@Rooq, I have made a cock up, I am hoping you can help me out and put it right please.

I have just opened a new gym "Rodrigo Navar's Gimnasio de boxeo", I have accidentally opened it in Argentina when it should have been Guadalajara, Mexico. Is there anyway this can be changed please. Sorry to be a nuisance.

 

Wowzers... At one stage I had aspirations to get to world level, host PPVs etc. but now I'm thinking a simple continental belt is absolutely fine for me! It's like a full time job managing and promoting ha!

As a side query, I've just set up my first gym. Any idea how long it takes for fighters to start trickling through?

 

6 months for the first one then every 4 months after that I think. I've had 8 gym fighters turn pro now and they've all been terrible. One of these days though...

 

@Rooq will a PPV work if the headliner has to go through purse bids?

its not supposed to...

 

:lol: loving the measured response!

 

Does anyone else feel that there's too much weighting given to home fighters? I just lost another title (South America super bantamweight), having sent my guy on the away card (so he was an Argentinian fighting in Brazil) and he lost 116 - 112 116 - 113 116 - 113 despite outlanding the guy 120-95:

Fight Statistics
Espindola:
Total Punches Thrown: 345
Total Punches Landed: 95
Total Head Shots Thrown: 253
Total Head Shots Landed: 67
Total Body Shots Thrown: 92
Total Body Shots Landed: 28
Total Power Shots Thrown: 318
Total Power Shots Landed: 92
Total Jabs Thrown: 27
Total Jabs Landed: 3

Gloria:
Total Punches Thrown: 433
Total Punches Landed: 120
Total Head Shots Thrown: 374
Total Head Shots Landed: 102
Total Body Shots Thrown: 59
Total Body Shots Landed: 18
Total Power Shots Thrown: 327
Total Power Shots Landed: 89
Total Jabs Thrown: 106
Total Jabs Landed: 31

I don't mind losing, but basically I win all my home fights and lose all my away fights. It is putting me off accepting away offers to be honest, which is a shame. But I have lost so many titles recently I either have to give up or stop the rot, and can't see another way to stop the rot other than to stop sending my fighters away. Interested to hear others' thoughts.

 

Does anyone else feel that there's too much weighting given to home fighters? I just lost another title (South America super bantamweight), having sent my guy on the away card (so he was an Argentinian fighting in Brazil) and he lost 116 - 112 116 - 113 116 - 113 despite outlanding the guy 120-95:

Fight Statistics
Espindola:
Total Punches Thrown: 345
Total Punches Landed: 95
Total Head Shots Thrown: 253
Total Head Shots Landed: 67
Total Body Shots Thrown: 92
Total Body Shots Landed: 28
Total Power Shots Thrown: 318
Total Power Shots Landed: 92
Total Jabs Thrown: 27
Total Jabs Landed: 3

Gloria:
Total Punches Thrown: 433
Total Punches Landed: 120
Total Head Shots Thrown: 374
Total Head Shots Landed: 102
Total Body Shots Thrown: 59
Total Body Shots Landed: 18
Total Power Shots Thrown: 327
Total Power Shots Landed: 89
Total Jabs Thrown: 106
Total Jabs Landed: 31

I don't mind losing, but basically I win all my home fights and lose all my away fights. It is putting me off accepting away offers to be honest, which is a shame. But I have lost so many titles recently I either have to give up or stop the rot, and can't see another way to stop the rot other than to stop sending my fighters away. Interested to hear others' thoughts.

reading through round by round, that was a very close fight though.
Round1: clear Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)
Round2: narrowly Espindola (more power shots) (judges scored to Espindola)
Round3: Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round4: Gloria (judges scored to Espindola)
Round5: Clear Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round6: Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)
Round7: even - less power shots but more jabs (judges scored to Espindola)
Round8: clear Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round9: Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round10: Clear Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)
Round11: Gloria (1 even and 2 to Espindola)
Round12: Clear Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)

so really, there was only Round 4, 7 and 11 where the judges gave the benefit of the doubt to the home fighter.

one thing to note about scoring, and something often forgotten, is that judges have different preference for style as well. You have some judges who award more points for defensive work so someone landing more but also missing a lot more may end up on the wrong side of a decision.

 

Okay, thanks for that. I do seem to be on the receiving end of away losses a lot, so think maybe I just happened to pick a bad example, but fair enough. Thanks for taking the time.

While I have you, don't know if it's going to glitch, but I have a show in Cuba on 05/12 which is showing a fight still vs TBA, but within my fighter's screen the fight offer has been accepted and is scheduled (I had a message saying fight accepted but deleted it before I realised that the show screen hadn't updated). It's this one:

Melendez is my chap, Sanzo is an AI punchbag to give my man a runout. He's going to earn those 1900rq the hard way.

 

So I had a fighter with four belts, with two mandatories due close together, but one of them was another of my fighters. I vacated a belt to him, then set a unification fight, in order to keep the belts together (one advantage of this game over real life is that there are more clear champions, rather than just umpteen alphabet titles) and do the other mandatory next (the mandatories on the other two belts were many months away). Except I still got stripped of the other original mandatory belt. Is there a rule, @Rooq, that inhouse unifications don't push back mandatory dates?

 

I can't remember

Thinking about it, in house fights are treated a bit differently in that they get auto accepted. Maybe the code which pushes the dates back doesn't get called.

Or maybe it's something which got put in when you had players like Wallet holding onto titles indefinitely by making consecutive in house unification.

I'll try having a look later.

 

Sorry you feel that way. However, you have not been singled out by the game for unfair treatment. Any issues you have faced will have also been faced by any of the top players.

There is a lot wrong with this game and for that I can only apologise. I am working hard on the next game and trying to make sure the wrongs from this version are not an issue. So your rants are helpful as I can add it to the list of things which piss players off and address it v2.

 

First up, you have nothing to apologise for, so please don't. You have created an amazing, addictive game from a standing start which does 99.99% of things brilliantly. So much so, in fact, then when one of us occasionally blunders across an element which isn't up to that standard we raise it with you as it is so unusual. I am personally enormously grateful to you for the hours of enjoyment you have given me through launching this game, particularly having done it at a time when I am at home in a combination of childcare/running existing businesses/starting new business, rather than being out working for an employer, as much like my career the game works enormously well around real life, if one has a setup which permits dipping in and out. So no need whatsoever to apologise - I should apologise to you for only throwing in money from time to time, these days, as other issues have distracted me. We have a couple of severe family illnesses going on at the moment and my wife has even remarked 'thank goodness for Rooq Boxing giving you an outlet!' So you're folklore, here, and folklore doesn't apologise. It just is.

Secondly, I don't feel at all singled out, so I apologise if I gave that impression. It's frustrating that now that I have hit the multiple belt end of the game I am tripping over the various issues. Good for you, not so good for my stable. But I don't feel picked on.

I am very glad that this stuff surfaces issues, thereby helping the development of v2.0.

I will definitely sign up for v2.0 when it launches - I lead a very stable life, these days, and can guarantee I'll be around and very active. I am just considering stepping out of v1.5 - I have achieved all the things I wanted to (four belt champ, PPV, P4P #1, sell out the biggest venue, as well as myriad much-less-obvious-and-meaningful-to-anyone-but-me targets at a much more parochial level. So given that my favourite fighters are losing belts through glitches, and I am increasingly finding it hard to make fights with others, maybe the universe is telling me that my time here is done. Even if I stop - and I'll think hard - I'd still run a smaller, new promotion, back on v1.0, to keep my eye in and top up your v2.0 development fund from time to time.

Anyway, thanks for the response, apologies for the rant, and while I'd love this to be fixed I know that it most likely won't be possible. At least we all still know who the #1 v1.5 heavyweight is, even if his time holding all the belts was sadly brief.

 

reading through round by round, that was a very close fight though.
Round1: clear Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)
Round2: narrowly Espindola (more power shots) (judges scored to Espindola)
Round3: Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round4: Gloria (judges scored to Espindola)
Round5: Clear Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round6: Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)
Round7: even - less power shots but more jabs (judges scored to Espindola)
Round8: clear Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round9: Gloria (judges scored to Gloria)
Round10: Clear Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)
Round11: Gloria (1 even and 2 to Espindola)
Round12: Clear Espindola (judges scored to Espindola)

so really, there was only Round 4, 7 and 11 where the judges gave the benefit of the doubt to the home fighter.

one thing to note about scoring, and something often forgotten, is that judges have different preference for style as well. You have some judges who award more points for defensive work so someone landing more but also missing a lot more may end up on the wrong side of a decision.

Just in the same vein - just sent Rehman Alli, my (now former) West Asia welterweight champ away, faced his mandatory on a Razor card, as he made a good offer and I like to send half my fights away if possible to keep the game flowing, my man barely won a round, despite outthrowing, outlanding and on paper it being at least a very even fight. I'm not asking for another round by round analysis, I understand, and I'm not cross (more jaded) but I thought you would be interested in this @Rooq in the context of seeing what the game throws up. I'm afraid that if I do stick around I will simply adopt an attitude of 'if you can't beat them, join them' and start turning down fight offers on away cards. I often feel (despite the bile from some quarters) that I am in a minority of players who send fighters away to keep the game flowing, yet it costs us dear in terms of losses and titles and when we seek the same favours back they are simply not forthcoming. So I'm afraid I'm at the very least joining the gits and resisting sending fighters away. It's either that or apply for my charity registration number.

 

I won't do a rbr analysis, but just looking at the totals you can see your man landed less power shots which are worth more to judges than jabs. In fact jabs only register if they are good enough to warrant a mention in the fight report.

The basic pawing jabs not mentioned in the report but included in the fight stats do not contribute to scoring.

And anyway, doesn't the scoring with the home fighter getting the benefit of the doubt reflect real life? Particularly with recent UK fights....


Edit : BTW, I do intend to make jabs more effective in v2. That has been an issue for some time

 

I won't do a rbr analysis, but just looking at the totals you can see your man landed less power shots which are worth more to judges than jabs. In fact jabs only register if they are good enough to warrant a mention in the fight report.

The basic pawing jabs not mentioned in the report but included in the fight stats do not contribute to scoring.

And anyway, doesn't the scoring with the home fighter getting the benefit of the doubt reflect real life? Particularly with recent UK fights....

I'm a romantic, I prefer real life to be more Kell Brook-Sean Porter than Robin Reid-Sven Ottke!

But if the game is accurate enough to favour the home card fighter that clearly (and on the previous example, assuming you're right and that 'only' three rounds were affected, that is still a third of the fight), then perhaps in the context of the game that is taking realism a step too far. There is already an income advantage to promoters in hosting fights, so for the most part only the wealthy are willing to part with hosting with any frequency. If there is also a much-increased danger of losing, then it might be that that simply locks the game down further, which would be to the detriment of all. So perhaps, for game flow reasons (along similar lines as, for instance, whatever my real-life prowess with a gun, it comes nowhere near to my accuracy levels on various XBox titles) maybe judging should be fair wherever, with hosts being content simply to coin in the money?

Just a thought, and not well thought through, yet, and I might well be in the minority, but I for one will now be very loathe to send fighters away, which in game terms is not a positive step if it takes hold, imho.

Thanks for the response, as ever.

 

BTW I have been on the wrong side of home decisions as well, but they just make the few away wins more sweet.

 

:lol: sadly, I lose three in a row away, then on the fourth I win but am stripped after the event so end up thinking I should simply have taken the money rather than go for the belts! Sorry to sound (almost) as jaded as Robert Vaughan in The Magnificent Seven. Actually, this is the face I pull, these days, on reading fight reports:

 

Has the end of day processing got stuck?

 

Hi rooq one of my fights appears to have glitched out. In the fight report there's no descriptions in any of the rounds and the judges don't appear to be able to count.

The promotion's Rourke and Salvador and the fight was Cedillo vs Garcia

Thanks

 

Hi rooq one of my fights appears to have glitched out. In the fight report there's no descriptions in any of the rounds and the judges don't appear to be able to count.

The promotion's Rourke and Salvador and the fight was Cedillo vs Garcia

Thanks

I think that fight caused a failure earlier...no idea why. You will notice it simulated twice - first time was a MD and second was a win for Cedillo.

Fight report can't be recovered unfortunately.

 

@fehtuh thanks, you've helped identify the issue. it causes fight simulation to fail when you have a combined eliminator/mandatory which ends in a draw. hopefully sorted it now so shouldnt happen again

 

Yeah I noticed the second fight result just after I posted. Glad to help. No biggie about the report, I'm just glad they don't have rematch.

 

Hi all,

Just a quick query on rankings. My man Rabbani has worked his way up into the top 10 across the board for the World rankings, but is now "finding it tough to make Lightweight". I'm not sure how long he has left in the division and he may not get a shot at world honors in this division.

If he were to step up, is it a case of working his way up through the rankings again, would he be ranked pretty low in the division?

 

Afternoon,

No, give it until the next rankings update and he should be highly ranked at light welter. I have had world champs move up and be immediately in the top ten post-update, but also non-titlists get a good ranking. So he will be back quickly.

Incidentally, following a few title losses owing to politics rather than fighting, I'm closing down at least one promotion, so Sebastian Tombs is going. Just can't find the love in my old quantities. Thanks for being a good sparring partner in the sandy parts of the world and good luck with Rabbani. Given he beat a quarter of my stable I'm hoping he goes on to great things!

 

@SimonTemplar
Erdine Sim has now won back to back world title fights on the road!

Have a dangerous mandatory next for one of the titles and then it will be time to take on your man.

 

@SimonTemplar
Erdine Sim has now won back to back world title fights on the road!

Have a dangerous mandatory next for one of the titles and then it will be time to take on your man.

Tio keep winning his tough fights and losing his more straightforward ones, promoting him is a roller coaster. If he were to beat Sim - tough, the way he's going - then he'd be promoted as a 'three time champion of the world'.

 

Unfortunately I might fall foul of my own games inflexibility with Mandatories. First one due is against someone who has been offline for a week. Hopefully he's just on hols and will be back to accept the offer. Otherwise it's purse bids and I'll have to choose between two titles. So there's a good chance Tio will become world champ via rooq trashcan..

 

Edit:

Does Medusa post on here, we have a world title pending...

 

@Rooq EOD processing has been stuck for quite a while I think, it was 17/12 last night and it still is now

 

@Rooq

For my London show I have a world title mando with Medusa's fighter, he hasnt logged on for a while, if he doesnt, will the fight get automatically accepted as its a world title fight??? Or will it go to purse bids???

http://www.rooqboxing.com/MemberPages/SelectedShow.aspx

 

I think if you're offering the fight more than two months out then it is supposed to accept it but it has only worked intermittently for me. But if you're putting together a show depending on an inactive promoter then you're risking destitution again, more cart before horse stuff.

 

@Rooq

the page is not recongised and i cant reach the page at the moment. is there something wrong or is it me?

thanks

 

@Rooq

For my London show I have a world title mando with Medusa's fighter, he hasnt logged on for a while, if he doesnt, will the fight get automatically accepted as its a world title fight??? Or will it go to purse bids???

http://www.rooqboxing.com/MemberPages/SelectedShow.aspx

It'll go through purse bids. The auto accept only works if you make the offer more than 8 weeks out from the fight, and the other promoter has been inactive for more than 3 game months for mandatories (6 months for regular fights). Medusa's only been inactive for a month and a half so it won't auto accept

 

Fck, I hope he signs in soon this game has really given me a couple left hooks lately...

 

@Rooq

the page is not recongised and i cant reach the page at the moment. is there something wrong or is it me?

thanks

Which page? Seems OK for me at the moment.

 

Hey, @Rooq. Currently running Touchstone in 1.5.

At the moment, one of my guys, Leo N'Dou, is set for an African eliminator. But the guy he's scheduled to face (Paul Tsabalala, a Free Agent who also happens to be his Uganda mando), is in purse bids for a local title. Any way that could be sorted, or do I lose the eliminator due to his inactivity?

 

Basically what will happen is that after the opponents purse bids go through on 09/01 and he has a date announced for that fight, he'll be stripped of his position in the African eliminator against your guy because he's taken a fight after the eliminator's cut off date. So your guy will just be given the mandatory position, and then you'll be able to probably make another fight before the mandatory is due, but you just need to make sure you don't make any fights for your guy until his opponent has been stripped

 

Sorry. Here's the guy in question.

http://www.rooqboxing.com/MemberPages/BoxerDetail.aspx