Mentioned after his fight last night that he wants to fight for the WBC belt, likely he gets a shot at the winner of Wilder Vs Fury? Perhaps his next fight might be a final eliminator with Breazeale?
Could Adam Kownacki be Tyson Fury's first defence?
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Mentioned after his fight last night that he wants to fight for the WBC belt, likely he gets a shot at the winner of Wilder Vs Fury? Perhaps his next fight might be a final eliminator with Breazeale?
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Once again Wilders pathetic resume takes a knock. Artur Szpilka the chinny pole goes 10 with Wilder and is winning the fight before getting knocked out, Kownacki murders him in 3 short rounds. Gerald Washington goes 8 and is once again winning when his chinny arse gets knocked out. Kownacki annihilates him inside 6 minutes. Charles fucking Martin , the heavyweight punchline for the last 3 years actually took him the distance and almost knocked him out in the last few rounds, in ten years time Wilders record will age horribly thanks to his pathetic matchmaking
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Szpilka went life and death with Mike Mollo TWICE! who had him chickendancing and floored him with a slap to the neck, there are no hoops people won't jump through to defend this guys objectively horrible matchmaking. Szpilka was never going to be the same? As if he had any good pedigree before the Wilder fight? HE was never a durable fighter and was certainly never a world class one, even in todays shit division. Washington was a good fighter Wilder ruined? Washington is a football player who has had 3 fights at world level and got knocked out in all 3, the only fight he won a single round in was against Wilder who he was beating (outjabbing him too ffs), I'd say the same thing about artur Szpilka, the only time has ever looked decent was fighting Wilder . You'd have a hard argument to make that Wilder ruined Martin when it was Joshua who knocked the fuck out of Martin in 2 rounds, not Wilder.
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Calm down mate, I'm not particularly a Wilder fan, I was merely stating the counter argument his fans would predictably offer.
I take your point about Martin, didn't read your post properly, apologies.
All I will say is; at least Wilder is fighting and defending his title (not getting fat and wallowing in self pity for three years)
He did beat the divisions bogey man (Ortiz)
And you seem to forget that Mike Mollo does have a win over Kevin McBride.
I take your point about Martin, didn't read your post properly, apologies.
All I will say is; at least Wilder is fighting and defending his title (not getting fat and wallowing in self pity for three years)
He did beat the divisions bogey man (Ortiz)
And you seem to forget that Mike Mollo does have a win over Kevin McBride.
I think you are in the majority rather than the minority Kraken. Most posters on two forums take your stance on Wilder. That is, in my opinion,undersestimating him.
As Pigg points out, he beat Ortiz,who in turn I think is underrated. Also maybe Wilder DOES tend to ruin people as he also says. He seems to have the knack of pulling fights out of the bag, like he almost did with Fury. Im far from a Wilder fan. In fact I tipped Fury to beat him by knockout.
The real test of Wilders worth will come if and when he rematches Fury. Then and only then will we know where he stands as a champion. So far he's not done too badly.
Does that make Wilder the lineal champion?? McBride beat the undisputed champion.
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I thInk Ortiz is overrated that's why I picked Wilder to beat him, he's 50 years old and his feet are slower than Valuevs( Watch the Scott fight, as negative as scott fights, any heavyweight with feet quicker than a statue can catch up to him and make him quit,tried to dive for Ortiz like he did for Wilder then CHANGED HIS MIND MID FIGHT!!), and his insistance on not fighting the way a southpaw should (A supposedly elite level amateur cuban) led to him getting knocked out by the crudest champion in the sport.
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BUT Ortiz is still a good win, and he showed good heart in that fight, no I'm not determined to shoot down anything positive Wilder has ever done, but yes I have huge criticisms about his career management (in a sense, more safe matchmaking) and how good he is
Now for a while I've been saying Wilders power is overrated, and people think that makes me a hater because he lays guys out all over the place, yet not for the first time here is one of them getting flattened far easier by another, less experienced opponent. His matchmaking contributes to this and I kind of expected more astute fans not to fall for it so easily but I still see them calling him the most dangerous man on the planet yet he has never, ever knocked out a fighter who is known for durability.
Now for a while I've been saying Wilders power is overrated, and people think that makes me a hater because he lays guys out all over the place, yet not for the first time here is one of them getting flattened far easier by another, less experienced opponent. His matchmaking contributes to this and I kind of expected more astute fans not to fall for it so easily but I still see them calling him the most dangerous man on the planet yet he has never, ever knocked out a fighter who is known for durability.
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Im not using Mollo just to say Szpilka is shit just that they definately showed he was chinny before fighting Wilder, a nothing punch had him dancing everywhere, bet your ass they took that into consideration when they matched him with Wilder, still took him 10 bloody rounds to get rid of him
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I'm baling out now mate, you're obviously more passionate/informed about this than I am.
By the way I don't like your avatar, the Kraken pie I suggested to you years ago is loads better ...
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Kownacki is absolutely shocking, id pick Miller to beat him and Miller is terrible too
Kownacki managed to beat Washington faster than Wilder because Kownacki is a brawler Wilder isnt, until Miller and Kownacki face a Pulev, Parker, Whyte, Ortiz or Povetkin they dont deserve a world title shot and both of them would lose to all of them guys, you cant just walk forward against world class opponents and big hitters they would get taken out, Ortiz could lose from getting old though
Kownacki managed to beat Washington faster than Wilder because Kownacki is a brawler Wilder isnt, until Miller and Kownacki face a Pulev, Parker, Whyte, Ortiz or Povetkin they dont deserve a world title shot and both of them would lose to all of them guys, you cant just walk forward against world class opponents and big hitters they would get taken out, Ortiz could lose from getting old though
Ortiz WILL lose from getting old. No doubt about it, if he carries on long enough. It happened to Sonny Liston. He'd have murdered Leotis Martin a few years previously. But so far it hasn't happened. Since fighting Wilder he has stopped a boxer who has just gone 12 rounds with Nathan Gorman and also a proven tough fringe heavyweight.
I take your pint about Kownacki though. He's the worst heavyweight boxer I think I've ever seen at top level. But as I keep saying, he must be a very very hard man. This will only take him so far, but he IS a heavyweight where it takes you farther than other divisions. I thin k Miller is a different kettle of fish. Bigger and a better boxer than Kownacki. Similar in that he takes a good punch, but not the same tendency to cut. Which at top level will contribute to Kownackis undoing.
Ive never called Wilder a master boxer Kraken. Thats why he was made to look so bad by Fury. But he's certainly not the worst in the division. As for Scott,whatever anybody says he was a fast, clever boxer when he fought Ortiz.
Dunno what you think of Fury,but he was ALMOST knocked out by Wilder.
Not that it matters but watch Fury get in the ring, and then watch Ortiz Then tell me who's 50 years old.
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Yes looks like the Fury of the aborted Haye fights. I said at the time he'd knock Haye out and beat everybody else. After his December performance no need to change that.![Image]()
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The undefeated contender is a fighter to keep an eye on. The question is who should he take on next? He isn't quite ready just yet for a title shot but he's close.
So who exactly should he take on next to take another step towards landing that title shot he's calling for? Take a look at who we feel are the next best options for Kownackis next fight.
Joseph Parker
Joseph Parker (25-2, 19 KOs) has fallen on hard times as of late. Just as recent as last year he was the undefeated WBO champion. Fast forward one year later and he no longer carries around that title nor does he sport that undefeated record. Back to back losses to Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte is nothing to be ashamed of but he needs a win over a good opponent.
Adam Kownacki has fought decent competition up to this point in his career but none come close to the calibre of Parker. Not only does he have good boxing ability and more than respectable power but he showed in both his fights against Joshua and Whyte that you'll need to hit him with a Mack truck in order to put him down and out.
In short, Kownacki won't find an easy opponent in Parker. Both of these guys need each other at this point in their careers. A win for either guy can vault them to the next in line for a title shot.
Alexander Povetkin
Sure Alexander Povetkin (34-2, 24 KOs) was knocked out in his last bout when he challenged current unified champion Anthony Joshua but he is still one of the very best in the Heavyweight division. Even with Povetkin getting a bit long in the tooth at age 39 he can still cause major problems for Kownacki if they ever found themselves matched up.
Povetkin has only lost to some of the very best in Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. If Kownacki not only scored a victory over Povetkin but did so in devastating fashion that would present him with the biggest win in his career.
Luis Ortiz
If Kownacki truly wants to show that he should be mentioned as a serious title threat than a matchup with Luis Ortiz (30-1, 26 KOs) is what he should be aiming for. Ortiz lone blemish on his record came via tenth round stoppage at the hands of WBC champion Deontay Wilder. In that fight Ortiz gave Wilder all he can handle, proving that not only is he a great boxer but that he is also one helluva puncher as he had Wilder seriously hurt several times throughout the contest.
A win over Ortiz will grab the attention of everyone in the division. Kownacki has been able to mow down his competition thus far. Ortiz on the other hand would be a completely different story. If Kownacki wants to be next in line for a title shot than a win over Ortiz can provide him with just that.
So who exactly should he take on next to take another step towards landing that title shot he's calling for? Take a look at who we feel are the next best options for Kownackis next fight.
Joseph Parker
Joseph Parker (25-2, 19 KOs) has fallen on hard times as of late. Just as recent as last year he was the undefeated WBO champion. Fast forward one year later and he no longer carries around that title nor does he sport that undefeated record. Back to back losses to Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte is nothing to be ashamed of but he needs a win over a good opponent.
Adam Kownacki has fought decent competition up to this point in his career but none come close to the calibre of Parker. Not only does he have good boxing ability and more than respectable power but he showed in both his fights against Joshua and Whyte that you'll need to hit him with a Mack truck in order to put him down and out.
In short, Kownacki won't find an easy opponent in Parker. Both of these guys need each other at this point in their careers. A win for either guy can vault them to the next in line for a title shot.
Alexander Povetkin
Sure Alexander Povetkin (34-2, 24 KOs) was knocked out in his last bout when he challenged current unified champion Anthony Joshua but he is still one of the very best in the Heavyweight division. Even with Povetkin getting a bit long in the tooth at age 39 he can still cause major problems for Kownacki if they ever found themselves matched up.
Povetkin has only lost to some of the very best in Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. If Kownacki not only scored a victory over Povetkin but did so in devastating fashion that would present him with the biggest win in his career.
Luis Ortiz
If Kownacki truly wants to show that he should be mentioned as a serious title threat than a matchup with Luis Ortiz (30-1, 26 KOs) is what he should be aiming for. Ortiz lone blemish on his record came via tenth round stoppage at the hands of WBC champion Deontay Wilder. In that fight Ortiz gave Wilder all he can handle, proving that not only is he a great boxer but that he is also one helluva puncher as he had Wilder seriously hurt several times throughout the contest.
A win over Ortiz will grab the attention of everyone in the division. Kownacki has been able to mow down his competition thus far. Ortiz on the other hand would be a completely different story. If Kownacki wants to be next in line for a title shot than a win over Ortiz can provide him with just that.
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AH yes my friend!!!! It is indeed yourself!I'm baling out now mate, you're obviously more passionate/informed about this than I am.
By the way I don't like your avatar, the Kraken pie I suggested to you years ago is loads better ...
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