana White praises GGG. The two sports can easily feed off each other.

Its boxing in the US that is broken

 

[Oli]

Boxing is more or less finished. Just doesn't have the credibility or wow factor it once had. It has become a parody of itself.

There is simply no value in boxing for the fan. Nothing in it. It doesn't offer anything anymore.

The only fans it has these days are those who liked boxing from back in the day like most of us. But even many of us are turned off now.

The UFC is what's poppin in this day and age. Product, Value, excitement, marketability, credibility. The UFC has it all. Boxing is more or less redundant.

 

[Bogotazo]

There is simply no value in boxing for the fan. Nothing in it. It doesn't offer anything anymore.

If you actually like the art of boxing itself there obviously is

I can agree with all the arguments about better organization and brand marketing, but there will always be a market for those who prefer the aesthetics and mechanics of boxing. The distribution of the product doesn't say anything about the inherent quality of the product, which comes down to preference and taste.

 

[Mrboogie23]

Boxing is more or less finished. Just doesn't have the credibility or wow factor it once had. It has become a parody of itself.

There is simply no value in boxing for the fan. Nothing in it. It doesn't offer anything anymore.

The only fans it has these days are those who liked boxing from back in the day like most of us. But even many of us are turned off now.

The UFC is what's poppin in this day and age. Product, Value, excitement, marketability, credibility. The UFC has it all. Boxing is more or less redundant.

I disagree, I prefer boxing. I watch MMA, but I'd rather watch a boxing match. The technique displayed in boxing appeals to me more. It's more aesthetically pleasing in my eyes. I enjoy MMA, I enjoy boxing more.

 

[Oli]

If you actually like the art of boxing itself there obviously is

I can agree with all the arguments about better organization and brand marketing, but there will always be a market for those who prefer the aesthetics and mechanics of boxing. The distribution of the product doesn't say anything about the inherent quality of the product, which comes down to preference and taste.

I would have agreed but massive let downs in the fights that actually do get made have changed my opinion on it.

For instance the upcoming Ward vs Kovalev is going to be a shit ass fight. That is gunna be boring as fuck with no real drama most likely. At least that's my prediction anyway. And if it comes true il just think "ah well I'm used to this now". More often than not these days I sit through a lot of boxing wanting it to be over rather being engrossed in it.

I watched the UFC at the weekend was couldn't take my eyes off any of it. And that included women fighting! For fucks sake. You simply get what you want in UFC.. an action packed fight between two good fighters both with a chance of winning. Can you say that for boxing these days?

 

[Oli]

I disagree, I prefer boxing. I watch MMA, but I'd rather watch a boxing match. The technique displayed in boxing appeals to me more. It's more aesthetically pleasing in my eyes. I enjoy MMA, I enjoy boxing more.

Fair enough mate and even up to a year ago I'd have said the same as you. It pains me to see how far boxing has fallen. Iv followed the sport for nearly 24 years and never imagined myself saying what I'm saying now.

 

[Mexi-Box]

Fair enough mate and even up to a year ago I'd have said the same as you. It pains me to see how far boxing has fallen. Iv followed the sport for nearly 24 years and never imagined myself saying what I'm saying now.

Well, you have the triumvirate at 130: Salido, Vargas, and Miura. They seem keen on beating the absolute shit out of one another for the next few years :lol:.

 

[Zopilote]

Well, you have the triumvirate at 130: Salido, Vargas, and Miura. They seem keen on beating the absolute shit out of one another for the next few years :lol:.

130lbs is fucking hot right now..

Great division to follow right now.

 

[Mrboogie23]

Fair enough mate and even up to a year ago I'd have said the same as you. It pains me to see how far boxing has fallen. Iv followed the sport for nearly 24 years and never imagined myself saying what I'm saying now.

I hear ya, I enjoy MMA. I've done BJJ. My brother got a bronze in BJJ at the pan am games. My family has all rolled a bit, but my family also loves boxing more. Just the mastery of striking, it looks better in my opinion.

 

[Oli]

I hear ya, I enjoy MMA. I've done BJJ. My brother got a bronze in BJJ at the pan am games. My family has all rolled a bit, but my family also loves boxing more. Just the mastery of striking, it looks better in my opinion.

Ironically enough good strikers are my favourite style of MMA fighters. That and Kickboxers/Muay Thai MMA guys. Wrestlers and submission artists are much less my style.

But I'm relatively new to the sport and it has taken hold of me in a way that boxing has failed to do for some time now.

 

[Mrboogie23]

Ironically enough good strikers are my favourite style of MMA fighters. That and Kickboxers/Muay Thai MMA guys. Wrestlers and submission artists are much less my style.

But I'm relatively new to the sport and it has taken hold of me in a way that boxing has failed to do for some time now.

I hear ya, I agree about the strikers in MMA. I'd rather watch a good striker than a wrestler/grappler any day. Following along those same lines is why I'd rather watch boxing. Just better hand striking technique overall. Granted some of the boxing techniques aren't suitable for an MMA fight but I'd still rather watch a master boxing, infighter like Toney go to work than someone in a Thai clinch.

 

[Bogotazo]

I would have agreed but massive let downs in the fights that actually do get made have changed my opinion on it.

For instance the upcoming Ward vs Kovalev is going to be a shit ass fight. That is gunna be boring as fuck with no real drama most likely. At least that's my prediction anyway. And if it comes true il just think "ah well I'm used to this now". More often than not these days I sit through a lot of boxing wanting it to be over rather being engrossed in it.

I watched the UFC at the weekend was couldn't take my eyes off any of it. And that included women fighting! For fucks sake. You simply get what you want in UFC.. an action packed fight between two good fighters both with a chance of winning. Can you say that for boxing these days?

It's high-level boxing between two undefeated top pound for pound fighters. Even if the outcome isn't dramatic and exciting, it's going to be high level and display skill that not everyone (that probably no one today, in fact) can emulate. That's enough for me. Shutting down a skilled and devastating puncher like Kovalev, if that's what Ward ends up doing, has to be done with elite level timing, precision, and versatility. That's just one but an important side of the beauty of boxing.

If you're asking if boxing has delivered any wars lately, then sure. LSC-Frampton, Salido-Vargas, Thurman-Porter, Gonzales-Cuadras, Vargas-Ali, GGG-Brook, JSK-Kamegai were all entertaining fights. Despite this being one of boxing's worst years.

If you just want action then yeah, UFC is definitely the place to go. The wild swings and lack of defense ensure anyone throwing hands is going to get clocked.

 

[Haggis]

Bullshit, there are loads of other fighters in other companies that are skilled.

Skilled sure, but take a look at the p4p lists, or the rankings irrespective of orgs. 90% plus of the elite are signed with the UFC.

And nobody can build a good enough resume outside of the UFC to be considered The Man. The onus is always on a Bellator champion to cross over and prove himself against his division's UFC champion, not the other way round. :good

:hat

 

[Haggis]

If you just want action then yeah, UFC is definitely the place to go. The wild swings and lack of defense ensure anyone throwing hands is going to get clocked.

:lol:

And the 4 ounce gloves, and the multiple other avenues of attack to have to defend against.

Plus, there is plenty of top-shelf striking in the UFC, both offensive and defensive. Watch Jose Aldo vs Frankie Edgar, Aldo puts on a counterstriking masterclass against a high-volume, technically-sound pressure fighter. I don't understand how anybody can be a striking fan and turn his nose up at fights like Wonderboy-Hendricks, Lawler-McDonald, Joanna-Claudia etc. It just seems like snobbishness and insecurity to me. :conf

:hat

 

[Haggis]

Boxing is more or less finished. Just doesn't have the credibility or wow factor it once had. It has become a parody of itself.

There is simply no value in boxing for the fan. Nothing in it. It doesn't offer anything anymore.

The only fans it has these days are those who liked boxing from back in the day like most of us. But even many of us are turned off now.

The UFC is what's poppin in this day and age. Product, Value, excitement, marketability, credibility. The UFC has it all. Boxing is more or less redundant.

American young guys who are becoming combat sports fans now, aren't becoming boxing fans. Why would they? Boxing doesn't give a single fuck about them as fans.

:hat

 

[KOTF]

UFC has a great ranking system and they are the only premier sanctioning body of MMA. The only way it can fracture and make it resemble something like boxing is if stars like McGregor and a returning Rousey (who would hypothetically beat Nunes) decided to dump the UFC belts in the trash and jump to Bellator :lol:

 

[Oli]

It's high-level boxing between two undefeated top pound for pound fighters. Even if the outcome isn't dramatic and exciting, it's going to be high level and display skill that not everyone (that probably no one today, in fact) can emulate. That's enough for me. Shutting down a skilled and devastating puncher like Kovalev, if that's what Ward ends up doing, has to be done with elite level timing, precision, and versatility. That's just one but an important side of the beauty of boxing.

If you're asking if boxing has delivered any wars lately, then sure. LSC-Frampton, Salido-Vargas, Thurman-Porter, Gonzales-Cuadras, Vargas-Ali, GGG-Brook, JSK-Kamegai were all entertaining fights. Despite this being one of boxing's worst years.

If you just want action then yeah, UFC is definitely the place to go. The wild swings and lack of defense ensure anyone throwing hands is going to get clocked.

I think that's an oversimplification of the truth mate.